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Weekly US politics news and updates thread - week of November 4

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48 comments

  1. [43]
    kfwyre
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    Temperature check: how’s everybody feeling one day before Election Day?

    Temperature check: how’s everybody feeling one day before Election Day?

    19 votes
    1. [3]
      MimicSquid
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      Nauseous. Trying to keep moving, since I've done everything I can do and now I just get to wait and try not to look at the news or social media.

      Nauseous. Trying to keep moving, since I've done everything I can do and now I just get to wait and try not to look at the news or social media.

      19 votes
      1. [2]
        smoontjes
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        I definitely think it's best to not look. I'm not American though so it's easy for me to say, but it does seem like it would be a favour to yourself (and most people in this thread I think) for...

        I definitely think it's best to not look.

        I'm not American though so it's easy for me to say, but it does seem like it would be a favour to yourself (and most people in this thread I think) for your mental health. Check the news once or maybe twice per day at most. Being glued to the tv or online news feeds is not going to help, no matter what.

        3 votes
        1. MimicSquid
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          Yeah, absolutely. I'm spending my nervous energy cleaning my house. That way, regardless of what happens, I have a cleaner house.

          Yeah, absolutely. I'm spending my nervous energy cleaning my house. That way, regardless of what happens, I have a cleaner house.

          3 votes
    2. [3]
      jhombus
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      Surprisingly optimistic. Given that polls have been unreliable in aggregate in both 2016 and 2020, I'm trying to pay more attention to what I'm observing qualitatively this time around (which runs...

      Surprisingly optimistic. Given that polls have been unreliable in aggregate in both 2016 and 2020, I'm trying to pay more attention to what I'm observing qualitatively this time around (which runs counter to how I would normally approach this sort of thing).

      In 2016, it felt like polls were the only thing pointing to a decisive victory but the overall mood was terrible — very muted enthusiasm for Clinton, ridiculous controversy surrounding her in spite of her opponent's clear unfitness, and genuine excitement and momentum for Trump that we all willfully ignored.

      In 2020, there was excitement around getting Trump out of office, and Biden was the means to that end more than anything. I didn't sense any real enthusiasm for Biden specifically, but given the absolute fury over how the previous 4 years had been handled and the bungling of the COVID crisis, I wasn't surprised when Biden eked out a victory.

      This time around, between anger over the overturning of Roe, an outpouring of what feels like genuine adoration and support for Harris that I never felt for Clinton, solid rally attendance for Harris and dwindling attendance for Trump, and seemingly massive grassroots Dem fundraising and volunteering vs 2016 and 2020 (haven't looked at the data, so this is more of an impression) and absolutely abysmal ground game from the Trump campaign — the only thing that feels out of step with a Harris victory is the polls.

      So I'm opting to use the Selzer poll as a sign that the vibes I'm observing are real (I know that's just one state responding to a very specific situation) and assuming the best will happen until proven otherwise, rather than accepting the nailbiter scenario this time around.

      19 votes
      1. [2]
        fefellama
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        To add to your point: I've seen way more Harris yard signs this year than I saw Biden yard signs in 2020. My smallish suburban town is mostly red-leaning, and in 2020 there were scores of Trump...

        To add to your point: I've seen way more Harris yard signs this year than I saw Biden yard signs in 2020. My smallish suburban town is mostly red-leaning, and in 2020 there were scores of Trump signs all over the place and maybe 2 or 3 Biden ones. The Biden ones I distinctly remember because they caught me off guard, I actually remember thinking "oh wow a Biden sign" when my neighbor put one up. This year it's more like a 60-40 or maybe 70-30 split between Trump signs and Harris signs, which is a pretty stark difference.

        Not sure how it'll translate to votes, but it's in line with what you're saying.

        13 votes
        1. GravySleeve
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          Similar experience in my area, in 2016 there were caravans of trucks with huge Trump flags driving up and down the roads blaring their horns all day. Not this time, haven't seen one truck with...

          Similar experience in my area, in 2016 there were caravans of trucks with huge Trump flags driving up and down the roads blaring their horns all day. Not this time, haven't seen one truck with flags that I recall. There are still more Trump signs than Harris signs, but I also see more Harris signs than expected.

          3 votes
    3. smiles134
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      I feel awful. The Iowa poll gave me some optimism, but usually my mood swings from anxious to morose. I cannot believe this race is even close. I will never understand it.

      I feel awful. The Iowa poll gave me some optimism, but usually my mood swings from anxious to morose. I cannot believe this race is even close. I will never understand it.

      16 votes
    4. winther
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      I am Europaean, so really no direct legit stakes in this election, but the wider ramifications of a second Trump term just seems unfathomable. Especially on climate policy. It is weird that in...

      I am Europaean, so really no direct legit stakes in this election, but the wider ramifications of a second Trump term just seems unfathomable. Especially on climate policy. It is weird that in some fashion, whether my kids will have at least a chance of non-apocalyptic future is being decided on how much some swing states hates women (a gross simplification, but still).

      12 votes
    5. boxer_dogs_dance
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      I have been volunteering a lot. I was very scared until just after the Madison Square Garden Trump rally. MAGA went full mask off with the rhetoric at that rally. The opening comedian in...

      I have been volunteering a lot. I was very scared until just after the Madison Square Garden Trump rally. MAGA went full mask off with the rhetoric at that rally. The opening comedian in particular called Puerto Rico a trash island, and told a watermelon eating joke about a 'black friend'. Puerto Ricans who live full time in states can and do vote, if they care to do so. A significant number of them live in Pennsylvania, a key swing state. Here are some articles that encouraged me:
      Puerto Rican Stars back Harris

      Latino voters in Pennsylvania support Harris for the most part

      Archbishop of Puerto Rico demands Trump apologize for rally comedian

      I've also been encouraged by other 'mistakes' by Trump that I think are likely to reduce his turnout. Examples include trash talking FEMA in North Carolina after the Hurricane which in some cases discouraged or prevented people from applying for available aid. The recent video of him with a microphone looked bad. His promising to put RFK in charge of health care policy and administration in the US federal government looks bad.

      I'm also quite encouraged by the Selzer poll in Iowa. When that was released, r/fivethirtyeight went crazy over how big a surprise that was and how reliable a poll this usually is.

      11 votes
    6. Mendanbar
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      I was feeling pretty stressed, but watching this Adam Conover video helped a bit. It's a bit preachy, and the title is a bit clickbait, but it helped me realize that tomorrow is not some singular...

      I was feeling pretty stressed, but watching this Adam Conover video helped a bit. It's a bit preachy, and the title is a bit clickbait, but it helped me realize that tomorrow is not some singular moment that will decide everything. The world will still go on. The road may be significantly harder depending on who wins the election (if we even get a definitive answer on that), but there will be a day after filled with choices we can make in our local communities to keep everything moving in a positive direction. That's what I'm trying to focus on right now. I still dip into fits of anxiety, but I'm taking it slow.

      10 votes
    7. Omnicrola
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      If I allowed myself to think about it, horrible. So I'm doing my best not to. There is literally nothing I can do at this point to affect the outcome other than what I've already done (vote!)....

      If I allowed myself to think about it, horrible. So I'm doing my best not to. There is literally nothing I can do at this point to affect the outcome other than what I've already done (vote!). Pouring myself into work and crafting cosplay things and completely avoiding news, polls, etc for the next few days. I'm also preparing myself to try and be patient, since it's very unlikely the outcome will be certain on Tuesday, and likely not on Wednesday either.

      9 votes
    8. BeardyHat
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      Wracked with anxiety and stress.

      Wracked with anxiety and stress.

      8 votes
    9. [5]
      clem
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      Very anxious. I made the mistake of reading an article about what the "stand back and stand by" boys are talking about, and that has made me imagine all sorts of situations that probably won't...

      Very anxious. I made the mistake of reading an article about what the "stand back and stand by" boys are talking about, and that has made me imagine all sorts of situations that probably won't happen. My response to one of those situations is to say that "I'm voting for/I voted for democracy and freedom." I think I'm prepared to say that with a gun pointed at me. But I do think it'd be smarter to just lie. And now I'm a little anxious about typing this out using an account where it'd be easy to doxx me.

      I don't really believe in that, though. I don't think it'll come to that, especially not in the rural place where I live. But I'm eager to have this be done. I'm actually optimistic about the result. I think the polls are overestimating Trump's support and I think that far more Americans are tired of him than appreciate him. But I just want it to be over.

      8 votes
      1. [3]
        Kind_of_Ben
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        I'm glad I'm not the only one imagining this. I live next to a guy flying a flag that reads "join or get stacked" (with a picture of that revolutionary war-era "join or die" snake political...

        My response to one of those situations is to say that "I'm voting for/I voted for democracy and freedom." I think I'm prepared to say that with a gun pointed at me. But I do think it'd be smarter to just lie.

        I'm glad I'm not the only one imagining this. I live next to a guy flying a flag that reads "join or get stacked" (with a picture of that revolutionary war-era "join or die" snake political cartoon) who shoots off shotguns at 8am in the morning sometimes. Apparently he's a cop too.

        I know it's not likely to happen. But still.

        6 votes
        1. [2]
          boxer_dogs_dance
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          I am sadly expecting a certain amount of terrorism between now and the inauguration unless it's a Trump win on election day. I am confident that the FBI is prepared and I trust Biden in the white...

          I am sadly expecting a certain amount of terrorism between now and the inauguration unless it's a Trump win on election day. I am confident that the FBI is prepared and I trust Biden in the white house, but it's a big country.

          10 votes
          1. Kind_of_Ben
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            Yeah that's one big difference from last time, we have the White House. Definitely encouraging.

            Yeah that's one big difference from last time, we have the White House. Definitely encouraging.

            7 votes
      2. Eji1700
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        To be blunt, while I don't think this sort of situation would happen, there's going to be no need for some "question" to be asked. With the amount of data companies harvest, which a malicious...

        To be blunt, while I don't think this sort of situation would happen, there's going to be no need for some "question" to be asked.

        With the amount of data companies harvest, which a malicious state would have access to, you're likely going to show up on about 30 different query outputs and be targeted anyways.

        People really have no idea just how much data they automatically give out to companies like apple/amazon/etc, and that if the state were to become hostile, how very quickly those companies are likely going to hand over that data for whatever purposes they want to use it for.

        4 votes
    10. Rudism
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      I feel disconnected and apathetic. I did vote--in fact I've only ever voted 3 times in my life and each time it was decidedly a vote against a specific candidate as opposed to one for a candidate...

      I feel disconnected and apathetic. I did vote--in fact I've only ever voted 3 times in my life and each time it was decidedly a vote against a specific candidate as opposed to one for a candidate that I particularly cared about. But my faith in reality, reason, and rationality to persevere in the current political and social climate has been completely eroded away to the point where I just feel numb.

      My wife's out of town for a few days to attend an expo, and she's traveling with her sister. They are complete polar opposites from a political perspective, and the only way they get along is if they completely avoid all political and culture war related topics. It's going to be interesting hearing about whether or not (and how) they managed to do that considering they'll be together on election night and a couple days after. So while I don't really feel anything about the election itself, I at least do really hope that my wife and her sister manage to keep their relationship intact, regardless of the outcome (or lack of agreed upon outcome, as I suspect will more likely be the case).

      8 votes
    11. BeanBurrito
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      I feel fine. I am concerned. I've been thinking of this date as a far away thing for so long and now it is a bit disconcerting to know that it is tomorrow.

      I feel fine.

      I am concerned.

      I've been thinking of this date as a far away thing for so long and now it is a bit disconcerting to know that it is tomorrow.

      5 votes
    12. WiseassWolfOfYoitsu
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      Better than a week ago. Got some hope that the Shy Harris Voting Wife phenomenon will be enough to push her over the edge. It's still coin toss territory and I'm mostly comforting myself with the...

      Better than a week ago. Got some hope that the Shy Harris Voting Wife phenomenon will be enough to push her over the edge. It's still coin toss territory and I'm mostly comforting myself with the fact that I, personally, should come out fine either way... which is mostly just a coping mechanism since there's a lot of people I know and value that won't.

      5 votes
    13. knocklessmonster
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      Nervous as hell. It's not life-altering nerves, but whatever happens there will be a mess. A Harris win would mean months of substantial mess rather than years, but I'm not looking forward to...

      Nervous as hell. It's not life-altering nerves, but whatever happens there will be a mess. A Harris win would mean months of substantial mess rather than years, but I'm not looking forward to Wednesday whatever the result.

      5 votes
    14. [10]
      hungariantoast
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      Honestly, pretty chill. Aside from doing some ballot research before I went to vote last week, I have stayed mostly checked out from this election. I'm sure tomorrow, as I inevitably and...

      Honestly, pretty chill. Aside from doing some ballot research before I went to vote last week, I have stayed mostly checked out from this election.

      I'm sure tomorrow, as I inevitably and habitually refresh a results tracker every fifteen minutes, will be a high-anxiety day regardless of the result, but that's tomorrow.

      I'm ready to celebrate or commiserate, whichever is necessary, but I refuse to give this election my fear.


      Are you going to post the election megathread tomorrow, after polls close?

      4 votes
      1. [9]
        kfwyre
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        I honestly hadn’t thought about it, but I definitely can! Originally I was just thinking we’d just use this topic as our chat space, but I can see the utility of having a separate megathread for...

        I honestly hadn’t thought about it, but I definitely can! Originally I was just thinking we’d just use this topic as our chat space, but I can see the utility of having a separate megathread for the election specifically.

        I’m thinking I’ll post it tomorrow morning, just so it’s there for any news/chat that happens during the day as well. Does that sound like a good plan?

        10 votes
        1. [2]
          Omnicrola
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          I think this is a really good idea. There's going to be news, rumors, and insanity flying around all goddamn day, well before the polls close.

          I think this is a really good idea. There's going to be news, rumors, and insanity flying around all goddamn day, well before the polls close.

          4 votes
          1. kfwyre
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            Sounds good (well, regarding the timing — everything else about tomorrow leaves me with a pit in my stomach). I’ll put one up tomorrow morning.

            Sounds good (well, regarding the timing — everything else about tomorrow leaves me with a pit in my stomach).

            I’ll put one up tomorrow morning.

            5 votes
        2. [6]
          hungariantoast
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          Yeah that sounds great, thanks for handling it again! I don't know if you'd want to include a results tracker in the post itself, but if you do, I'm pretty sure these are going to be the live...

          Yeah that sounds great, thanks for handling it again!

          I don't know if you'd want to include a results tracker in the post itself, but if you do, I'm pretty sure these are going to be the live results pages for a few major websites:

          2 votes
          1. [3]
            kfwyre
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            The links are super helpful, thanks. Also you said “again” and I was like, ??? Turns out I did do some election topics back in 2020, but that time was such an anxiety nightmare for me that I...

            The links are super helpful, thanks. Also you said “again” and I was like, ???

            Turns out I did do some election topics back in 2020, but that time was such an anxiety nightmare for me that I completely forgot about them (probably for the best, tbh).

            The good news is that I’m doing much better this time around! Still nervous, but nowhere near as bad as I was back in 2020.

            Also did the NYT tech guild ask people not to access the needle in solidarity? If they did I’ll leave that out of the links.

            4 votes
            1. [2]
              hungariantoast
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              As far as I know, they only specifically asked people not to access the games or cooking app: https://x.com/nyguild/status/1853418971585729013 or...

              As far as I know, they only specifically asked people not to access the games or cooking app:

              https://x.com/nyguild/status/1853418971585729013 or https://nitter.poast.org/nyguild/status/1853418971585729013

              But the very first line of their release statement says "the union that powers the technology behind election coverage at The New York Times". So, I don't know, it's your call 🤷

              2 votes
              1. kfwyre
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                I’ll include it. I feel like if they wanted people to stay off of it, they would have named it specifically. Of course, with them on strike, who knows if the needle will actually be working and...

                I’ll include it. I feel like if they wanted people to stay off of it, they would have named it specifically.

                Of course, with them on strike, who knows if the needle will actually be working and reliable tomorrow…

                1 vote
          2. [2]
            Kind_of_Ben
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            The NYT tracker/needle might be impaired or down all together given the strike.

            The NYT tracker/needle might be impaired or down all together given the strike.

            1. hungariantoast
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              I was wondering about that myself. I guess we'll find out tomorrow. In 2020, NYT and AP were the fastest and most frequent to update their results. I think AP was even the first of the major sites...

              I was wondering about that myself. I guess we'll find out tomorrow.

              In 2020, NYT and AP were the fastest and most frequent to update their results. I think AP was even the first of the major sites to declare Biden the winner, but I might be wrong about that. I generally like NYT's election tracker design more though. I'm hopeful they'll still be able to match their previous speed and frequency of updates. That probably wouldn't be any kind of blow to the strike? Right?

    15. eggpl4nt
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      I feel stressed and anxious. I feel very worried about voter apathy/bystander effect, similar to what happened in 2016. "Oh there's no way Trump will win (again), I can just stay home, other...

      I feel stressed and anxious. I feel very worried about voter apathy/bystander effect, similar to what happened in 2016. "Oh there's no way Trump will win (again), I can just stay home, other people are going to go vote against him, so I don't have to."

      I just really, really hope people go out and vote. Talking the talk is one thing, walking the walk is another.

      4 votes
    16. gpl
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      For the past week I have felt oddly... calm? I believe Kamala is going to win and it won't be close.

      For the past week I have felt oddly... calm? I believe Kamala is going to win and it won't be close.

      4 votes
    17. moocow1452
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      I have embraced the void and have become nothingness. I expect nothing except that this is going to turn out however it's going to turn out, and we're hopefully going to get an answer about who's...

      I have embraced the void and have become nothingness. I expect nothing except that this is going to turn out however it's going to turn out, and we're hopefully going to get an answer about who's in charge by the end of the week, if not the night of.

      (Ask me again in five minutes.)

      4 votes
    18. patience_limited
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      I'm feeling... broke? I couldn't predictably schedule volunteer time, so I put every spare dime into campaign contributions for Dems up and down the ballot. I'm genuinely excited about the quality...

      I'm feeling... broke? I couldn't predictably schedule volunteer time, so I put every spare dime into campaign contributions for Dems up and down the ballot. I'm genuinely excited about the quality of local Michigan candidates, as well as Kamala Harris. If money equals votes, I've done what I can to support them in the face of a dark spending flood.

      Right now, I'm exhausted, over-newsed, and clinging to hope for a bright outcome tomorrow. To be honest, my gut says it's not going to be close as far as the popular vote is concerned (I'd put money on 46+% Harris <44% Trump) but swing states and the Electoral College are the real game.

      2 votes
    19. [2]
      Raistlin
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      Extremely stressed. Almost preferred it before the Iowa poll, now I have hope. I'm not sure how I'll be able to sleep. Playing Star Ocean 2 whenever I have free time to keep the thoughts away.

      Extremely stressed. Almost preferred it before the Iowa poll, now I have hope. I'm not sure how I'll be able to sleep.

      Playing Star Ocean 2 whenever I have free time to keep the thoughts away.

      2 votes
      1. MimicSquid
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        What excellent taste in older games. That's definitely a game to get sucked into. Just set yourself a goal of successfully pickpocketing every NPC in the game, and you'll look up sometime late in...

        What excellent taste in older games. That's definitely a game to get sucked into. Just set yourself a goal of successfully pickpocketing every NPC in the game, and you'll look up sometime late in 2025.

    20. Macha
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      I'm nervous because it's hard to be sure what the outcome will be, but my gut feeling says Kamala has this, given signs like the early voter turnout of women and the last set of polls. I'm not an...

      I'm nervous because it's hard to be sure what the outcome will be, but my gut feeling says Kamala has this, given signs like the early voter turnout of women and the last set of polls.

      I'm not an American, so my personal stake as a European is that trump will leave Ukraine out to dry, but I'm hoping for the sake of Americans I know as well that he doesn't get back in.

      Brexit also seemed to have an inoculating effect on the worst of the ideas for the Brits also, so here's hoping Trumps first term proved the same way for Americans.

      1 vote
    21. [2]
      nukeman
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      A lot more relaxed after the Selzer poll and Ralston prediction. I voted early, it’s out of my hands now. Probably gonna spend all day tomorrow in the classified room at work, so I won’t be...

      A lot more relaxed after the Selzer poll and Ralston prediction. I voted early, it’s out of my hands now. Probably gonna spend all day tomorrow in the classified room at work, so I won’t be constantly checking for news updates.

      1 vote
      1. Omnicrola
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        I know this isn't what you ment, but I'm going to choose to belive you're spending the day in a locked room reading old classified newspaper ads, scrutinizing them for a pattern that will unlock a...

        in the classified room at work

        I know this isn't what you ment, but I'm going to choose to belive you're spending the day in a locked room reading old classified newspaper ads, scrutinizing them for a pattern that will unlock a decades old mystery

        1 vote
  2. skybrian
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    Filling out the election ballot today, so I'm frantically Googling local races. Not sure I like Eric Swalwell, but a Democrat didn't run against him. Oh well. Voted for the Pamela Price recall....

    Filling out the election ballot today, so I'm frantically Googling local races.

    • Not sure I like Eric Swalwell, but a Democrat didn't run against him. Oh well.

    • Voted for the Pamela Price recall. It's surprisingly hard to find good info about her actual job performance, but I figure that prosecutors should know, and there are several that came out against her. And if I'm going to vote for such a controversial person, I think I ought to know more than I do about what we're getting by shaking things up. (Also, the newspapers endorsed the recall.)

    • East Bay Municipal utility district director: I voted for the candidate with an active Mastodon account who filled out all the questionnaires with detailed answers over the ones who didn't bother.

    • East Bay Regional Park District Director: I voted for the trail runner who was endorsed by all the current park district directors and has a decent, but not particularly informative website over the others who had hardly any info online.

    • Eden Township Healthcare District Director: One of the candidates seems to be an adjunct professor who is running for five different offices at the same time and has a petition against him about allegedly bigoted posts on social media. I voted for the other one.

    • local park district board, choose 3 out of 6: Oh wait, that guy is running for this one too. Nothing online about the other challengers. Went with the incumbents.

    • Sanitary district board, choose 2 out of 5: that guy again. This district has the weirdest shape I've ever seen, which I learned from one of the challengers who posted a big picture of it. Also with a bunch of weird art projects - apparently she's a retired art teacher? Anyway, went with the incumbents. Oh wait, I voted for three. Oops.

    [taking a break, next I'll do California propositions.]

    3 votes
  3. [2]
    Interesting
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    Would it make sense for us to open a "Election results discussion" thread tomorrow? That way this one could be more for the headlines over the next week and not get so overwhelmingly large.

    Would it make sense for us to open a "Election results discussion" thread tomorrow? That way this one could be more for the headlines over the next week and not get so overwhelmingly large.

    1 vote
  4. updawg
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    Just don't be surprised if shit goes down On Telegram, a Violent Preview of What May Unfold on Election Day and After...

    Just don't be surprised if shit goes down

    On Telegram, a Violent Preview of What May Unfold on Election Day and After https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/04/technology/telegram-right-wing-groups-election.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Xk4.Eo3r.hKm5mugNUFD8

    And it may only be made worse because of these people:

    The Army of Election Officials Ready to Reject the Vote https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/25/magazine/far-right-election-results.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Xk4.Q5Jy.Bg6Q-1CfFRBc

    1 vote