Apologies if anyone is sick of all the Reddit drama, but I wanted to share something that was important to me. Effective tomorrow /r/videos is shutting down. I shared a lot of my thoughts in the...
Apologies if anyone is sick of all the Reddit drama, but I wanted to share something that was important to me. Effective tomorrow /r/videos is shutting down. I shared a lot of my thoughts in the post but I'll share a couple more here. I know this is likely a symbolic gesture because I'm fairly confident reddit will just kick us out and bring the subreddit back up, but after being on the mod team for over a decade its going to be interesting to see how things even function if they decide to take that route.
They'll definitely wind up taking over the basic shut down subs like /r/videos because they're easy SEO. We'll see what happens afterward, but I can't see them letting subs that are now at least...
They'll definitely wind up taking over the basic shut down subs like /r/videos because they're easy SEO. We'll see what happens afterward, but I can't see them letting subs that are now at least defacto defaults just die.
That's not a lack of support for the protest. Even if I'll still use Reddit as I usually fo (lots of small useful communities), I'm not opposed, nor would I be mad at, people burning down what they have built for the platform in protest. in fact, if every community I was a member of decided to nuke itself I would support it.
I do wonder if that is what it should take to actually gain the leverage users and moderators would need to force Reddit to the table to negotiate the API prices. The blackouts aren't going to do...
I do wonder if that is what it should take to actually gain the leverage users and moderators would need to force Reddit to the table to negotiate the API prices. The blackouts aren't going to do anything, in my opinion. Most are for only two days, Reddit will just wait them out. And if only a small number of subs go inactive permanently, then they'll just hand the sub over to other power mods.
For this to actually work, all the power and/or experienced mods would need to effectively go on strike, so to speak. They need to be willing to walk away from Reddit and let the admins scramble to figure out who to hand dozens of subreddits to with millions users, and those hypothetical new mods would need to be thrown into the deep end on how to manage communities with millions of subscribers each.
I would wager there would not be enough people to want to volunteer to do that so suddenly, and those who would are likely not experienced enough to do so well.
But, I doubt power mods on Reddit would be willing to risk everything, so to speak, in enough numbers for this, and personally as a ten year Redditor, I think it's just time to move on. I'm not even mad, sites have died before, or have become untenable to me personally at least. Tildes is very nice for discussion purposes, but I need to figure out a way to replace Reddit for news. Perhaps I will finally look into learning how RSS feeds work.
There's only one thing: money. Without a massive drop in revenue (ad impressions, reddit premium subscriptions), nothing will force them to reverse course. Even all of the bad PR will blow over in...
I do wonder if that is what it should take to actually gain the leverage users and moderators would need to force Reddit to the table to negotiate the API prices.
There's only one thing: money.
Without a massive drop in revenue (ad impressions, reddit premium subscriptions), nothing will force them to reverse course.
Even all of the bad PR will blow over in a couple of months and all of this will only be a couple of sentences in any articles about the IPO later this year.
All they care about is across the IPO finish line. There are enough casual users who won't notice that most of the content is coming from karma farming repost bots, and the way that /r/popular works means that they can't really be held hostage by even mass blackouts because there aren't any default subs; as long as there are any active subs, there will still be content on popular.
You're probably right, but I would feel worse if I knew that I just sat down and let it roll over me. At least with this I know that we tried to make a stand, even if it's ultimately fruitless....
You're probably right, but I would feel worse if I knew that I just sat down and let it roll over me. At least with this I know that we tried to make a stand, even if it's ultimately fruitless.
Do subreddit mods have the power to delete posts? Deleting every single post on /r/video ever posted would be quite the show, even if they ultimately just rolled the changes back.
Do subreddit mods have the power to delete posts? Deleting every single post on /r/video ever posted would be quite the show, even if they ultimately just rolled the changes back.
On Reddit: Users delete their own posts. Moderators remove other users' posts. A user deleting their own post will take that post entirely off all Reddit's visible interfaces. A back-up copy of...
Do subreddit mods have the power to delete posts?
On Reddit:
Users delete their own posts.
Moderators remove other users' posts.
A user deleting their own post will take that post entirely off all Reddit's visible interfaces. A back-up copy of the post is still stored for back-up purposes and for potential law enforcement investigations, but that's not visible to any person viewing Reddit: it's in the database only, not on any front-end user-facing interface.
A moderator removing someone else's post only hides that post from view within the subreddit it has been removed from. The post is still visible on the user history page of the user who posted it; anyone on Reddit can view that.
So... no, moderators can't delete posts on Reddit.
And, even if they did, there's back-up copies of everything posted on Reddit, kept on the database for at least as long as the laws of the U.S. require tech firms to keep backups, for law enforcement agencies (e.g. a police agency serving a warrant for child pornography posted by a suspect in the past X months).
This is true for comments and link posts. Content form text posts and img/video hosted on reddit will not be visible in the poster's history (except for mods on the sub in question).
This is true for comments and link posts. Content form text posts and img/video hosted on reddit will not be visible in the poster's history (except for mods on the sub in question).
Oh, I absolutely think this is the right thing to do, even if I believe that it will ultimately be fruitless. Reddit knew it would be wildly unpopular, which is why they delayed doing this for as...
Oh, I absolutely think this is the right thing to do, even if I believe that it will ultimately be fruitless.
Reddit knew it would be wildly unpopular, which is why they delayed doing this for as long as they could, but they absolutely should feel the repercussions of their decisions.
Even if it doesn't hurt their bottom line, it will stop take its toll on the overall morale of the employees and expose Reddit Inc.'s real motivations.
I agree money is the main factor, and part of the reason why I think a sitewide mod strike, rather than sub blackouts, might work, if only as a very risky long shot. If Reddit wants to keep the...
I agree money is the main factor, and part of the reason why I think a sitewide mod strike, rather than sub blackouts, might work, if only as a very risky long shot.
If Reddit wants to keep the site palatable for advertisers in the wake of a presumative and hypothetical rise in trolling and spam, and fails to find enough replacement volunteer mods, then they might have to finally consider paid mod positions. We know they've already allowed their employee base to balloon to 2000, likely following the overhiring trend from the pandemic. They announced layoffs earlier this week, though only a minor wave compared to other companies.
Spending more on payroll might not be something they want, but again, I realize this is a long shot and unlikely to take off in the first place because I don't see power mods resigning en masse as likely, and this is assuming that enough bad actors from lack of moderation act in a manner that is noticeable and disruptive.
If mods drop off in really high numbers they wouldn't be able to replace them fast enough with hired employees without spending a lot of money or with free labor without vetting them very well....
If mods drop off in really high numbers they wouldn't be able to replace them fast enough with hired employees without spending a lot of money or with free labor without vetting them very well. The second one could cause scandals, since new mods might have their own agendas.
I think the ship has sailed. Spez's snubbing of the community imho is what will set this over the top. Doesn't matter if they come back and change their mind. Short of removing Spez and hitting...
I do wonder if that is what it should take to actually gain the leverage users and moderators would need to force Reddit to the table to negotiate the API prices.
I think the ship has sailed. Spez's snubbing of the community imho is what will set this over the top. Doesn't matter if they come back and change their mind. Short of removing Spez and hitting rewind pre-redesign it aint gettin it's magic back.
RIP /r/listentothis. :P So long, and thanks for all the tunes you first class lunatics. <3 Give them hell, Stabby. Live up to that username. If I were still the head mod there I'd do the same...
If I were still the head mod there I'd do the same thing. I might do one thing differently, though... everyone going dark is such 'nice' a way to handle this. Maybe my inner troll would rather whip up the users into a frenzy and let them burn it down with a tsunami of submissions and shitposting that could brick the site's backbone. Bury it under a wave of shit that will give any investor a nightmare just looking at it, and beat it to death with a hundred new bot tools.
Maybe that's just because I'm still salty that reddit ruined the spiritual successor to alt.binaries.mp3. :P Such a long way from how it began, no? Well, I have good news - Tildes mechanics are more conducive to music already. That downvote problem is fucking solved - it became the labels.
We have Tildes, and all the ex-listentothis cratediggers who are here now to keep ~music banging. I should go over there and set up a back door to get the music people into tildes. They are a good fit for this place. Music people are chilled out people. They don't start flamewars, but they know how to finish them.
I'll also make a note that the magic bot that runs listentothis is open source code and it will save us some time in the future when it's time to get metadata-crazy. We are not losing everything - that bot knows how to interrogate the internet for useful information about music. Someday it'll help make mycketforvirrad's job a lot easier.
Another job lost to automation :( I kid I kid! I absolutely adored /r/listentothis and found a ton of new music that way. I'd be very excited if we could get more of that community over here. I've...
Someday it'll help make mycketforvirrad's job a lot easier.
Another job lost to automation :(
I kid I kid! I absolutely adored /r/listentothis and found a ton of new music that way. I'd be very excited if we could get more of that community over here. I've still got lots of invites I can hand out.
These people are very, very easy to spot. Their submission histories look like a music subreddit does. Racks of tracks for the stacks. I know who I am inviting first. Meet reddit's least well...
Incidentally, the /r/listentous model is the 'Tildes' way to start a track sharing group. Maybe we don't have to go quite so far as holding elections like this but I think the idea of letting a handful different users take the place for a spin each week produced the finest track selections I have seen in any online space. It's a fine starting point.
Interesting notice... proof that PowerDelete doesn't get all of your comments. I ran it on my account long ago (like daily for a week) but my entry in that election is still there. I wonder if you can tell which one it was.
Just so you know, you absolutely can get ALL your comments deleted on Reddit, if you use your GDPR data to do so. You can go all the way back to the beginning of your account, no matter how old,...
Just so you know, you absolutely can get ALL your comments deleted on Reddit, if you use your GDPR data to do so. You can go all the way back to the beginning of your account, no matter how old, if Reddit still has that data on you.
I wonder how close to possible it would be for Redditors to collectively buy up the IPO and turn the company not-for-profit. I don't mean how plausible it would be, that's not a question. I mean...
I wonder how close to possible it would be for Redditors to collectively buy up the IPO and turn the company not-for-profit. I don't mean how plausible it would be, that's not a question. I mean just the logistical possibility of it.
Logistically, I think you would have to buy out everyone's shares in order to take it private again (which does happen to companies) and then you could file for a status change. You wouldn't want...
Logistically, I think you would have to buy out everyone's shares in order to take it private again (which does happen to companies) and then you could file for a status change.
You wouldn't want to buy up the IPO though. I imagine like most tech IPOs, the price will drop significantly immediately after the offering.
I imagine they want to maximize share value at IPO, so probably? Why would the investment heavy hitters throw tons of money at the stock if they weren't voting shares? If there's one thing the...
I imagine they want to maximize share value at IPO, so probably? Why would the investment heavy hitters throw tons of money at the stock if they weren't voting shares? If there's one thing the investment houses should've learned by now, it's that social media is crazy unstable.
IIRC, RSS is dying out, but best of luck, and look for alternatives. I dont know what they are. On-topic, I don't think a three day blackout will work because it won't affect the site beyond the...
IIRC, RSS is dying out, but best of luck, and look for alternatives. I dont know what they are.
On-topic, I don't think a three day blackout will work because it won't affect the site beyond the blackout. Most users are likely app users, and most of them on the official app, so I'd wager many simply don't know or care. Example: everybody I know on Reddit doesn't know about or talk about this issue. That doesn't mean this isn't a big deal, but it does mean that it would likely just be business as usual.
A big power flex of volunteer communities destroying themselves may, unfortunately, be the best solution, but Reddit will likely heal any and all resulting wounds, sort of like stabbing a bowl of Jell-O and putting it back in the fridge.
They likely will do something to reclaim the biggest subs, but when they do that will only throw fuel onto the fire and spook a lot of other moderators.
They likely will do something to reclaim the biggest subs, but when they do that will only throw fuel onto the fire and spook a lot of other moderators.
I have the utmost respect for this decision and appreciate all your hard work and efforts you did for the r/videos community voluntarily. After that disastrous AMA yesterday, this is the right way...
I have the utmost respect for this decision and appreciate all your hard work and efforts you did for the r/videos community voluntarily.
After that disastrous AMA yesterday, this is the right way to go, with the small hope that something might change. Thank you!
I am certain your action, alongside others, have helped many mods / admins make this hard decision of shutting down indefinitely.
Nevertheless, I have to say thanks to the whole mess, I found this wonderful small community here which I am actively reading now for 3 days - this is my first post.
Nice discussions, interesting articles and inputs, and actually a place where the human aspect is highly respected.
And it begins. This is how reddit ends. Not with a bang, but with the deafening silence of it's communities closing. With enough momentum and enough subs there wouldn't be much to do about it....
Update: r/iPhone (3.82 mil subscribers) as one of the big subreddits joins the decision of closing down indefinitely.
And it begins. This is how reddit ends. Not with a bang, but with the deafening silence of it's communities closing. With enough momentum and enough subs there wouldn't be much to do about it. Sure, they'll remove mods and replace them, but there simply aren't enough experienced people to replace them all and they're killing the apps and tools that make them work, including many a home grown mod tool run by the mods of those subs for those subs.
Spot on. Subs will close, admins will step in and remove/replace mods with people (well-meaning or not) who don't have a sound understanding of the heart and soul of the communities they're now...
Spot on. Subs will close, admins will step in and remove/replace mods with people (well-meaning or not) who don't have a sound understanding of the heart and soul of the communities they're now charged with moderating, and those communities will either wither and die or morph into something completely unrecognisable — and not in a good way.
I'm at a loss for words over everything happening. Honestly it'll be quite a long time before I'm not at a loss. This sounds cheap but: Thank you. Thank you for being on our side. We have always...
I'm at a loss for words over everything happening. Honestly it'll be quite a long time before I'm not at a loss. This sounds cheap but: Thank you. Thank you for being on our side. We have always been on yours.
I don't know what the future looks like. I see so much optimism that the community bonds that have grown and been nurtured for so many years can survive, even be revitalized, and thrive, regardless of where that ends up being. I believe it. It'll take time and a lot of work but things can be better.
I've been trying to write the next paragraph this entire morning but it's just not coming out. Sorry. I'll just post as is.
I use reddit is fun every single day. I bought the premium version years ago and have been mooching ever since. I wasn't just going to roll over and let them kick you to the curb. Reddit made this...
I use reddit is fun every single day. I bought the premium version years ago and have been mooching ever since. I wasn't just going to roll over and let them kick you to the curb. Reddit made this decision easy for me and for everyone else by their actions over the past few weeks.
Rif is one of the few apps I've ever paid money for, and the only Reddit client. It's just that good. It's obvious that you understood what was great about Reddit – understood it better than the...
Rif is one of the few apps I've ever paid money for, and the only Reddit client. It's just that good. It's obvious that you understood what was great about Reddit – understood it better than the people who created it, obviously.
It sucks to walk away from a site I've used so regularly for so long (12 years on my primary account, but a user for much longer than that), but I can't abide the way they've treated you and your fellow devs. You folks are the only reason that site has been tolerable to use for the last few years.
I'm really looking forward to what you come up with next.
I was on Reddit for almost 12 years. For about half of that, RIF was the only way I used the site. It's not just my favorite Reddit app, it's one of my favorite apps ever. Fast, reliable, well...
I was on Reddit for almost 12 years. For about half of that, RIF was the only way I used the site. It's not just my favorite Reddit app, it's one of my favorite apps ever. Fast, reliable, well laid out, easy on the eyes. Did everything I wanted and nothing I didn't. It was one of the few apps that didn't heat up my phone and kill the battery on long trips. I'm going to miss using it. Count me in as part of the group that's eager to try the Tildes app.
Sick of it or not, I hope I always have enough of a heart to support what is right. This entire thing has been nothing short of foul. And if you ever start to wonder about the wisdom or the...
Sick of it or not, I hope I always have enough of a heart to support what is right.
This entire thing has been nothing short of foul.
And if you ever start to wonder about the wisdom or the ethicality of your decision, remember that above and beyond the lies and the defamation and the callousness and the greed, they have proven finally and irrevocably that the disabled are not only an afterthought, but 100% disposable.
That's not good business, that's sociopathy and the cruelty of indifference. In short, it is what many people would call evil.
I have deleted ten years worth of comments and posts myself in the last 48 hours, largely because I simply won't be part of it.
Yes, they probably will just seize your sub, and do who knows what with it.
But we know who you are, and what you did, and why you did it.
It doesn't matter that a last stand doesn't work. What matters is the people that make them, and WHY, even though they know they are probably going down in flames.
No one can get you those countless hours of time and care and energy back, true enough. And this will only be the first humiliation of many, because you will be slandered, and the story will be rewritten by the victors, nastily and mercilessly and dishonestly, because that is Spez's way. It will get temporarily worse before it gets better, and I think you are well aware of that, though it will come as a shock when it happens.
But when all is said and done, you knew what you had to do, and you did it at great personal cost, and you did it simply because it is the right thing to do.
I'm glad to know you.
This is absolutely the right thing, and I - along with countless others - are 100% with you, no matter what comes next.
I'm an over 8 year user. I was just going to stop logging on and posting. Not much choice on this since I mostly use Apollo and would never use the official app. The only real value reddit has is...
I'm an over 8 year user. I was just going to stop logging on and posting. Not much choice on this since I mostly use Apollo and would never use the official app.
The only real value reddit has is the community posts, comments, and unpaid moderators. I like this plan of deleting all posts and comments and whatever minuscule value I may have added needs to be removed. I know there is a reddit nuke history browser add on that helps with this.
I'm going to wait until after the 12th to see if reddit budges. I know they probably won't.
I made a GDPR data request last week on my accounts, and when I got those back I plugged them into the redact.dev tool, which overcame the Pushshift 1000 comment history cap and allowed me to...
I made a GDPR data request last week on my accounts, and when I got those back I plugged them into the redact.dev tool, which overcame the Pushshift 1000 comment history cap and allowed me to delete all the way back to 2013. You can use redact.dev with just your profile, but I think you run into that history cap. GDPR is the way to get around it, at least for now, because I think that tool uses API calls to do the edit+deletion of each comment and post.
I'm not quite done with Reddit yet, but when I am, I'll then request a Pushshift deletion to catch anything else, on top of deleting whatever little is on there now.
My content and I - ten years and over 7000 posts/comments - will be 100% gone. Small loss to Reddit, I'm sure, but 100% the right thing to do as I take my content-creating self elsewhere.
I don't blame or judge anyone who stays. I think my main point of contention is that I want people to THINK about what they are doing with their choices and their content, and even if it fails utterly, this whole fiasco is certainly causing many to do just that. Some never will, and that's cool. But I really appreciate the number of thoughtful decisions I'm seeing, yours included.
Yeah, that's what I found as well. It's a pity, as PDS would have let me just edit the comments to protest ones, but I wound up just using Redact to fully delete everything
Yeah, that's what I found as well. It's a pity, as PDS would have let me just edit the comments to protest ones, but I wound up just using Redact to fully delete everything
If you follow the 'Advanced' instructions, it does actually delete everything, the other script is just too fast for the API: To do the same (basic method): 1. Go to...
If you follow the 'Advanced' instructions, it does actually delete everything, the other script is just too fast for the API:
That script runs too fast, so only a portion of comments/posts will be affected. A
"Advanced" (still easy) method:
1. Follow the above steps for the basic method.
2. You will need to edit the bookmark's URL slightly. In the "URL", you will need to change j0be/PowerDeleteSuite to leeola/PowerDeleteSuite. This forked version has code added to slow the script down so that it ensures that every comment gets edited/deleted.
3. Click the bookmark and it will guide you thru the rest of the very quick and easy process.
Note: this method may be very very slow. Maybe it could be better to run the Basic method a few times? If anyone has any suggestions, let us all know!
This is big. Thank you for your decade of service, and the courage to stand your ground. I'm curious if all r/videos mods are on board? Meaning, if reddit does bust in and remove the disruptive...
This is big. Thank you for your decade of service, and the courage to stand your ground.
I'm curious if all r/videos mods are on board? Meaning, if reddit does bust in and remove the disruptive mods, will there be ones left to pick up the pieces? Or are you all leaving?
Everyone who is still active on the team over the last couple weeks is on board. That doesn't include every single mod because a lot of them are inactive, but the people who actually do the work...
Everyone who is still active on the team over the last couple weeks is on board. That doesn't include every single mod because a lot of them are inactive, but the people who actually do the work to keep the subreddit running agreed.
They could handle it if it were a single large sub, but there's no way they have the resources to pick up after more than a handful. Especially not with how much they've soured the relationship...
They could handle it if it were a single large sub, but there's no way they have the resources to pick up after more than a handful. Especially not with how much they've soured the relationship with their most dedicated users. One of the many reasons I quit moderating is because admins wouldn't respond to urgent matters that mods put on a platter for them - all they needed to do was say Confirmed, remove the offending content if necessary, and ban the user. What's going to happen without collaborative, experienced mods as a first line of defense? They often know more than the admins when it comes to site mechanics (and its failures that led to relying on 3rd party tools).
Also a lot of mods got involved with a certain sub because they had a passion for the topic. I modded like 98% music subs because I loved discovering and sharing music. Passion brings motivation, team chemistry, new ideas, etc. - the biggest loss is not simply the sense of community but the intangibles from the people leading those communities. Admins will never be able to recreate organic moments like this even assuming they were given all the resources to be successful. How many times have reddit admins tried to do something "cool" that was just shallowly capitalizing on a recent trend only for it to fail quickly? There's no authenticity. Who remembers reddit made?
In the same vein, one of Reddit's actually good ideas, /r/place, appears to be in the process of being ran into the ground. Back when it was first released on 2017-04-01, it was extremely well...
How many times have reddit admins tried to do something "cool" that was just shallowly capitalizing on a recent trend only for it to fail quickly?
In the same vein, one of Reddit's actually good ideas, /r/place, appears to be in the process of being ran into the ground. Back when it was first released on 2017-04-01, it was extremely well received, to the point that every April fools event after that were compared to it and deemed inferior. Until it came back on 2022-04-01, with many rejoicing. And had they kept the pattern that seemed to be establishing, having it show up every five years, it would be an excellent way to showcase how internet culture shifted over the years through the canvas.
... Except there is credible evidence that they're bringing it back again for Reddit's 18th birthday, on 2023-06-23 (notice the convenient timing of it starting about a week before the API changes go into effect). Barely a year after last time. Reactions to that among those who kept up with the news were rather mixed, between those who feel it's way too soon, those who are still weary from the chaos that was managing coordination within their community of choice and communication with the others (which, funnily enough for a Reddit hosted event, mostly happened on Discord), and those who nonetheless feel obligated to plan for getting artwork on the canvas for the communities they represent.
And then the API mess hit, and now spirits are even lower. I even know of a faction made up of a grouping of gacha game communities throwing in the towel and abandoning their plans for this year, leaving the subgroups to pick up the pieces.
I personally will be showing up regardless as a representative of the same group of vtuber fans I was with least year, as I still had fun with /r/place in 2022 and see no reason to let Reddit's dismal behavior take that from me, but I'm also mounting an initiative to bring the API changes protest right to the middle of the canvas. Time will tell whether I'm successful in achieving this. Afterward, that's probably when I'll shred my Reddit account.
Does reddit not let you alter the dynamics of a sub, especially one that used to be a past default sub, after you reach X amount of subscribers or something? For example, if you changed the...
Does reddit not let you alter the dynamics of a sub, especially one that used to be a past default sub, after you reach X amount of subscribers or something? For example, if you changed the orientation of the videos sub to something that was more esoteric, and you actually added approved users or something but only a few people actually participated, does the mod team not have the right to do that even if you are effectively still using the sub but just for a different purpose?
I'm assuming it's more of a grey area like other things that reddit doesn't explicitly define, and what's more they'd probably come in with something like "You can't exclude all the subscribers" and effectively you'd have to actually moderate all those subscribers conforming to the new esoteric rules, which as a form of protest I doubt any moderator would want to do for an extended period of time, which reddit would of course know that.
Respect from a former /r/music+listentothis mod. I quit in 2018 after doing it about 6 years, but I still keep in contact with people from my mod teams. Despite all the negative parts, it was an...
Respect from a former /r/music+listentothis mod. I quit in 2018 after doing it about 6 years, but I still keep in contact with people from my mod teams. Despite all the negative parts, it was an overall good ride. I learned a ton of stuff I still use in my job today and have some fond memories. Even got to meet up with some folks in person. I'm sorry it had to end this way, but I appreciate y'all taking what action you can.
We all saw this coming, and that's the reason we all moved over here and left reddit when Tildes launched. I remember a very long time ago, when automoderator was a shiny new toy, asking Deimos...
We all saw this coming, and that's the reason we all moved over here and left reddit when Tildes launched.
I remember a very long time ago, when automoderator was a shiny new toy, asking Deimos for a custom feature just for listentothis. That was our old 'curated content' feature. It did work, but like anything one tries to build on top of reddit, it was clunky and hard to get people to understand how to use it. I think it had about 300 people using it at most, and only for a couple of months. What it did do, however, was prove convincingly that a curation model could beat the pants off of a basic, boring voting model. Now we have exemplary comments. Trust me, that's just the beginning of what can happen.
Deimos put that little toy feature in over a weekend just to find out if it would work, for the asking, with zero compensation. That is why I am here now.
Good on you for taking a stance! Most of us here are coming from reddit, especially with the current drama I don't think it's unusual to have a lot of discussion about it here.
Good on you for taking a stance!
Most of us here are coming from reddit, especially with the current drama I don't think it's unusual to have a lot of discussion about it here.
Thanks for all your hard volunteer work modding what must be a crazy place sometimes. I hope once the dust settles something better appears, however we as users must make that happen.
Thanks for all your hard volunteer work modding what must be a crazy place sometimes. I hope once the dust settles something better appears, however we as users must make that happen.
I always felt like the quality of /r/videos dramatically declined after the launch of reddit's native video app. That decline actually impacted my use of reddit overall, and now to see the...
I always felt like the quality of /r/videos dramatically declined after the launch of reddit's native video app. That decline actually impacted my use of reddit overall, and now to see the opportunity to re-build it here excites me. User curated content out-side of the hands of Youtube or Reddit's own personal sorting algorithms is a place that I'm excited to visit and maintain my relationship with.
I'm disappointed to see that a lot of the larger subreddits aren't participating. Like r.askreddit? Haven't seen so much as acknowledgement of the situation. Could've missed something, though....
I'm disappointed to see that a lot of the larger subreddits aren't participating. Like r.askreddit? Haven't seen so much as acknowledgement of the situation. Could've missed something, though.
Edit: Banned from r.askreddit on their "decision" post in response to the blackout lmfao. I was basically asking for it since it makes no difference now anyway. Might as well go on a ban speed run.
Also side note, linking subs with the "r/" tag actually generates a link to Reddit. Removing that now.
Looking at the list of mods of a given large sub, especially the top fifteen or so, will tell you everything you need to know. These power mods don't actually do the nuts and bolts grind of day to...
Looking at the list of mods of a given large sub, especially the top fifteen or so, will tell you everything you need to know.
These power mods don't actually do the nuts and bolts grind of day to day modding, but they do love to swoop in and muscle from time to time, and the lower mods can't really rebel: if it goes too far they will just get unmodded by those higher in the list.
Also, the further up the mod list you go, the older the account and the more direct line to admin you have. Many of these power mods are also admins themselves. r/askreddit isn't going anywhere.
Even r/bestof, that claims to be supporting the blackout, scrubbed a post critical of the moderator's conference call the other day, and looking at that moderator list it's not hard to see why.
Fact, including the scrubbed r/bestof post. But don't take my word for it, look for yourself. Go to r/Reddit, look at the list of mods. These are all admins as well as mods, many or all also paid...
But don't take my word for it, look for yourself. Go to r/Reddit, look at the list of mods. These are all admins as well as mods, many or all also paid employees. Now look at the list of mods on any big sub of your choice, and note the overlap.
Why do you think any of those people would support the blackout, or better, assume that they will not personally profit in some way from the coming IPO that is driving all of this?
Also, the ordering of the mod list in any sub is not technologically neutral: a lower mod cannot replace or adjust the rights of a mod higher on the list. It is all downward. This is to prevent sub hijacks, and has been a thing forever in many forums, even the phpBB ones. Reddit is no different.
I'm not sure what I said that you are specifically refuting as not factual. Could you tell me what fact I alleged is untrue? I have the link to the now removed r/bestof post. Your admin friend WAS...
No. Not entirely facts... I happen to know krispykrackers (literally the TOP mod at /r/askreddit) personally, and have for many many years (way before she was an admin). She isn't employed at reddit anymore, and hasn't been for quite some time. I also doubt she would have a problem with the subreddit going dark, but she doesn't interact much on reddit anymore, or anywhere else on social media.
I'm not sure what I said that you are specifically refuting as not factual. Could you tell me what fact I alleged is untrue? I have the link to the now removed r/bestof post. Your admin friend WAS employed by Reddit. At least some still are. And you can literally look at the mod and admin lists and see the rest for yourself. The top subs often have well over 100 mods, and usually only a handful do the grunt work. With respect, even Spez himself is a moderator of 15 subs, and he is most certainly a paid employee:
. . . but his actions are not those of someone who actually has to tweak an automod script daily because the spam bots overrode yesterday's version overnight. He literally sees moderators and users as fungible.
That used to be true. But it just isn't anymore. What you say is 100% correct . . . five years ago. The lower level mods who do the actual work are in a daily battle with bots, automod, bad tools, and unresponsive admin, while the technological advances and increasing numbers of bad actors are steadily encroaching.
But either way, there's a very good chance that Spez et al will in fact take over at least the top subs during the blackout, so we will see for ourselves. Between the fact that mods are not fungible, the native tools are far inferior to the third party ones, and a lot of information specific to moderating that sub just got yeeted by that sub's seizure, I expect that the loss of control to trash on many subs will be swift and overwhelming.
My opinion was painted with a broad brush. The facts I used to support it were not. And if you look again I was very careful NOT to use all-inclusive language. That is very clearly not the case,...
My opinion was painted with a broad brush. The facts I used to support it were not.
And if you look again I was very careful NOT to use all-inclusive language.
So all I would say is, perhaps stop painting with such a broad brush. Not everyone who was an admin still is, nor do they necessarily support the decisions Reddit HQ makes. And not every "powermod" is an evil reddit HQ sycophant.
That is very clearly not the case, nor do I believe I presented it as such. If you read my statement again carefully, and look at my Reddit account if you like as well (what's left of it) I am very pro mod.
But I would also point out that of the old guard of admins, many more than those who stayed have also left, like your friend. And like your friend, they don't even interact much anymore, if at all. (Example: last I looked, Victoria Taylor kept one "kitty" sub and that is all.) Yet the list of admins and paid employees at Reddit has grown. Given recent events - and even not so recent - do you really think they are against the IPO, or against how Spez is accomplishing that? Are you alleging that Spez is doing this without majority support among his admins?
Because I do not: they are the ones who are going to have to take over the site, and keep it viable, for his IPO to work.
Also, it is a fact that moderator lists are not simply chronological, but the positions therein dictate the rights of all those on it . . . UNLESS you are a site admin. In that case, you have essentially "god rights" over any sub's mod list. Are you disputing this?
With these clarifications in place, I would ask you to read again the original statement you found so non-factual, and ask you again, looking at the mere fact that what is happening at Reddit IS happening, and not in a vacuum without massive admin support:
Is it possible that you overreacted when you labeled my post as not factual?
On Reddit, I'd have walked away already, but here this is important: it dictates how I proceed here. I personally do not make heavy handed false accusations, and primary among them is that I do not label as unfactual or a lie objective statements that are easily proven or disproven, nor do I confuse fact with opinion, nor do I use an attack at fact as a way to argue opinion. I do not believe I have done so here, either.
And for the sake of continuing peace, I need you to address the fact that you categorized my fact-filled post as not factual. This is not an agree/disagree thing, or you "disputing" an opinion, it is you categorizing as false facts that are easily proven or disproven and failing to do so.
It may well be that I do not belong here at Tildes after all, and I don't have much invested here that I can't leave it behind today, but I'd like to stay. So maybe you can specifically address your direct characterization of my statements as non-factual, identifying the false "facts" specifically, and uphold the philosophy I read in the docs. Thank you.
Not cffabro. While I’m not sure they were correct to call your post nonfactual, it does seem to imply, at least from my reading, that all power mods are in cahoots with the admins and don’t...
Not cffabro. While I’m not sure they were correct to call your post nonfactual, it does seem to imply, at least from my reading, that all power mods are in cahoots with the admins and don’t actually do modding unless it serves the admins. That may well not be what you were trying to say, but it does sound like that when reading it.
I mean, he's not completely wrong - I know some powermods and some corrupt teams. I also know some good ones, and most are in the middle. Not a few of the people who mod 100+ subreddits are there...
I mean, he's not completely wrong - I know some powermods and some corrupt teams. I also know some good ones, and most are in the middle. Not a few of the people who mod 100+ subreddits are there just because they are experts at wrangling CSS, automod regex, and spam, something they do for hundreds of subreddits without modding that subreddit's content much, if at all. If reddit actually had decent tools most of that would never have happened.
The god-king model and mod hierarchy stinks - that's gotta go. It falls apart too fast and it's too easy for bad actors to take over. We can do a lot better than that.
I just came here after seeing your post on /r/videos. It looks like you stickies it, but I’m not seeing it on the sub’s front page when I refresh the feed on Apollo.
I just came here after seeing your post on /r/videos. It looks like you stickies it, but I’m not seeing it on the sub’s front page when I refresh the feed on Apollo.
It’s the right call, as much as it sucks, I’m sure the end result is that you get ousted and Reddit forces the doors open again. Replacing all the dedicated moderations with conscripts is sure to...
It’s the right call, as much as it sucks, I’m sure the end result is that you get ousted and Reddit forces the doors open again. Replacing all the dedicated moderations with conscripts is sure to kill the content quality. I’m glad you and the team are prepared for the inevitable though.
Honest question. Can you delete all posts on the way out the door? I'm not sure that would even be a decent thing to do, just wondering from a technical perspective. Just nuke the entire place....
Honest question. Can you delete all posts on the way out the door?
I'm not sure that would even be a decent thing to do, just wondering from a technical perspective.
Just nuke the entire place. Wipe out all subscriptions, wipe all posts. Shut it down. Walk away. When they come back in to turn it on, everything is gone.
Yes, you absolutely can. I just posted a comment above in this thread on how to do this, and there is a more detailed comment in my Reddit history if you need more info. And that's just one way....
Ah, thanks. Shame. I do see the value in having it set up that way, but this here is the one time I'd want that function. I agree about users doing their own content takedown in all modes...
Ah, thanks. Shame. I do see the value in having it set up that way, but this here is the one time I'd want that function.
I agree about users doing their own content takedown in all modes available to them. I'm not in the EU, but I've located tools for overwriting all of my comments to hopefully put whatever dent in the machine that I can.
I mean, is it possible as a moderator to burn it all down behind you? I mean... They would possibly deserve it. Reddit as a company has turned that corner I can't support any longer.
I mean, is it possible as a moderator to burn it all down behind you?
I mean... They would possibly deserve it. Reddit as a company has turned that corner I can't support any longer.
Off-topic: This post is now on the very top of /r/all, and Tildes is directly linked. I imagine there are quite a number of folks lurking and perhaps looking at ways to be invited. (Hello if...
Off-topic: This post is now on the very top of /r/all, and Tildes is directly linked. I imagine there are quite a number of folks lurking and perhaps looking at ways to be invited. (Hello if that's you!)
Is there a way to add a site banner to Tildes? Something that says "Tildes is currently invite-only, and due to the recent influx of visitors, we have paused giving out new invites to users. If you are still interested in joining Tildes, please reach out to invites@tildes.net / the /r/Tildes subreddit / wait for the next open invite thread." Maybe even just a pinned glowy-orange admin post? Just so that people checking out Tildes are aware of the current state of the site...
I've gotten over 700 invite-request emails already this morning and they're still coming in at about 1 per minute, so I think more than enough people are figuring it out.
I've gotten over 700 invite-request emails already this morning and they're still coming in at about 1 per minute, so I think more than enough people are figuring it out.
Sorry! I probably should have asked before directly linking to the site, but I've been promoting it all week in my circles. 4am brain got to me I guess
Sorry! I probably should have asked before directly linking to the site, but I've been promoting it all week in my circles. 4am brain got to me I guess
If nothing else, it worked as an impromptu way for me to verify I was right when I said the current Tildes server would be able to handle a lot more traffic. A prominent link to here from a post...
/r/videos mods are an upstanding bunch. The longstanding rules there about requiring video hosts that protect content creators' rights and making sure they are compensated—YouTube being the de...
/r/videos mods are an upstanding bunch. The longstanding rules there about requiring video hosts that protect content creators' rights and making sure they are compensated—YouTube being the de facto standard—show just how committed the mods there are to supporting the creators.
Even when Reddit started hosting their own videos and users clamored to be able to upload videos directly to Reddit, the /r/videos mods stood their ground and disallowed those submissions, as Reddit does no copyright checks, or only the bare minimum of enforcement. Big respect for the mods having this policy to protect content creators, especially indies.
You're probably one of the only people outside the mod team who actually realized the point of those rules. One of the mods on our team /u/Abrownn actually spends an insane amount of time sniffing...
You're probably one of the only people outside the mod team who actually realized the point of those rules. One of the mods on our team /u/Abrownn actually spends an insane amount of time sniffing out astroturfers and vote cheaters site wide (for free.) Far more effort than the admins have done for years, they've basically just given up on trying to combat freebooted content and spam.
I made Abrownn a mod in listentothis for the same reason. Dude is a relentless spam assassin of the highest caliber. He had a livestream at one point where he was teaching people how to use the...
I made Abrownn a mod in listentothis for the same reason. Dude is a relentless spam assassin of the highest caliber. He had a livestream at one point where he was teaching people how to use the mod toolbox and some other tricks to hunt that shit and kill it. He was constantly fighting with russian bot farms that were selling blocks of reddit acounts, 20 at a time, pre-farmed, years old, with 10k+ karma each, for $5. And we wonder why reddit is a cesspool.
No Russians, just to clarify. Lots of other nations visibly, provably fucking around on Reddit, but no Russians that I've seen. The admins have detailed a few Russian operations over the years but...
No Russians, just to clarify. Lots of other nations visibly, provably fucking around on Reddit, but no Russians that I've seen. The admins have detailed a few Russian operations over the years but all fell flat or were too limited in scope. That Iranian ring I busted was the longest running and most successful (despite the admins claims of "lack of reach/impact" - I can recall near-weekly occurrences of front page posts from their fake sites via r/WorldNews and r/Conspiracy)) but nothing has come close since then.
Reddit isn't like Twitter - Reddit is hard to operate influence operations like that on. All the dumbfucks people see parroting extremist disinfo are unfortunately nothing but your mis/disinformed countrymen - not Russian bots.
Still have those livestreams? I think it would be a really, really good idea if you showed people here what we had to deal with on reddit. It will blow their minds.
Still have those livestreams? I think it would be a really, really good idea if you showed people here what we had to deal with on reddit. It will blow their minds.
Long time no see! Copies of them? Yeah, but they're not particularly high quality. Doing it in private to mod friends was fine but doing it publicly just helps manipulators learn how to avoid...
Long time no see!
Copies of them? Yeah, but they're not particularly high quality. Doing it in private to mod friends was fine but doing it publicly just helps manipulators learn how to avoid being spotted. That's why I haven't told the admins about 90% of the astroturf firms I track.
You know, if you wrote all of that up as a nice expose sometime when you're ready to ditch reddit, I think it would get some pretty fierce traction and cause people to take a stark look at what...
You know, if you wrote all of that up as a nice expose sometime when you're ready to ditch reddit, I think it would get some pretty fierce traction and cause people to take a stark look at what the 'internet' has devolved into. It might do some good. You have quite an archive of evidence at your fingertips and I'm sure nobody knows it all as well as you do.
People know it's all being manipulated, but you can show them how it's being manipulated.
Yeah I've thought about that - just dump my notes and delete my account in a fit of ennui some day... I've pinpointed what criteria might make me do that, the issue is when that criteria will be...
Yeah I've thought about that - just dump my notes and delete my account in a fit of ennui some day... I've pinpointed what criteria might make me do that, the issue is when that criteria will be met. Probably within 2 years. We'll see.
If you need more Tildes invites for any of the other /r/videos mods, @OBLIVIATER, let me know. /r/videos was by far my most visited subreddit back in the day... as you may be able to tell from my...
I mean, one thing I'd almost suggest instead for moderators resigning is to delete all your moderation bots and just go absentee with no warning. Let the rot show for what it is. It'll take longer...
I mean, one thing I'd almost suggest instead for moderators resigning is to delete all your moderation bots and just go absentee with no warning.
Let the rot show for what it is. It'll take longer for Reddit to notice.
I think part of the motivation is to deny Reddit the traffic coming from search. Leave the subs open and the site will still receive traffic from Google et al, the results will just be garbage. If...
I think part of the motivation is to deny Reddit the traffic coming from search. Leave the subs open and the site will still receive traffic from Google et al, the results will just be garbage. If there's one thing that's apparent, it's that spez and crew don't really care if the site turns to garbage as long as it's profitable garbage.
It's a shame 4chan has fallen so hard. This is precisely the sort of thing Anon would've directed their hacktivism lasers toward back in the day. I guess the paymasters in the Kremlin have bigger...
It's a shame 4chan has fallen so hard. This is precisely the sort of thing Anon would've directed their hacktivism lasers toward back in the day. I guess the paymasters in the Kremlin have bigger fish to fry atm.
Good on you folks! It's only tangentially related, but things like this, where people realize they have strength in numbers and utilize it for good, always reminds me the story of McDonalds in...
Good on you folks! It's only tangentially related, but things like this, where people realize they have strength in numbers and utilize it for good, always reminds me the story of McDonalds in Denmark.
Good for you. I know doing this must really hurt after all the hard work you and the other mods have put in over the years but I don't see how you can do anything else. If I was a mod anywhere I'd...
Good for you. I know doing this must really hurt after all the hard work you and the other mods have put in over the years but I don't see how you can do anything else. If I was a mod anywhere I'd be doing the same.
It doesn't feel great that's for sure, but I was also a much different (and younger) person when I started on reddit. It's been an avenue for many awesome experiences in my life and it even got me...
It doesn't feel great that's for sure, but I was also a much different (and younger) person when I started on reddit. It's been an avenue for many awesome experiences in my life and it even got me my career in trust and safety, and to that I'm grateful. But its time to move on, Reddit is no longer the place is it was a decade ago, and it hasn't been for quite some time. Often it makes me angry, petty, argumentative, cynical, and just generally unhappy. It's not a fun place to spend my time anymore.
This. I'm hoping Tildes, Lemmy, and others prove to be something better. I've pulled back from all admin, mod, and community management after doing so for ages. I've become a lurker because I'm...
This.
I'm hoping Tildes, Lemmy, and others prove to be something better. I've pulled back from all admin, mod, and community management after doing so for ages. I've become a lurker because I'm tired and definitely don't have energy to deal with a lot of the negativity out there now. The third party app I used for Reddit allowed me to curate a much more positive experience and now that's gone.
It turns out my partner has the official Reddit app on their phone. I asked them to show me the app because it's been years since I've looked at it. Good grief. What an intolerable mess.
All seasons change. All seasons come and go. Reddit created a lot of great moments. It was great for a lot of reasons. Now I look forward to what the future holds elsewhere.
No, I'm not depressed about all this. You are! 😭 Okay okay seriously though. Lots of hope moving forward. 💜🙏
Lemmy is not bad, but I think the folks registering direct to beehaw have the right idea. I was digging on Squabbles.io as well, their dual-column view is kinda funky and I am down with anything...
Lemmy is not bad, but I think the folks registering direct to beehaw have the right idea. I was digging on Squabbles.io as well, their dual-column view is kinda funky and I am down with anything that shakes up the traditional thread model. It does that a little bit. I'm not sure if I like it, or if I hate it, but when it comes to threads anything different is good. Threads have got to evolve.
I'm all for innovation, especially when it works, but: threads are a great topology for conversation! Every node is branch-able, and yet the entire thing can be traversed in an intuitive way such...
I'm all for innovation, especially when it works, but: threads are a great topology for conversation! Every node is branch-able, and yet the entire thing can be traversed in an intuitive way such that nothing is missed. For the most part, similarity in topic ~ distance in thread, providing a great way for the overall thread to stay organized. I'm pro thread!
Threads on Tildes, threads on Reddit, threads on any site you can think of - they all are more or less the same thing. There's just this wall of nested comments with some mainly superficial bells...
Threads on Tildes, threads on Reddit, threads on any site you can think of - they all are more or less the same thing. There's just this wall of nested comments with some mainly superficial bells and whistles like flairs or gilding or highlights. Frankly I think there's some work to do busting that old sacred chestnut of design. There are probably other ways to manage a thread, possibly many, with some more suited for one type of community or another. We don't think about that stuff anymore, though. People just take the threads themselves for granted. I get exited by anything different, even if it sucks and fails. We might learn something useful from those experiments.
Edit: That reply box can still trick me into making the wrong replies in the wrong spots sometimes. :P
I'm always open to doing better, but I'm hard pressed to think of any other layouts and configurations that could work better. I say this with aggregated linking websites such as this in mind....
I'm always open to doing better, but I'm hard pressed to think of any other layouts and configurations that could work better. I say this with aggregated linking websites such as this in mind.
Context is everything. Different mediums already have different context. Threading has always been extremely helpful for many of them. I'm thinking of software like Slack, where choosing to thread rather than replying to the channel (as if it were a chat) makes a substantial impact in organization and clarity.
I found myself in a similar emotional space after 15 years in a company that changed for the worse during my time there. It took me months to realize that by moving on I had set myself free from a...
I found myself in a similar emotional space after 15 years in a company that changed for the worse during my time there. It took me months to realize that by moving on I had set myself free from a mode of unhappiness I had not even realized had become my norm.
I would like to echo others in offering you my admiration and thanks. The integrity you are showing is of immeasurable worth. Cheers.
Good on you, genuinely. It’s entirely baffling to me that Reddit relies on volunteer work to moderate, and then kicks those volunteers in the teeth. It’s demoralising and disrespectful. As soon as...
Good on you, genuinely. It’s entirely baffling to me that Reddit relies on volunteer work to moderate, and then kicks those volunteers in the teeth. It’s demoralising and disrespectful. As soon as my data backup arrives, I’ll be deleting my account and leave - let’s hope Tildes will fare better.
Damn, props to you, can't be easy to walk away completely like that. Seems like r/Music is going indefinitely as well; I wish I could say I think these massive subs going offline will force them...
Damn, props to you, can't be easy to walk away completely like that. Seems like r/Music is going indefinitely as well; I wish I could say I think these massive subs going offline will force them to the table, but the cynical part of me is pretty sure they'll just take over... Still, even if they do that this is a big move, and the PR of booting the team would be horrific.
Nice, glad to see this. I think that the resignation of mods will be the highest impacting action that Redditors can take. It will force staff to work to find new mods (or do it themselves), and...
Nice, glad to see this. I think that the resignation of mods will be the highest impacting action that Redditors can take. It will force staff to work to find new mods (or do it themselves), and will likely cause power struggles and lower quality content. I love the Tildes shout-out on your post too.
Install Old Reddit Redirect on Firefox or Chrome and every reddit link you ever click on will land you right on the old.reddit version no matter what reddit does to the interface of the site or to...
Install Old Reddit Redirect on Firefox or Chrome and every reddit link you ever click on will land you right on the old.reddit version no matter what reddit does to the interface of the site or to ignore your own profile settings. I'm quite sure old.reddit is soon to be on the chopping block too, so enjoy it while it lasts.
A simpler option for people like @rish is to go into their Reddit user settings page, on the Account tab, and scroll down to the bottom to find the option that says "Opt out of the redesign"....
A simpler option for people like @rish is to go into their Reddit user settings page, on the Account tab, and scroll down to the bottom to find the option that says "Opt out of the redesign". Switch on that option, and you'll always see old.reddit.com, no matter how you arrive at the site (assuming you leave your account signed in, of course).
If this becomes the trend, it's going to be concerning to see posts that were previously indexed on search engines dry up altogether. I used to have a custom Google search that targeted web forums...
If this becomes the trend, it's going to be concerning to see posts that were previously indexed on search engines dry up altogether. I used to have a custom Google search that targeted web forums (after Google took that search option away). Then I made one for reddit after awhile. It's been invaluable for finding answers to niche questions. There will possibly be a wealth of knowledge quickly drying up...this is scary, considering it's harder than ever to find real answers online posted by real people.
There is an active project trying to archive as much of reddit as possible before the API change. You and others can help with this: https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/142l1i0
This is a shame I admit. But we have also have had many a troubleshooting session here on Tildes. I think we can help fill that void. I've even not shied from asking Googlable questions merely...
This is a shame I admit. But we have also have had many a troubleshooting session here on Tildes. I think we can help fill that void.
I've even not shied from asking Googlable questions merely because someone with experience can help filter bad results for a newbie, and help point to better resources (like reccomending "automate the boring stuff" for Python beginners).
I'm currently working my way through Automate the Boring Stuff. I've encountered a handful of sections that are broken in modern python. StackOverflow has been great for troubleshooting solutions...
I'm currently working my way through Automate the Boring Stuff. I've encountered a handful of sections that are broken in modern python. StackOverflow has been great for troubleshooting solutions for the outdated sections of the book, but Reddit has also picked up some of the slack. ChatGPT takes a lot of coaching, but will eventually arrive at usable code if you're persistent.
This is so true. I’ve also found recently that search engines return no useful results for certain subjects and that adding “reddit” as a search term is the only way to find useful information....
This is so true. I’ve also found recently that search engines return no useful results for certain subjects and that adding “reddit” as a search term is the only way to find useful information.
Which makes me think maybe I should start spending a few minutes every day posting high-value starter content or “hey I found a solution for this and am posting in case it helps someone in the future” posts.
I mod /r/design and a few others and I’m done with Reddit once I turn off the subs on Monday. I used redact to delete my 13 years of post and comment history. Toodles.
I mod /r/design and a few others and I’m done with Reddit once I turn off the subs on Monday. I used redact to delete my 13 years of post and comment history.
I can definitely see them taking over the defaults and kicking you all off the mod team but it'll be interesting to see how they handle the permanent shut down of hundreds of communities. I'm sure...
I can definitely see them taking over the defaults and kicking you all off the mod team but it'll be interesting to see how they handle the permanent shut down of hundreds of communities. I'm sure they could get other users to step up and take mod responsibilities once they run out of Reddit staff and power mods to hand responsibilities to but then you're left with potentially hundreds of communities serving millions of users with mods that are completely new to the role with no legacy support or training from longer serving mods.
Either way, it was a powerful last message before the community goes private and the right thing to do.
I'm quite sure many will be normally recycled as they lose moderators, get deleted, and get reappropriated in the normal course of action. The brain drain will be the biggest thing I think,...
I'm quite sure many will be normally recycled as they lose moderators, get deleted, and get reappropriated in the normal course of action.
The brain drain will be the biggest thing I think, there's a lot of institutional knowledge that's goinf away here that Reddit's communities were built on. Without that I bet Reddit will be worse off.
Reddit's biggest value was their knowledgeable communities imo. The terminal power posters who knew about random topics who made detailed posts basically made everyone have to append "reddit" at...
Reddit's biggest value was their knowledgeable communities imo. The terminal power posters who knew about random topics who made detailed posts basically made everyone have to append "reddit" at the end of their Google searches because those were the only posts you could find online that were written by humans and not SEO blogspam trying to promote products. The last 5 years I have actually slowly transitioned to not use reddit recommendations anymore as bots and spammers started taking over the site to promote products on recommendation subreddits.
Thanks for making a stand and for all your hard work over the years. It's hard to see Reddit coming around after the last few weeks of drama, but even if they did they have burnt a lot of bridges...
Thanks for making a stand and for all your hard work over the years. It's hard to see Reddit coming around after the last few weeks of drama, but even if they did they have burnt a lot of bridges with long standing members of the community.
Hopefully we can find a home for the quality contributors over here who want to be part of a nicer and more thoughtful community. It's a shame we can't let more people in at once, but I fully understand not wanting 3 million new sign ups ruining things for the existing community here.
Very happy to see the mod team of one of the flagship subs drawling a line in the sand. Hopefully more follow suit. The hubris reddit leadership is showing in this matter is inexcusable. They...
Very happy to see the mod team of one of the flagship subs drawling a line in the sand. Hopefully more follow suit.
The hubris reddit leadership is showing in this matter is inexcusable. They should know better than anyone not to take their userbase for granted.. especially considering how they largely benefited from their biggest competitor doing exactly that a decade ago.
Looks like you were added as a mod there on 2014-05-24 -- a little over 9 years ago. Almost a decade moderating a sub with a subscriber count of roughly the population of Australia (26.7M). What...
Looks like you were added as a mod there on 2014-05-24 -- a little over 9 years ago.
Almost a decade moderating a sub with a subscriber count of roughly the population of Australia (26.7M). What did you do to deserve that Sisyphean punishment??
But, honestly, thank you for helping make Reddit what it was.
Its actually longer than 9 years, we had a mod account get hacked and demod everyone, so the time got reset haha. I forget the exact time but I think it was a little over 10 years
Its actually longer than 9 years, we had a mod account get hacked and demod everyone, so the time got reset haha. I forget the exact time but I think it was a little over 10 years
The idea has been floated to turn r/mead into a notebook fan reddit and disallow alcohol discussions. I kind of like it, but I don't intend to be very active on moderation going forward.
The idea has been floated to turn r/mead into a notebook fan reddit and disallow alcohol discussions. I kind of like it, but I don't intend to be very active on moderation going forward.
There’s a whole subculture where subs mean some something totally other than what they seem. An uprising of this sort would definitely convolute Reddit enough to make it unappetizing for new users...
There’s a whole subculture where subs mean some something totally other than what they seem. An uprising of this sort would definitely convolute Reddit enough to make it unappetizing for new users while keeping the FU inside joke alive for the disenfranchised (until they kill it).
Thank you for recommending Tildes! I was disappointed at first that it was invite only. But after leaving a comment on that Reddit thread, someone shot me a message asking if I would like an...
Thank you for recommending Tildes! I was disappointed at first that it was invite only. But after leaving a comment on that Reddit thread, someone shot me a message asking if I would like an invite, so here I am.
As for the design of Tiles, I think it is somewhat reminiscent of the Reddit is Fun app in terms of minimalism and ease of use. I would like there to be more topics though.
I feel the same way - I like that Tildes is simple like RIF and focuses on content instead of noise. I think more topics could come with growth, but I kinda like that the lack of a firehose of...
I feel the same way - I like that Tildes is simple like RIF and focuses on content instead of noise. I think more topics could come with growth, but I kinda like that the lack of a firehose of content forces me to sign off sooner than Reddit did. For me who probably spent too much time on Reddit for my own good, that's only a good thing.
The Reddit people loved is going to die anyway so I support these preemptive strikes. Too many people think Reddit is too big to fail and they’re in for a rude awakening.
The Reddit people loved is going to die anyway so I support these preemptive strikes.
Too many people think Reddit is too big to fail and they’re in for a rude awakening.
I think the majority of new users are not nostalgic about what reddit once was. These are the users buying avatars and awards and are part of the decision to capitalize. Unfortunately this is par...
I think the majority of new users are not nostalgic about what reddit once was. These are the users buying avatars and awards and are part of the decision to capitalize.
Unfortunately this is par for the course in capitalism. There is no going back, no matter what mods do.
I hope I'm wrong and this is the exception, but history tells the truth. Even if reddit dies, this will happen to the next website and it will continue to happen to every site that gets big enough to generate money.
I see r/videos is still private. Stay strong, I'm with you! If you know moderators from other big subreddits, relay the message, please. You all must stay strong and remain private! Reddit doesn't...
I see r/videos is still private. Stay strong, I'm with you! If you know moderators from other big subreddits, relay the message, please. You all must stay strong and remain private! Reddit doesn't deserve any better (yet, maybe never).
Anyone know what type of posts I can make on reddit that are unfriendly to advertisers, but won't get me banned? I'm not a very good troll, but trolling is all theres left to do on the few...
Anyone know what type of posts I can make on reddit that are unfriendly to advertisers, but won't get me banned? I'm not a very good troll, but trolling is all theres left to do on the few subreddits that arnt taking a stand
People have usually been requesting the Internet Archive to archive these links before they go offline. That link is archived and is available here....
People have usually been requesting the Internet Archive to archive these links before they go offline. That link is archived and is available here.
Apologies if anyone is sick of all the Reddit drama, but I wanted to share something that was important to me. Effective tomorrow /r/videos is shutting down. I shared a lot of my thoughts in the post but I'll share a couple more here. I know this is likely a symbolic gesture because I'm fairly confident reddit will just kick us out and bring the subreddit back up, but after being on the mod team for over a decade its going to be interesting to see how things even function if they decide to take that route.
They'll definitely wind up taking over the basic shut down subs like /r/videos because they're easy SEO. We'll see what happens afterward, but I can't see them letting subs that are now at least defacto defaults just die.
That's not a lack of support for the protest. Even if I'll still use Reddit as I usually fo (lots of small useful communities), I'm not opposed, nor would I be mad at, people burning down what they have built for the platform in protest. in fact, if every community I was a member of decided to nuke itself I would support it.
I do wonder if that is what it should take to actually gain the leverage users and moderators would need to force Reddit to the table to negotiate the API prices. The blackouts aren't going to do anything, in my opinion. Most are for only two days, Reddit will just wait them out. And if only a small number of subs go inactive permanently, then they'll just hand the sub over to other power mods.
For this to actually work, all the power and/or experienced mods would need to effectively go on strike, so to speak. They need to be willing to walk away from Reddit and let the admins scramble to figure out who to hand dozens of subreddits to with millions users, and those hypothetical new mods would need to be thrown into the deep end on how to manage communities with millions of subscribers each.
I would wager there would not be enough people to want to volunteer to do that so suddenly, and those who would are likely not experienced enough to do so well.
But, I doubt power mods on Reddit would be willing to risk everything, so to speak, in enough numbers for this, and personally as a ten year Redditor, I think it's just time to move on. I'm not even mad, sites have died before, or have become untenable to me personally at least. Tildes is very nice for discussion purposes, but I need to figure out a way to replace Reddit for news. Perhaps I will finally look into learning how RSS feeds work.
There's only one thing: money.
Without a massive drop in revenue (ad impressions, reddit premium subscriptions), nothing will force them to reverse course.
Even all of the bad PR will blow over in a couple of months and all of this will only be a couple of sentences in any articles about the IPO later this year.
All they care about is across the IPO finish line. There are enough casual users who won't notice that most of the content is coming from karma farming repost bots, and the way that /r/popular works means that they can't really be held hostage by even mass blackouts because there aren't any default subs; as long as there are any active subs, there will still be content on popular.
You're probably right, but I would feel worse if I knew that I just sat down and let it roll over me. At least with this I know that we tried to make a stand, even if it's ultimately fruitless.
This too shall pass
Do subreddit mods have the power to delete posts? Deleting every single post on /r/video ever posted would be quite the show, even if they ultimately just rolled the changes back.
On Reddit:
Users delete their own posts.
Moderators remove other users' posts.
A user deleting their own post will take that post entirely off all Reddit's visible interfaces. A back-up copy of the post is still stored for back-up purposes and for potential law enforcement investigations, but that's not visible to any person viewing Reddit: it's in the database only, not on any front-end user-facing interface.
A moderator removing someone else's post only hides that post from view within the subreddit it has been removed from. The post is still visible on the user history page of the user who posted it; anyone on Reddit can view that.
So... no, moderators can't delete posts on Reddit.
And, even if they did, there's back-up copies of everything posted on Reddit, kept on the database for at least as long as the laws of the U.S. require tech firms to keep backups, for law enforcement agencies (e.g. a police agency serving a warrant for child pornography posted by a suspect in the past X months).
This is true for comments and link posts. Content form text posts and img/video hosted on reddit will not be visible in the poster's history (except for mods on the sub in question).
Oh, I absolutely think this is the right thing to do, even if I believe that it will ultimately be fruitless.
Reddit knew it would be wildly unpopular, which is why they delayed doing this for as long as they could, but they absolutely should feel the repercussions of their decisions.
Even if it doesn't hurt their bottom line, it will stop take its toll on the overall morale of the employees and expose Reddit Inc.'s real motivations.
I agree money is the main factor, and part of the reason why I think a sitewide mod strike, rather than sub blackouts, might work, if only as a very risky long shot.
If Reddit wants to keep the site palatable for advertisers in the wake of a presumative and hypothetical rise in trolling and spam, and fails to find enough replacement volunteer mods, then they might have to finally consider paid mod positions. We know they've already allowed their employee base to balloon to 2000, likely following the overhiring trend from the pandemic. They announced layoffs earlier this week, though only a minor wave compared to other companies.
Spending more on payroll might not be something they want, but again, I realize this is a long shot and unlikely to take off in the first place because I don't see power mods resigning en masse as likely, and this is assuming that enough bad actors from lack of moderation act in a manner that is noticeable and disruptive.
If mods drop off in really high numbers they wouldn't be able to replace them fast enough with hired employees without spending a lot of money or with free labor without vetting them very well. The second one could cause scandals, since new mods might have their own agendas.
I think the ship has sailed. Spez's snubbing of the community imho is what will set this over the top. Doesn't matter if they come back and change their mind. Short of removing Spez and hitting rewind pre-redesign it aint gettin it's magic back.
Looks like Stabby is still fighting the good fight, good for them.
RIP /r/listentothis. :P
So long, and thanks for all the tunes you first class lunatics. <3
Give them hell, Stabby. Live up to that username.
If I were still the head mod there I'd do the same thing. I might do one thing differently, though... everyone going dark is such 'nice' a way to handle this. Maybe my inner troll would rather whip up the users into a frenzy and let them burn it down with a tsunami of submissions and shitposting that could brick the site's backbone. Bury it under a wave of shit that will give any investor a nightmare just looking at it, and beat it to death with a hundred new bot tools.
Maybe that's just because I'm still salty that reddit ruined the spiritual successor to alt.binaries.mp3. :P Such a long way from how it began, no? Well, I have good news - Tildes mechanics are more conducive to music already. That downvote problem is fucking solved - it became the labels.
We have Tildes, and all the ex-listentothis cratediggers who are here now to keep ~music banging. I should go over there and set up a back door to get the music people into tildes. They are a good fit for this place. Music people are chilled out people. They don't start flamewars, but they know how to finish them.
I'll also make a note that the magic bot that runs listentothis is open source code and it will save us some time in the future when it's time to get metadata-crazy. We are not losing everything - that bot knows how to interrogate the internet for useful information about music. Someday it'll help make mycketforvirrad's job a lot easier.
Another job lost to automation :(
I kid I kid! I absolutely adored /r/listentothis and found a ton of new music that way. I'd be very excited if we could get more of that community over here. I've still got lots of invites I can hand out.
These people are very, very easy to spot. Their submission histories look like a music subreddit does. Racks of tracks for the stacks. I know who I am inviting first. Meet reddit's least well known yet most unfathomably excellent music submitter of all time.
Incidentally, the /r/listentous model is the 'Tildes' way to start a track sharing group. Maybe we don't have to go quite so far as holding elections like this but I think the idea of letting a handful different users take the place for a spin each week produced the finest track selections I have seen in any online space. It's a fine starting point.
Interesting notice... proof that PowerDelete doesn't get all of your comments. I ran it on my account long ago (like daily for a week) but my entry in that election is still there. I wonder if you can tell which one it was.
Just so you know, you absolutely can get ALL your comments deleted on Reddit, if you use your GDPR data to do so. You can go all the way back to the beginning of your account, no matter how old, if Reddit still has that data on you.
I just posted a comment above in this thread on how to do this, and there is a more detailed comment in my Reddit history if you need more info.
That is very good to know, thank you!
I wonder how close to possible it would be for Redditors to collectively buy up the IPO and turn the company not-for-profit. I don't mean how plausible it would be, that's not a question. I mean just the logistical possibility of it.
Logistically, I think you would have to buy out everyone's shares in order to take it private again (which does happen to companies) and then you could file for a status change.
You wouldn't want to buy up the IPO though. I imagine like most tech IPOs, the price will drop significantly immediately after the offering.
Will the shares that are going to be sold during ipo even include voting rights?
I imagine they want to maximize share value at IPO, so probably? Why would the investment heavy hitters throw tons of money at the stock if they weren't voting shares? If there's one thing the investment houses should've learned by now, it's that social media is crazy unstable.
IIRC, RSS is dying out, but best of luck, and look for alternatives. I dont know what they are.
On-topic, I don't think a three day blackout will work because it won't affect the site beyond the blackout. Most users are likely app users, and most of them on the official app, so I'd wager many simply don't know or care. Example: everybody I know on Reddit doesn't know about or talk about this issue. That doesn't mean this isn't a big deal, but it does mean that it would likely just be business as usual.
A big power flex of volunteer communities destroying themselves may, unfortunately, be the best solution, but Reddit will likely heal any and all resulting wounds, sort of like stabbing a bowl of Jell-O and putting it back in the fridge.
Its a shame... RSS solves the notification problem client side, while still leaving the client in control of how and when to consume.
Is rss dying out? I haven't found a site yet that doesn't support it. They certainly don't advertise it anymore, but it's usually still there.
They likely will do something to reclaim the biggest subs, but when they do that will only throw fuel onto the fire and spook a lot of other moderators.
I have the utmost respect for this decision and appreciate all your hard work and efforts you did for the r/videos community voluntarily.
After that disastrous AMA yesterday, this is the right way to go, with the small hope that something might change. Thank you!
Update: r/iPhone (3.82 mil subscribers) as one of the big subreddits joins the decision of closing down indefinitely.
I am certain your action, alongside others, have helped many mods / admins make this hard decision of shutting down indefinitely.
Nevertheless, I have to say thanks to the whole mess, I found this wonderful small community here which I am actively reading now for 3 days - this is my first post.
Nice discussions, interesting articles and inputs, and actually a place where the human aspect is highly respected.
And it begins.
This is how reddit ends. Not with a bang, but with the deafening silence of it's communities closing. With enough momentum and enough subs there wouldn't be much to do about it. Sure, they'll remove mods and replace them, but there simply aren't enough experienced people to replace them all and they're killing the apps and tools that make them work, including many a home grown mod tool run by the mods of those subs for those subs.
Spot on. Subs will close, admins will step in and remove/replace mods with people (well-meaning or not) who don't have a sound understanding of the heart and soul of the communities they're now charged with moderating, and those communities will either wither and die or morph into something completely unrecognisable — and not in a good way.
I'm at a loss for words over everything happening. Honestly it'll be quite a long time before I'm not at a loss. This sounds cheap but: Thank you. Thank you for being on our side. We have always been on yours.
I don't know what the future looks like. I see so much optimism that the community bonds that have grown and been nurtured for so many years can survive, even be revitalized, and thrive, regardless of where that ends up being. I believe it. It'll take time and a lot of work but things can be better.
I've been trying to write the next paragraph this entire morning but it's just not coming out. Sorry. I'll just post as is.
I use reddit is fun every single day. I bought the premium version years ago and have been mooching ever since. I wasn't just going to roll over and let them kick you to the curb. Reddit made this decision easy for me and for everyone else by their actions over the past few weeks.
P.S. let me beta test the tildes app sometime ;)
Rif is one of the few apps I've ever paid money for, and the only Reddit client. It's just that good. It's obvious that you understood what was great about Reddit – understood it better than the people who created it, obviously.
It sucks to walk away from a site I've used so regularly for so long (12 years on my primary account, but a user for much longer than that), but I can't abide the way they've treated you and your fellow devs. You folks are the only reason that site has been tolerable to use for the last few years.
I'm really looking forward to what you come up with next.
I was on Reddit for almost 12 years. For about half of that, RIF was the only way I used the site. It's not just my favorite Reddit app, it's one of my favorite apps ever. Fast, reliable, well laid out, easy on the eyes. Did everything I wanted and nothing I didn't. It was one of the few apps that didn't heat up my phone and kill the battery on long trips. I'm going to miss using it. Count me in as part of the group that's eager to try the Tildes app.
Sick of it or not, I hope I always have enough of a heart to support what is right.
This entire thing has been nothing short of foul.
And if you ever start to wonder about the wisdom or the ethicality of your decision, remember that above and beyond the lies and the defamation and the callousness and the greed, they have proven finally and irrevocably that the disabled are not only an afterthought, but 100% disposable.
That's not good business, that's sociopathy and the cruelty of indifference. In short, it is what many people would call evil.
I have deleted ten years worth of comments and posts myself in the last 48 hours, largely because I simply won't be part of it.
Yes, they probably will just seize your sub, and do who knows what with it.
But we know who you are, and what you did, and why you did it.
It doesn't matter that a last stand doesn't work. What matters is the people that make them, and WHY, even though they know they are probably going down in flames.
No one can get you those countless hours of time and care and energy back, true enough. And this will only be the first humiliation of many, because you will be slandered, and the story will be rewritten by the victors, nastily and mercilessly and dishonestly, because that is Spez's way. It will get temporarily worse before it gets better, and I think you are well aware of that, though it will come as a shock when it happens.
But when all is said and done, you knew what you had to do, and you did it at great personal cost, and you did it simply because it is the right thing to do.
I'm glad to know you.
This is absolutely the right thing, and I - along with countless others - are 100% with you, no matter what comes next.
Remember that.
I'm an over 8 year user. I was just going to stop logging on and posting. Not much choice on this since I mostly use Apollo and would never use the official app.
The only real value reddit has is the community posts, comments, and unpaid moderators. I like this plan of deleting all posts and comments and whatever minuscule value I may have added needs to be removed. I know there is a reddit nuke history browser add on that helps with this.
I'm going to wait until after the 12th to see if reddit budges. I know they probably won't.
I made a GDPR data request last week on my accounts, and when I got those back I plugged them into the redact.dev tool, which overcame the Pushshift 1000 comment history cap and allowed me to delete all the way back to 2013. You can use redact.dev with just your profile, but I think you run into that history cap. GDPR is the way to get around it, at least for now, because I think that tool uses API calls to do the edit+deletion of each comment and post.
I'm not quite done with Reddit yet, but when I am, I'll then request a Pushshift deletion to catch anything else, on top of deleting whatever little is on there now.
My content and I - ten years and over 7000 posts/comments - will be 100% gone. Small loss to Reddit, I'm sure, but 100% the right thing to do as I take my content-creating self elsewhere.
I don't blame or judge anyone who stays. I think my main point of contention is that I want people to THINK about what they are doing with their choices and their content, and even if it fails utterly, this whole fiasco is certainly causing many to do just that. Some never will, and that's cool. But I really appreciate the number of thoughtful decisions I'm seeing, yours included.
Yeah, that's what I found as well. It's a pity, as PDS would have let me just edit the comments to protest ones, but I wound up just using Redact to fully delete everything
If you follow the 'Advanced' instructions, it does actually delete everything, the other script is just too fast for the API:
To do the same (basic method):
1. Go to https://codepen.io/j0be/full/WMBWOW and follow the quick and easy directions.
That script runs too fast, so only a portion of comments/posts will be affected. A
"Advanced" (still easy) method:
1. Follow the above steps for the basic method.
2. You will need to edit the bookmark's URL slightly. In the "URL", you will need to change j0be/PowerDeleteSuite to leeola/PowerDeleteSuite. This forked version has code added to slow the script down so that it ensures that every comment gets edited/deleted.
3. Click the bookmark and it will guide you thru the rest of the very quick and easy process.
Note: this method may be very very slow. Maybe it could be better to run the Basic method a few times? If anyone has any suggestions, let us all know!
This is big. Thank you for your decade of service, and the courage to stand your ground.
I'm curious if all r/videos mods are on board? Meaning, if reddit does bust in and remove the disruptive mods, will there be ones left to pick up the pieces? Or are you all leaving?
Everyone who is still active on the team over the last couple weeks is on board. That doesn't include every single mod because a lot of them are inactive, but the people who actually do the work to keep the subreddit running agreed.
Crazy. Think reddit has a resources to run the sub? I actually don't know how many employees are available as mods, or how many man hours it takes.
They could handle it if it were a single large sub, but there's no way they have the resources to pick up after more than a handful. Especially not with how much they've soured the relationship with their most dedicated users. One of the many reasons I quit moderating is because admins wouldn't respond to urgent matters that mods put on a platter for them - all they needed to do was say Confirmed, remove the offending content if necessary, and ban the user. What's going to happen without collaborative, experienced mods as a first line of defense? They often know more than the admins when it comes to site mechanics (and its failures that led to relying on 3rd party tools).
Also a lot of mods got involved with a certain sub because they had a passion for the topic. I modded like 98% music subs because I loved discovering and sharing music. Passion brings motivation, team chemistry, new ideas, etc. - the biggest loss is not simply the sense of community but the intangibles from the people leading those communities. Admins will never be able to recreate organic moments like this even assuming they were given all the resources to be successful. How many times have reddit admins tried to do something "cool" that was just shallowly capitalizing on a recent trend only for it to fail quickly? There's no authenticity. Who remembers reddit made?
In the same vein, one of Reddit's actually good ideas, /r/place, appears to be in the process of being ran into the ground. Back when it was first released on 2017-04-01, it was extremely well received, to the point that every April fools event after that were compared to it and deemed inferior. Until it came back on 2022-04-01, with many rejoicing. And had they kept the pattern that seemed to be establishing, having it show up every five years, it would be an excellent way to showcase how internet culture shifted over the years through the canvas.
... Except there is credible evidence that they're bringing it back again for Reddit's 18th birthday, on 2023-06-23 (notice the convenient timing of it starting about a week before the API changes go into effect). Barely a year after last time. Reactions to that among those who kept up with the news were rather mixed, between those who feel it's way too soon, those who are still weary from the chaos that was managing coordination within their community of choice and communication with the others (which, funnily enough for a Reddit hosted event, mostly happened on Discord), and those who nonetheless feel obligated to plan for getting artwork on the canvas for the communities they represent.
And then the API mess hit, and now spirits are even lower. I even know of a faction made up of a grouping of gacha game communities throwing in the towel and abandoning their plans for this year, leaving the subgroups to pick up the pieces.
I personally will be showing up regardless as a representative of the same group of vtuber fans I was with least year, as I still had fun with /r/place in 2022 and see no reason to let Reddit's dismal behavior take that from me, but I'm also mounting an initiative to bring the API changes protest right to the middle of the canvas. Time will tell whether I'm successful in achieving this. Afterward, that's probably when I'll shred my Reddit account.
What a wonderful idea. <3
I doubt it - and this has always been reddit’s weakness as an organization, it relies on unpaid volunteer labor in the form of thousands of mods.
Does reddit not let you alter the dynamics of a sub, especially one that used to be a past default sub, after you reach X amount of subscribers or something? For example, if you changed the orientation of the videos sub to something that was more esoteric, and you actually added approved users or something but only a few people actually participated, does the mod team not have the right to do that even if you are effectively still using the sub but just for a different purpose?
I'm assuming it's more of a grey area like other things that reddit doesn't explicitly define, and what's more they'd probably come in with something like "You can't exclude all the subscribers" and effectively you'd have to actually moderate all those subscribers conforming to the new esoteric rules, which as a form of protest I doubt any moderator would want to do for an extended period of time, which reddit would of course know that.
Respect from a former /r/music+listentothis mod. I quit in 2018 after doing it about 6 years, but I still keep in contact with people from my mod teams. Despite all the negative parts, it was an overall good ride. I learned a ton of stuff I still use in my job today and have some fond memories. Even got to meet up with some folks in person. I'm sorry it had to end this way, but I appreciate y'all taking what action you can.
This week has reawakened all sorts of emotions I didn’t know I was still holding onto from our time there.
Truly. It felt easier to quit in 2018 than it does to process what's happening right now. Probably because it isn't my choice.
We all saw this coming, and that's the reason we all moved over here and left reddit when Tildes launched.
I remember a very long time ago, when automoderator was a shiny new toy, asking Deimos for a custom feature just for listentothis. That was our old 'curated content' feature. It did work, but like anything one tries to build on top of reddit, it was clunky and hard to get people to understand how to use it. I think it had about 300 people using it at most, and only for a couple of months. What it did do, however, was prove convincingly that a curation model could beat the pants off of a basic, boring voting model. Now we have exemplary comments. Trust me, that's just the beginning of what can happen.
Deimos put that little toy feature in over a weekend just to find out if it would work, for the asking, with zero compensation. That is why I am here now.
Good on you for taking a stance!
Most of us here are coming from reddit, especially with the current drama I don't think it's unusual to have a lot of discussion about it here.
Thanks for all your hard volunteer work modding what must be a crazy place sometimes. I hope once the dust settles something better appears, however we as users must make that happen.
I always felt like the quality of /r/videos dramatically declined after the launch of reddit's native video app. That decline actually impacted my use of reddit overall, and now to see the opportunity to re-build it here excites me. User curated content out-side of the hands of Youtube or Reddit's own personal sorting algorithms is a place that I'm excited to visit and maintain my relationship with.
I'm disappointed to see that a lot of the larger subreddits aren't participating. Like r.askreddit? Haven't seen so much as acknowledgement of the situation. Could've missed something, though.
Edit: Banned from r.askreddit on their "decision" post in response to the blackout lmfao. I was basically asking for it since it makes no difference now anyway. Might as well go on a ban speed run.
Also side note, linking subs with the "r/" tag actually generates a link to Reddit. Removing that now.
Looking at the list of mods of a given large sub, especially the top fifteen or so, will tell you everything you need to know.
These power mods don't actually do the nuts and bolts grind of day to day modding, but they do love to swoop in and muscle from time to time, and the lower mods can't really rebel: if it goes too far they will just get unmodded by those higher in the list.
Also, the further up the mod list you go, the older the account and the more direct line to admin you have. Many of these power mods are also admins themselves. r/askreddit isn't going anywhere.
Even r/bestof, that claims to be supporting the blackout, scrubbed a post critical of the moderator's conference call the other day, and looking at that moderator list it's not hard to see why.
Fact, including the scrubbed r/bestof post.
But don't take my word for it, look for yourself. Go to r/Reddit, look at the list of mods. These are all admins as well as mods, many or all also paid employees. Now look at the list of mods on any big sub of your choice, and note the overlap.
Why do you think any of those people would support the blackout, or better, assume that they will not personally profit in some way from the coming IPO that is driving all of this?
Also, the ordering of the mod list in any sub is not technologically neutral: a lower mod cannot replace or adjust the rights of a mod higher on the list. It is all downward. This is to prevent sub hijacks, and has been a thing forever in many forums, even the phpBB ones. Reddit is no different.
I'm not sure what I said that you are specifically refuting as not factual. Could you tell me what fact I alleged is untrue? I have the link to the now removed r/bestof post. Your admin friend WAS employed by Reddit. At least some still are. And you can literally look at the mod and admin lists and see the rest for yourself. The top subs often have well over 100 mods, and usually only a handful do the grunt work. With respect, even Spez himself is a moderator of 15 subs, and he is most certainly a paid employee:
. . . but his actions are not those of someone who actually has to tweak an automod script daily because the spam bots overrode yesterday's version overnight. He literally sees moderators and users as fungible.
That used to be true. But it just isn't anymore. What you say is 100% correct . . . five years ago. The lower level mods who do the actual work are in a daily battle with bots, automod, bad tools, and unresponsive admin, while the technological advances and increasing numbers of bad actors are steadily encroaching.
But either way, there's a very good chance that Spez et al will in fact take over at least the top subs during the blackout, so we will see for ourselves. Between the fact that mods are not fungible, the native tools are far inferior to the third party ones, and a lot of information specific to moderating that sub just got yeeted by that sub's seizure, I expect that the loss of control to trash on many subs will be swift and overwhelming.
My opinion was painted with a broad brush. The facts I used to support it were not.
And if you look again I was very careful NOT to use all-inclusive language.
That is very clearly not the case, nor do I believe I presented it as such. If you read my statement again carefully, and look at my Reddit account if you like as well (what's left of it) I am very pro mod.
But I would also point out that of the old guard of admins, many more than those who stayed have also left, like your friend. And like your friend, they don't even interact much anymore, if at all. (Example: last I looked, Victoria Taylor kept one "kitty" sub and that is all.) Yet the list of admins and paid employees at Reddit has grown. Given recent events - and even not so recent - do you really think they are against the IPO, or against how Spez is accomplishing that? Are you alleging that Spez is doing this without majority support among his admins?
Because I do not: they are the ones who are going to have to take over the site, and keep it viable, for his IPO to work.
Also, it is a fact that moderator lists are not simply chronological, but the positions therein dictate the rights of all those on it . . . UNLESS you are a site admin. In that case, you have essentially "god rights" over any sub's mod list. Are you disputing this?
With these clarifications in place, I would ask you to read again the original statement you found so non-factual, and ask you again, looking at the mere fact that what is happening at Reddit IS happening, and not in a vacuum without massive admin support:
Is it possible that you overreacted when you labeled my post as not factual?
On Reddit, I'd have walked away already, but here this is important: it dictates how I proceed here. I personally do not make heavy handed false accusations, and primary among them is that I do not label as unfactual or a lie objective statements that are easily proven or disproven, nor do I confuse fact with opinion, nor do I use an attack at fact as a way to argue opinion. I do not believe I have done so here, either.
And for the sake of continuing peace, I need you to address the fact that you categorized my fact-filled post as not factual. This is not an agree/disagree thing, or you "disputing" an opinion, it is you categorizing as false facts that are easily proven or disproven and failing to do so.
It may well be that I do not belong here at Tildes after all, and I don't have much invested here that I can't leave it behind today, but I'd like to stay. So maybe you can specifically address your direct characterization of my statements as non-factual, identifying the false "facts" specifically, and uphold the philosophy I read in the docs. Thank you.
Not cffabro. While I’m not sure they were correct to call your post nonfactual, it does seem to imply, at least from my reading, that all power mods are in cahoots with the admins and don’t actually do modding unless it serves the admins. That may well not be what you were trying to say, but it does sound like that when reading it.
I mean, he's not completely wrong - I know some powermods and some corrupt teams. I also know some good ones, and most are in the middle. Not a few of the people who mod 100+ subreddits are there just because they are experts at wrangling CSS, automod regex, and spam, something they do for hundreds of subreddits without modding that subreddit's content much, if at all. If reddit actually had decent tools most of that would never have happened.
The god-king model and mod hierarchy stinks - that's gotta go. It falls apart too fast and it's too easy for bad actors to take over. We can do a lot better than that.
I just came here after seeing your post on /r/videos. It looks like you stickies it, but I’m not seeing it on the sub’s front page when I refresh the feed on Apollo.
Reddit automatically hides pinned posts for users who've visited a subreddit more than twice.
Apollo doesn’t. In fact, the other two stickied posts are still there, from 5 and 6 days ago.
Subs can only have two stickied posts, so if you already see two posts, the other one isn't stickied.
It’s the right call, as much as it sucks, I’m sure the end result is that you get ousted and Reddit forces the doors open again. Replacing all the dedicated moderations with conscripts is sure to kill the content quality. I’m glad you and the team are prepared for the inevitable though.
Very brave decision for all of you. I hope I can remember your example in my own life. Thank you for all your hard work.
Sorry it came that way but appreciated the work you've done. It must've been thankless and difficult.
Honest question. Can you delete all posts on the way out the door?
I'm not sure that would even be a decent thing to do, just wondering from a technical perspective.
Just nuke the entire place. Wipe out all subscriptions, wipe all posts. Shut it down. Walk away. When they come back in to turn it on, everything is gone.
Yes, you absolutely can. I just posted a comment above in this thread on how to do this, and there is a more detailed comment in my Reddit history if you need more info.
And that's just one way. There are other tools as well, like Power Delete Suite, that also allow you to archive, edit, and then delete your content.
Users can band together and remove their own posts though. But I wonder if reddit would undelete top posts if this happened in significant numbers.
Ah, thanks. Shame. I do see the value in having it set up that way, but this here is the one time I'd want that function.
I agree about users doing their own content takedown in all modes available to them. I'm not in the EU, but I've located tools for overwriting all of my comments to hopefully put whatever dent in the machine that I can.
I mean, is it possible as a moderator to burn it all down behind you?
I mean... They would possibly deserve it. Reddit as a company has turned that corner I can't support any longer.
Off-topic: This post is now on the very top of /r/all, and Tildes is directly linked. I imagine there are quite a number of folks lurking and perhaps looking at ways to be invited. (Hello if that's you!)
Is there a way to add a site banner to Tildes? Something that says "Tildes is currently invite-only, and due to the recent influx of visitors, we have paused giving out new invites to users. If you are still interested in joining Tildes, please reach out to invites@tildes.net / the /r/Tildes subreddit / wait for the next open invite thread." Maybe even just a pinned glowy-orange admin post? Just so that people checking out Tildes are aware of the current state of the site...
I've gotten over 700 invite-request emails already this morning and they're still coming in at about 1 per minute, so I think more than enough people are figuring it out.
Sorry! I probably should have asked before directly linking to the site, but I've been promoting it all week in my circles. 4am brain got to me I guess
If nothing else, it worked as an impromptu way for me to verify I was right when I said the current Tildes server would be able to handle a lot more traffic. A prominent link to here from a post that was #1 in /r/all for a while definitely sent a lot of traffic (and emails, so many emails).
You're the reason I'm here from Reddit! Thank you so much :)
Great news!
/r/videos mods are an upstanding bunch. The longstanding rules there about requiring video hosts that protect content creators' rights and making sure they are compensated—YouTube being the de facto standard—show just how committed the mods there are to supporting the creators.
Even when Reddit started hosting their own videos and users clamored to be able to upload videos directly to Reddit, the /r/videos mods stood their ground and disallowed those submissions, as Reddit does no copyright checks, or only the bare minimum of enforcement. Big respect for the mods having this policy to protect content creators, especially indies.
You're probably one of the only people outside the mod team who actually realized the point of those rules. One of the mods on our team /u/Abrownn actually spends an insane amount of time sniffing out astroturfers and vote cheaters site wide (for free.) Far more effort than the admins have done for years, they've basically just given up on trying to combat freebooted content and spam.
I made Abrownn a mod in listentothis for the same reason. Dude is a relentless spam assassin of the highest caliber. He had a livestream at one point where he was teaching people how to use the mod toolbox and some other tricks to hunt that shit and kill it. He was constantly fighting with russian bot farms that were selling blocks of reddit acounts, 20 at a time, pre-farmed, years old, with 10k+ karma each, for $5. And we wonder why reddit is a cesspool.
No Russians, just to clarify. Lots of other nations visibly, provably fucking around on Reddit, but no Russians that I've seen. The admins have detailed a few Russian operations over the years but all fell flat or were too limited in scope. That Iranian ring I busted was the longest running and most successful (despite the admins claims of "lack of reach/impact" - I can recall near-weekly occurrences of front page posts from their fake sites via r/WorldNews and r/Conspiracy)) but nothing has come close since then.
Reddit isn't like Twitter - Reddit is hard to operate influence operations like that on. All the dumbfucks people see parroting extremist disinfo are unfortunately nothing but your mis/disinformed countrymen - not Russian bots.
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Still have those livestreams? I think it would be a really, really good idea if you showed people here what we had to deal with on reddit. It will blow their minds.
Long time no see!
Copies of them? Yeah, but they're not particularly high quality. Doing it in private to mod friends was fine but doing it publicly just helps manipulators learn how to avoid being spotted. That's why I haven't told the admins about 90% of the astroturf firms I track.
You know, if you wrote all of that up as a nice expose sometime when you're ready to ditch reddit, I think it would get some pretty fierce traction and cause people to take a stark look at what the 'internet' has devolved into. It might do some good. You have quite an archive of evidence at your fingertips and I'm sure nobody knows it all as well as you do.
People know it's all being manipulated, but you can show them how it's being manipulated.
Yeah I've thought about that - just dump my notes and delete my account in a fit of ennui some day... I've pinpointed what criteria might make me do that, the issue is when that criteria will be met. Probably within 2 years. We'll see.
I'll look forward to reading it with interest someday. Until then keep fighting the good fight. <3
Cheers :)
If you need more Tildes invites for any of the other /r/videos mods, @OBLIVIATER, let me know. /r/videos was by far my most visited subreddit back in the day... as you may be able to tell from my own video-heavy posting history here on Tildes. ;)
I think some have been here for a while already 😉
Oh. Heh. Good to know. :)
/noise
I mean, one thing I'd almost suggest instead for moderators resigning is to delete all your moderation bots and just go absentee with no warning.
Let the rot show for what it is. It'll take longer for Reddit to notice.
I think part of the motivation is to deny Reddit the traffic coming from search. Leave the subs open and the site will still receive traffic from Google et al, the results will just be garbage. If there's one thing that's apparent, it's that spez and crew don't really care if the site turns to garbage as long as it's profitable garbage.
It's a shame 4chan has fallen so hard. This is precisely the sort of thing Anon would've directed their hacktivism lasers toward back in the day. I guess the paymasters in the Kremlin have bigger fish to fry atm.
Good on you folks! It's only tangentially related, but things like this, where people realize they have strength in numbers and utilize it for good, always reminds me the story of McDonalds in Denmark.
Good for you. I know doing this must really hurt after all the hard work you and the other mods have put in over the years but I don't see how you can do anything else. If I was a mod anywhere I'd be doing the same.
It doesn't feel great that's for sure, but I was also a much different (and younger) person when I started on reddit. It's been an avenue for many awesome experiences in my life and it even got me my career in trust and safety, and to that I'm grateful. But its time to move on, Reddit is no longer the place is it was a decade ago, and it hasn't been for quite some time. Often it makes me angry, petty, argumentative, cynical, and just generally unhappy. It's not a fun place to spend my time anymore.
This.
I'm hoping Tildes, Lemmy, and others prove to be something better. I've pulled back from all admin, mod, and community management after doing so for ages. I've become a lurker because I'm tired and definitely don't have energy to deal with a lot of the negativity out there now. The third party app I used for Reddit allowed me to curate a much more positive experience and now that's gone.
It turns out my partner has the official Reddit app on their phone. I asked them to show me the app because it's been years since I've looked at it. Good grief. What an intolerable mess.
All seasons change. All seasons come and go. Reddit created a lot of great moments. It was great for a lot of reasons. Now I look forward to what the future holds elsewhere.
No, I'm not depressed about all this. You are! 😭 Okay okay seriously though. Lots of hope moving forward. 💜🙏
Lemmy is not bad, but I think the folks registering direct to beehaw have the right idea. I was digging on Squabbles.io as well, their dual-column view is kinda funky and I am down with anything that shakes up the traditional thread model. It does that a little bit. I'm not sure if I like it, or if I hate it, but when it comes to threads anything different is good. Threads have got to evolve.
I'm all for innovation, especially when it works, but: threads are a great topology for conversation! Every node is branch-able, and yet the entire thing can be traversed in an intuitive way such that nothing is missed. For the most part, similarity in topic ~ distance in thread, providing a great way for the overall thread to stay organized. I'm pro thread!
How would you define a "thread model?"
Threads on Tildes, threads on Reddit, threads on any site you can think of - they all are more or less the same thing. There's just this wall of nested comments with some mainly superficial bells and whistles like flairs or gilding or highlights. Frankly I think there's some work to do busting that old sacred chestnut of design. There are probably other ways to manage a thread, possibly many, with some more suited for one type of community or another. We don't think about that stuff anymore, though. People just take the threads themselves for granted. I get exited by anything different, even if it sucks and fails. We might learn something useful from those experiments.
Edit: That reply box can still trick me into making the wrong replies in the wrong spots sometimes. :P
I'm always open to doing better, but I'm hard pressed to think of any other layouts and configurations that could work better. I say this with aggregated linking websites such as this in mind.
Context is everything. Different mediums already have different context. Threading has always been extremely helpful for many of them. I'm thinking of software like Slack, where choosing to thread rather than replying to the channel (as if it were a chat) makes a substantial impact in organization and clarity.
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Here's another discussion about this on lobsters that I found interesting.
I found myself in a similar emotional space after 15 years in a company that changed for the worse during my time there. It took me months to realize that by moving on I had set myself free from a mode of unhappiness I had not even realized had become my norm.
I would like to echo others in offering you my admiration and thanks. The integrity you are showing is of immeasurable worth. Cheers.
Good on you, genuinely. It’s entirely baffling to me that Reddit relies on volunteer work to moderate, and then kicks those volunteers in the teeth. It’s demoralising and disrespectful. As soon as my data backup arrives, I’ll be deleting my account and leave - let’s hope Tildes will fare better.
Damn, props to you, can't be easy to walk away completely like that. Seems like r/Music is going indefinitely as well; I wish I could say I think these massive subs going offline will force them to the table, but the cynical part of me is pretty sure they'll just take over... Still, even if they do that this is a big move, and the PR of booting the team would be horrific.
Nice, glad to see this. I think that the resignation of mods will be the highest impacting action that Redditors can take. It will force staff to work to find new mods (or do it themselves), and will likely cause power struggles and lower quality content. I love the Tildes shout-out on your post too.
Thank you for using old.reddit link.
The only way I use the site on PC haha
Install Old Reddit Redirect on Firefox or Chrome and every reddit link you ever click on will land you right on the old.reddit version no matter what reddit does to the interface of the site or to ignore your own profile settings. I'm quite sure old.reddit is soon to be on the chopping block too, so enjoy it while it lasts.
A simpler option for people like @rish is to go into their Reddit user settings page, on the Account tab, and scroll down to the bottom to find the option that says "Opt out of the redesign". Switch on that option, and you'll always see old.reddit.com, no matter how you arrive at the site (assuming you leave your account signed in, of course).
If this becomes the trend, it's going to be concerning to see posts that were previously indexed on search engines dry up altogether. I used to have a custom Google search that targeted web forums (after Google took that search option away). Then I made one for reddit after awhile. It's been invaluable for finding answers to niche questions. There will possibly be a wealth of knowledge quickly drying up...this is scary, considering it's harder than ever to find real answers online posted by real people.
There is an active project trying to archive as much of reddit as possible before the API change. You and others can help with this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/142l1i0
This is a shame I admit. But we have also have had many a troubleshooting session here on Tildes. I think we can help fill that void.
I've even not shied from asking Googlable questions merely because someone with experience can help filter bad results for a newbie, and help point to better resources (like reccomending "automate the boring stuff" for Python beginners).
I'm currently working my way through Automate the Boring Stuff. I've encountered a handful of sections that are broken in modern python. StackOverflow has been great for troubleshooting solutions for the outdated sections of the book, but Reddit has also picked up some of the slack. ChatGPT takes a lot of coaching, but will eventually arrive at usable code if you're persistent.
This is so true. I’ve also found recently that search engines return no useful results for certain subjects and that adding “reddit” as a search term is the only way to find useful information.
Which makes me think maybe I should start spending a few minutes every day posting high-value starter content or “hey I found a solution for this and am posting in case it helps someone in the future” posts.
I mod /r/design and a few others and I’m done with Reddit once I turn off the subs on Monday. I used redact to delete my 13 years of post and comment history.
Toodles.
I can definitely see them taking over the defaults and kicking you all off the mod team but it'll be interesting to see how they handle the permanent shut down of hundreds of communities. I'm sure they could get other users to step up and take mod responsibilities once they run out of Reddit staff and power mods to hand responsibilities to but then you're left with potentially hundreds of communities serving millions of users with mods that are completely new to the role with no legacy support or training from longer serving mods.
Either way, it was a powerful last message before the community goes private and the right thing to do.
I'm quite sure many will be normally recycled as they lose moderators, get deleted, and get reappropriated in the normal course of action.
The brain drain will be the biggest thing I think, there's a lot of institutional knowledge that's goinf away here that Reddit's communities were built on. Without that I bet Reddit will be worse off.
Reddit's biggest value was their knowledgeable communities imo. The terminal power posters who knew about random topics who made detailed posts basically made everyone have to append "reddit" at the end of their Google searches because those were the only posts you could find online that were written by humans and not SEO blogspam trying to promote products. The last 5 years I have actually slowly transitioned to not use reddit recommendations anymore as bots and spammers started taking over the site to promote products on recommendation subreddits.
Thanks for making a stand and for all your hard work over the years. It's hard to see Reddit coming around after the last few weeks of drama, but even if they did they have burnt a lot of bridges with long standing members of the community.
Hopefully we can find a home for the quality contributors over here who want to be part of a nicer and more thoughtful community. It's a shame we can't let more people in at once, but I fully understand not wanting 3 million new sign ups ruining things for the existing community here.
Very happy to see the mod team of one of the flagship subs drawling a line in the sand. Hopefully more follow suit.
The hubris reddit leadership is showing in this matter is inexcusable. They should know better than anyone not to take their userbase for granted.. especially considering how they largely benefited from their biggest competitor doing exactly that a decade ago.
Looks like you were added as a mod there on 2014-05-24 -- a little over 9 years ago.
Almost a decade moderating a sub with a subscriber count of roughly the population of Australia (26.7M). What did you do to deserve that Sisyphean punishment??
But, honestly, thank you for helping make Reddit what it was.
Its actually longer than 9 years, we had a mod account get hacked and demod everyone, so the time got reset haha. I forget the exact time but I think it was a little over 10 years
Respect! I think this is the right move for any subreddit, I don't think the 48 hour blackout would make a whole lot of difference.
The idea has been floated to turn r/mead into a notebook fan reddit and disallow alcohol discussions. I kind of like it, but I don't intend to be very active on moderation going forward.
There’s a whole subculture where subs mean some something totally other than what they seem. An uprising of this sort would definitely convolute Reddit enough to make it unappetizing for new users while keeping the FU inside joke alive for the disenfranchised (until they kill it).
happy that I can dust off my 5 year old tildes account, knew the day would come :-0
Thank you for recommending Tildes! I was disappointed at first that it was invite only. But after leaving a comment on that Reddit thread, someone shot me a message asking if I would like an invite, so here I am.
As for the design of Tiles, I think it is somewhat reminiscent of the Reddit is Fun app in terms of minimalism and ease of use. I would like there to be more topics though.
I feel the same way - I like that Tildes is simple like RIF and focuses on content instead of noise. I think more topics could come with growth, but I kinda like that the lack of a firehose of content forces me to sign off sooner than Reddit did. For me who probably spent too much time on Reddit for my own good, that's only a good thing.
The Reddit people loved is going to die anyway so I support these preemptive strikes.
Too many people think Reddit is too big to fail and they’re in for a rude awakening.
I think the majority of new users are not nostalgic about what reddit once was. These are the users buying avatars and awards and are part of the decision to capitalize.
Unfortunately this is par for the course in capitalism. There is no going back, no matter what mods do.
I hope I'm wrong and this is the exception, but history tells the truth. Even if reddit dies, this will happen to the next website and it will continue to happen to every site that gets big enough to generate money.
The "modern" internet is about money.
Thank you. You know ;-)
I see r/videos is still private. Stay strong, I'm with you! If you know moderators from other big subreddits, relay the message, please. You all must stay strong and remain private! Reddit doesn't deserve any better (yet, maybe never).
Anyone know what type of posts I can make on reddit that are unfriendly to advertisers, but won't get me banned? I'm not a very good troll, but trolling is all theres left to do on the few subreddits that arnt taking a stand
Hostile engagement is still engagement. The strongest message you can send is staying off of Reddit as much as possible.
Wow… Thank you for having helped make Reddit for what it was, when it was.
Can you copy the contents of the post here? Since it’s private, no one who wasn’t already a subscriber can see it.
People have usually been requesting the Internet Archive to archive these links before they go offline. That link is archived and is available here.
https://web.archive.org/web/20230611194622/https://old.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/145vns0/the_future_of_rvideos/
thanks to the r/videos mods for making me know this place