Perhaps it's just Because I work for the state government and it's currently ethics test time but come on. This is why I have co-workers who don't understand why they're getting in trouble when...
Perhaps it's just Because I work for the state government and it's currently ethics test time but come on. This is why I have co-workers who don't understand why they're getting in trouble when they are actively looking for loopholes in policies that are designed to protect their benefits
My guess is that Facebook wanted to fire these people anyway and this was a great reason to dismiss them without paying severance. Basically: don't do things that allow your employer to fire you...
My guess is that Facebook wanted to fire these people anyway and this was a great reason to dismiss them without paying severance.
Basically: don't do things that allow your employer to fire you for free during a restructuring.
I really doubt it. A few dozen people is a grain of sand relative to Meta’s overall employee base. It wouldn’t even be worth the pay for the HR staff to gather evidence and pursue the cases. I...
I really doubt it. A few dozen people is a grain of sand relative to Meta’s overall employee base. It wouldn’t even be worth the pay for the HR staff to gather evidence and pursue the cases.
I think they just don’t want people embezzling money. If nothing else, it’s problematic tax-wise.
The article also states that these employees weren't fired for mis-spending a single $25 credit (which would be wild even in America, the land of at-will employment); rather, they were "deemed to...
The article also states that these employees weren't fired for mis-spending a single $25 credit (which would be wild even in America, the land of at-will employment); rather, they were "deemed to have abused the food credit system over a long period of time", including collaborating to e.g. pool credits. This was almost certainly obviously against policy, and IMO It's likely they'd gotten warnings about it already.
In a sense it's dumb, because it makes no difference to Facebook whether those credits are spent on food or sundries, but I can't blame companies that much for enforcing non-abusive policies. The timing corresponding with a reorg is suspicious, but companies this size both reorganize subunits and fire people absolutely constantly; a priori it's at least as likely to be coincidence as a malicious plot to deprive people of unemployment.
In my experience employers want to get rid of employees for lots of reasons (e.g. they are underperforming) and do their best to do so while limiting their legal liability.
In my experience employers want to get rid of employees for lots of reasons (e.g. they are underperforming) and do their best to do so while limiting their legal liability.
The issue is that it’s simply not worth the effort to concoct some of kind of plot just to not pay them severance you don’t have to pay them in the US anyway. It’s far cheaper to just pay them to...
The issue is that it’s simply not worth the effort to concoct some of kind of plot just to not pay them severance you don’t have to pay them in the US anyway. It’s far cheaper to just pay them to go away.
There is no legal liability to laying people off in the US. Everywhere is at will.
Yeah that's possible, but since they're already doing layoffs, I'm less convinced this is the key reason. I've gotten a meal plan benefit at my job before. We could absolutely use all of it, but...
Yeah that's possible, but since they're already doing layoffs, I'm less convinced this is the key reason.
I've gotten a meal plan benefit at my job before. We could absolutely use all of it, but the department paid per meal used. Using my meal plan to buy a take out meal for my friend every day would not have been ok (it wasn't a taxed benefit). I know it's wild for Meta to have ethics policies (/s), but buying toothpaste with your optional, monitored meal benefit is how you lose that benefit for everyone.
…is it? Do people think that Meta offices are the purge or something? Why? There’s a big difference between the nuanced and subjective discussion of their impact on society and “don’t embezzle money”.
I know it's wild for Meta to have ethics policies
…is it? Do people think that Meta offices are the purge or something? Why?
There’s a big difference between the nuanced and subjective discussion of their impact on society and “don’t embezzle money”.
I was being deeply sarcastic, I'll go mark that with a tone indicator. But no, I don't think it's the purge. I also don't think they're an ethical company, but I'm fairly certain they have...
I was being deeply sarcastic, I'll go mark that with a tone indicator.
But no, I don't think it's the purge. I also don't think they're an ethical company, but I'm fairly certain they have policies about the use of their benefits (or their computers, or their gym or basically anything)
There's also a difference between hiring minions who are willing to do awful things to outside "clients", vs minions who have proven they do awful things to the internal organization. The obvious...
There's also a difference between hiring minions who are willing to do awful things to outside "clients", vs minions who have proven they do awful things to the internal organization. The obvious point is that if you hire folks with inconsistent ethics you're going to get folks with inconsistent ethics, but the idea is that FB needs to occasionally make clear they do this nonsense "out there, not in here".
I mean..... You make $400,000 a year. The terms are obviously that there's free food at work, not, the company will buy you groceries / meals at home. How hard is it to only order protein...
I mean..... You make $400,000 a year.
The terms are obviously that there's free food at work, not, the company will buy you groceries / meals at home. How hard is it to only order protein repeatedly at work, eat your own cheap sides, and Tupperware the haul home each day?
These are the kind of rich people I'm used to working with. They make ridiculous amounts of money, but they're cheap as hell, and will argue pricing with you over every nickel. They don't seem to...
These are the kind of rich people I'm used to working with. They make ridiculous amounts of money, but they're cheap as hell, and will argue pricing with you over every nickel.
They don't seem to stop being turds until they're making over a couple million. Then something happens after millions and millions of dollars and they turn into scrooge mcducks again, but that's a longer conversation.
I’m curious what the communication was on having meals delivered home if you weren’t coming into the office. I’ve worked for a remote company before where we would be given credits to order food...
I’m curious what the communication was on having meals delivered home if you weren’t coming into the office. I’ve worked for a remote company before where we would be given credits to order food delivery to our homes. If you’re working in the office 2 or 3 days a week I could understand if you thought the credits were for every weekday regardless of where you were working.
But I am supportive of firing people for expense fraud. It’s completely fair in the case of people ordering cleaning supplies etc.
It seemed like it was specifically for meals when "in office after 6pm" because their onsite food services were closed at that point. I read a different article though so it may not have been in...
It seemed like it was specifically for meals when "in office after 6pm" because their onsite food services were closed at that point. I read a different article though so it may not have been in this one or the one I read was wrong.
Perhaps it's just Because I work for the state government and it's currently ethics test time but come on. This is why I have co-workers who don't understand why they're getting in trouble when they are actively looking for loopholes in policies that are designed to protect their benefits
My guess is that Facebook wanted to fire these people anyway and this was a great reason to dismiss them without paying severance.
Basically: don't do things that allow your employer to fire you for free during a restructuring.
I really doubt it. A few dozen people is a grain of sand relative to Meta’s overall employee base. It wouldn’t even be worth the pay for the HR staff to gather evidence and pursue the cases.
I think they just don’t want people embezzling money. If nothing else, it’s problematic tax-wise.
The article also states that these employees weren't fired for mis-spending a single $25 credit (which would be wild even in America, the land of at-will employment); rather, they were "deemed to have abused the food credit system over a long period of time", including collaborating to e.g. pool credits. This was almost certainly obviously against policy, and IMO It's likely they'd gotten warnings about it already.
In a sense it's dumb, because it makes no difference to Facebook whether those credits are spent on food or sundries, but I can't blame companies that much for enforcing non-abusive policies. The timing corresponding with a reorg is suspicious, but companies this size both reorganize subunits and fire people absolutely constantly; a priori it's at least as likely to be coincidence as a malicious plot to deprive people of unemployment.
In my experience employers want to get rid of employees for lots of reasons (e.g. they are underperforming) and do their best to do so while limiting their legal liability.
The issue is that it’s simply not worth the effort to concoct some of kind of plot just to not pay them severance you don’t have to pay them in the US anyway. It’s far cheaper to just pay them to go away.
There is no legal liability to laying people off in the US. Everywhere is at will.
In my experience if you want to dismiss someone the general strategy is to go find some infraction they've committed and then remove them for that.
Yeah that's possible, but since they're already doing layoffs, I'm less convinced this is the key reason.
I've gotten a meal plan benefit at my job before. We could absolutely use all of it, but the department paid per meal used. Using my meal plan to buy a take out meal for my friend every day would not have been ok (it wasn't a taxed benefit). I know it's wild for Meta to have ethics policies (/s), but buying toothpaste with your optional, monitored meal benefit is how you lose that benefit for everyone.
…is it? Do people think that Meta offices are the purge or something? Why?
There’s a big difference between the nuanced and subjective discussion of their impact on society and “don’t embezzle money”.
I was being deeply sarcastic, I'll go mark that with a tone indicator.
But no, I don't think it's the purge. I also don't think they're an ethical company, but I'm fairly certain they have policies about the use of their benefits (or their computers, or their gym or basically anything)
There's also a difference between hiring minions who are willing to do awful things to outside "clients", vs minions who have proven they do awful things to the internal organization. The obvious point is that if you hire folks with inconsistent ethics you're going to get folks with inconsistent ethics, but the idea is that FB needs to occasionally make clear they do this nonsense "out there, not in here".
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I mean..... You make $400,000 a year.
The terms are obviously that there's free food at work, not, the company will buy you groceries / meals at home. How hard is it to only order protein repeatedly at work, eat your own cheap sides, and Tupperware the haul home each day?
These are the kind of rich people I'm used to working with. They make ridiculous amounts of money, but they're cheap as hell, and will argue pricing with you over every nickel.
They don't seem to stop being turds until they're making over a couple million. Then something happens after millions and millions of dollars and they turn into scrooge mcducks again, but that's a longer conversation.
I’m curious what the communication was on having meals delivered home if you weren’t coming into the office. I’ve worked for a remote company before where we would be given credits to order food delivery to our homes. If you’re working in the office 2 or 3 days a week I could understand if you thought the credits were for every weekday regardless of where you were working.
But I am supportive of firing people for expense fraud. It’s completely fair in the case of people ordering cleaning supplies etc.
It seemed like it was specifically for meals when "in office after 6pm" because their onsite food services were closed at that point. I read a different article though so it may not have been in this one or the one I read was wrong.