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Do you think this place will get big on/after July 1st?
I know myself and many others are coming here from Reddit but I'm curious what the Tildes community who've been here a while think. I like this place. It reminds me of Reddit in 2011.
While I wish Tildes had a little bit more activity...I'm also fine with it being a smaller community. I like reddit for what it is—when it's not pushing terrible policies—but I also like Tildes for what it is and isn't.
I imagine Lemmy and other instances will be a more popular place than Tildes, since the ability to join is a bit easier, but even then, I'm not sure any of these places want to be the next reddit. That's a lot to deal with.
So will Tildes get bigger? Yeah, probably. But it's not gonna be anywhere near reddit sized. Idk the number of active users here, but I have to imagine that any of the largest subreddits alone are significantly larger than the whole of Tildes.
Yeah. After just a day of Tildes, I realize how I've been slowly frog boiled by reddit with its growth over the past 15 years. Coming back to a cozy forum community like this, it's such a stark contrast to how hostile and negative, and isolating, massive communities can be.
Really happy to have an opportunity to slow things down again, and meet all you fine folks.
Yeah, that about sums it up for me too. I had forgotten how much reddit had changed over time. I remember back in the day there wasn't nearly as much focus on image/video/meme content. But it happens slowly enough, and along similar changes happening in the rest of the internet, that you forget what online spaces like this can be. I'm glad to see that there are still spaces like this without all the craziness of a massive public forum. On reddit, often when I post there's a little worry at the back of my head bracing myself for a mean/troll response, because you just never know. Here I feel comfortable knowing that as long as I'm civil people will respond in kind.
I had gradually unsubbed from the main subs and focused on small subs. Content was better but still subject to repost bots and people trying to monetize reddit.
Yeah, and while it was weird for about 10 minutes I think I really like that. I enjoy using tags to sub-categorize content on Discourse (the forum software), too. Seeing the same approach to a reddit-like place here is actually really neat, and allows for an interesting way to aggregate information.
I think long-term it'd be nice if it were to grow big enough so that tags see decent activity for most items, but eh... growth has to happen organically, tbh. No point trying to force it, no matter how much the reddit admins are trying.
i agree completely
yet still, there is a part of me that longs for a place for dedicated communities here. i know thats against the ethos of the site, but my natterings about silly little games nobodys heard of wouldnt exactly be appreciated in some place as general as ~games
There’s no downvotes here, so you don’t need to worry about what anyone else thinks. If it brings you satisfaction to share then share away. If people aren’t into it you can get bored and stop.
its more of a do unto others sort of thing
i would be pissing blood if my page were full of danganronpa or some other trite, and i don't want to subject others to that
hence the appeal of a walled community
People can use the topic tag filter if they don't want to see topics about a particular subject. That's what it's there for. So post about whatever games you want to! :)
i suppose
it would be nice to have the option to have a whitelist for tags, similar to reddit's frontpage
Yeah, suscribing to tags is something that's been talked about before, and is already on the Gitlab as a feature request, IIRC. If this traffic keeps up, and people keep requesting similar, I imagine the priority for implementing it will climb.
while lemmy looks promising, it still has that stink of new reddit to it
its hard to express my inane thoughts but ill try to communicate what i mean
my reddit was a nifty forum with cool little communities, a very basic forum structure - lemmy is very rounded and "new", with profile images and a "sleek" very mobile layout, which right out of the gate alienates bitter old men like myself
i know this doesnt matter and im just a feckless gimp who detests change but it bothers me a substantial amount
also i made a login a year ago and for the life of me i cant get it to work lmao
I think a lot of Redditors like what Tildes looks like.
Just anecdotally, I've seen people get turned off by some of the bigger Lemmy instances having a hard-left culture, with some even bringing out the term "tankie" to describe Lemmy users.
I can see where they're coming from, but I ultimately disagree - Lemmy is what you make it, and you can easily ignore those by going to a Lemmy instance like Beehaw.org (which is closer culturally to Reddit, but - like Tildes - doesn't allow people to make their own equivalent to subreddits).
Tildes, by contrast, is very pleasant and thoughtful. I think a lot of people will be drawn to that, but also I think a lot of them will see the similarities to Reddit and expect... Reddit. Tildes (of course) is different, more focused on thoughtful discussions... but you're going to see the people that want /r/aww or /r/politics or NSFW porn subs and think Tildes is going to be a 1:1 Reddit clone that has all those things.
So I expect a lot of new users to join (I'm one of them! Hi!). How many stick around when they realize it's not Reddit remains to be seen - I don't personally mind, myself, but part of me does miss seeing memes and cute cat photos (even though I totally get why they aren't here).
The reason I've joined Tildes and not Lemmy (though I may end up joining that, too, depending on how it shapes up) is that this place really gives me small-friendly-thoughtful-subreddit vibes.
Those small, friendly, thoughtful subreddits are the only reason I've stuck with Reddit over the years, but because they are discussion-based, you kind of need third party apps or old.reddit to enjoy them. I suspect many of them will now begin to die off, especially if their mods use third party apps (which seems likely).
This is the same reason I’m leaning towards Tildes as well. Most of my value from Reddit came from small niche/professional subreddits, like /r/colorists, /r/editors, /r/sysadmin etc. Tildes seems like the natural progression of those kinds of places. Will be interesting to see how niche topics can find their place here
I have no interest in Lemmy because I just don't trust the federated model for a Reddit-like platform. I run a Mastodon instance (invite-only, mostly for my friends or friends of friends), I actually like the federation model for a lot of social media, but... I also know enough about it that I have concerns for something like Lemmy, where capturing the whole discussion can have value.
I don't really know what to expect from Tildes yet (I've been here all of five minutes!) but I looked into it enough and don't have any immediate protocol-level concerns, so I figure it's worth a shot, at least.
we spun up a lemmy server with a few friends and federation seems to work really well out of the box, but its also optional. you can make accounts on each instance if you want, and with the attention its getting, 3rd party apps will likely allow you to have several accounts coexist next to eachother.
lemmy federation model is new, sure, but there's not much to fear from it because ultimately its dependent on linked servers. what IS nice though is that, imo, a use banned on one instance will get those bans federated through across to other instances - and to clarify these would be federated bans not global ones. so in this case a ban is just
cut access for user1@lemmyinstanceB from lemmyinstanceCand all instances that are subscribed tolemmyinstanceCwill also now sport aban for user1@lemmyinstanceBthis can be abused pretty thoroughly too, so ill be following along to see how we an ensure people arent just banned across the lemmy-verse because one bad mod had an issue with someone.
My federation concerns are twofold:
The second concern also ties in to the first a bit, depending on how it handles reply forwarding; my main concern there would be that if I want to see all the replies to a post (and I do want to see all the replies to a post), they have to get to my instance somehow, and that's a difficult problem to balance.
so loaded question right - what do you mean
handlea comment? if you're talking about from user-perspective, then instead of showingdemize saidit showsdemize@server1 saidand thats it, other than that- its likely stored locally. federation does not need to be a complete implicit bidirectional trust because the interaction happens on a server which is federated with multiple sources. this already happens EVERYWHERE in the web: every website that offers log-in through google, facebook, github, and what have you, is essentially the same thing: JiT provisioning with federated authentication.its written in rust, which is highly performant, and i would image theres a maximum chain length (i am making assumptions here) to how far a reply goes down the chain. to me that chain length is 1: the origin server to every server that's federated with it.
i agree that if you are hosting your own server on a little container and it suddenly becomes super popular, that yes you'll likely run out of compute to handle all taht traffic, but this isnt a federation problem, rather than a scaling one and anti-brigading is a thing and i believe you can restrict who actually posts on your server via federation.
otherwise youre slinging txt around which quite frankly, isnt that hard or that heavy. otherwise l2 quote steraming on any trading platform worth their salt would crash local browsers.
Except that’s not really how ActivityPub works. A post is “from” a specific instance, and you only see that post if it was sent to your instance specifically, either because someone on your instance was subscribed to whatever generated it, or it was otherwise sent through an intermediary (reply forwarding, boosting, etc). This is fine for Mastodon, because in the majority of cases where you might want to see replies, reply forwarding kicks in, which sends any replies to someone’s post to any instance that follows that user.
To be fair to Lemmy, it seems to have addressed that pretty well, because subscriptions to a community will cause an instance to forward every comment in that community. But I’m still concerned about defederation (which would explicitly block two servers from federating each others’ posts, and which is already enough of a problem on Mastodon). Defederation happens entirely too often in the Fediverse over disagreements between admins, and on something like Lemmy I only see that problem being amplified: if we’re both looking at a community on server A, but one of our servers has blocked the other, we won’t see any posts or comments by each other (but server A will still see both). It might not be an issue now, and maybe it will be less of an issue with Lemmy since there’s no easy-to-press “defederate” button (it seems to manage blocked servers through the server config file, for better or worse), but it is a problem inherent to the federated model (at least with ActivityPub).
The issue is less that text is hard or heavy, and more that activity queue systems can get slow very quickly. Lemmy is probably better positioned to handle large message queues (since it’s written in Rust and seems to use its own system), but if enough other instances are subscribed to yours, it becomes pretty easy to overwhelm the queue. Every instance you need to send a message to is one activity in the queue, and every time someone makes a post or comment to a community on your instance, it sends a message to every instance subscribed to it. The default queue size is 64, so it sure seems to scale better than Sidekiq, but I think you can see where this is going: if you’ve got a popular post on a popular community, even if your server is fairly powerful it might end up with a significant backlog in the queue, even if the rest of the server is still operating fine. That said, this is probably less of an issue on Lemmy than on Mastodon… if only because things tend to be less real-time on that kind of social media. It doesn’t matter too much if it takes 5 minutes for your message to be delivered if you weren’t expecting a response for 14 and a half hours.
Anyway, I’m still not convinced that ActivityPub is the right protocol to use here, but the Lemmy team seems to have put a lot of work into making it fit. Will be interesting to see how Lemmy grows.
I've heard that the host of a Mastadon instance can read user dm's if they desire. Is this something you could easily do on your instance if you wanted to?
quick edit to fix readability.
It's only possible if you're willing to actually go into the database manually, or if someone reports a private mention. Otherwise, Mastodon makes it pretty much impossible to see private mentions if you weren't mentioned in them.
How easy it is depends on how willing you are to go dig around your database. I'm not.
this is a good point which is why, imo, the name of the game if you want to be part of lemmy is to have your own server for root, and then federate into other servers rather than making an account on server you dont know as your central identity store.
What's a federated model? How is tildes different than Lemmy in that way? Is reddit federated?
A federated model means the service is hosted by a lot of independent individual services that all broadcast what they're doing to each other. Neither Reddit nor Tildes are federated. A Federated version of Tildes would be like if you had a bunch of different people who ran a version of the Tildes code on their own server and managed the content on it. And each of those servers sends the activity to each other. If you were on Bob's Tildes server and I was on Cheryl's my posts in Cheryl's server would be synced up with the activity you see on Bob's and vice versa.
The advantage is that you get a lot of granularity. Suppose Cheryl's server is full of people Bob finds annoying. Bob can simply not list the feed from Cheryl on his server so you won't see it.
Regarding politics, Tildes does not have a restriction on political discussion as long as any discussion is in line with the general rules around being respectful and civil. There have been some acrimonious discussions on these topics in the past and some tension between users that took a while to dissipate, but the moderation policy of encouraging people to disengage and cool down has helped a great deal to prevent that from turning into the sort of bad blood that makes it impossible to hang out in general.
Another thing that helps is that there is no ~politics and that is by design. It encourages talking about politics insofar as it overlaps with the general news and intersects with the stuff we do have groups for (i.e. ~LGBT, ~science, ~tech, etc.) rather than just engaging with politics qua politics--like a cable news pundit--which is inherently toxic. That said, as the site grows it will be interesting to see how it assimilates a broader cross-section of the political spectrum. Historically the political perspectives on here have ranged from Bernie Sanders supporters to Elizabeth Warren supporters (and, like, maybe single-digit Biden people). If there were Trumpy people (or Tories and Conservatives among our Canuck, UK, and Aussie Tildos) they haven't been very vocal. The scope for areas where there could be friction was constrained, but the moderation policy is pretty strict on being a dick, so there's only so far into the wings you can go. It's also just not big enough to attract the kinds of social-media gamesmanship you see on Reddit.
Some people are in the habit of arguing like they're trying to dress you down for the benefit of an audience rather than talking to you. That's a behavior that I think is endemic to political discourse on Reddit and Twitter. I think we will probably need to set some more restrictive ground-rules on threads that are adjacent to certain hot-button topics when that happens, such as striving to make each other feel heard and accepted even when we disagree and to view discussions as a joint-learning opportunity rather than a win-lose battle. For now, the rate-limiting function and Deimos' responsiveness to Malice tags seems to work pretty well.
Regarding stuff like /r/aww, I've long thought Tildes could benefit from a little bit more fluff, but my concern is less about growing in absolute terms and more about just attracting a slightly more diverse user-base than we have now. But I totally get the concern with fluff drowning out quality content. It's a really tough thing to work around. I've been doing thought experiments around what you can do to create a "silly hats" space where people can goof off but I can never really think of a strategy for how to control the corrosive effects it can have on quality of discourse if it attracts too many people who come just for the silly hats.
Plus, jokes can land wrong and Tildes is in that awkward size where it's small enough where people have a "hallway reputation" but too big for everyone to really get each others' senses of humor. So I can also see potential for that sort of thing to engender bad blood and help form cliques that can be noxious for discourse.
Unfortunately, I agree that political discussions can quickly go off the rails, especially if the discussion is very surface level. I'd still like to have a place with more wonky discussions of policies and their merits though.
Political philosophy and analyzing government systems efficiencies and drawbacks is something I really enjoy. The closest I get on Reddit right now is r/neoliberal because it's somewhat ironic and mostly discusses policies and news in the US and abroad from a Socialist Democratic lense. A lot of mainstream news networks provide really shallow coverage too, but there are some really good substacks and digital magazines.
If Tildes is a place for deep discussion, it seems inevitable that some more wonkish groups will form to discuss policy and political happenings around the globe.
Yeah I'm a policy analyst by education so I'd love to have a constructive space to dig into those wonkier details. I think, for the most part, it is possible to have those here barring a few hot-button issues that are very personal to people. You can probably guess the ones.
One of the big impediments, I've found, is that there is such a volume of bad-faith rhetoric out there in the broader culture that it's actually kind of hard for people to talk to each other as individual people. Instead, we all reflexively flip into a tribal-combat posture where the people become sort of effigies that represent some broader ideological group. (I'm guilty of this myself at times.) This ends up having the effect of making people talk past each other and misread or disinterpret (willfully or out of habit) each others' comments in ways that are unproductive.
For the most part I think the community here has largely just stopped talking about things known to prompt flame wars just to maintain the frith. That's not ideal, but it is a good sign that people here care enough to not agitate each other needlessly and the admin posture has been to discourage making a habit out of rousing sleeping dogs. On Reddit and Twitter the norm is usually to sort of bully your position up the ranks by spamming content that boosts your side of the narrative and making the environment hostile to your ideological opponents until they leave to form their own refugee subreddit. That is, obviously, much worse and one of the main drivers behind the toxicity and polarization you see there.
It's not entirely the monetization, it's also the inability to scale moderation. Once you scale past a certain size there's too much traffic to prune out bad actors. Smaller communities prune them through social norms and group-dynamics so it's not entirely the big moderation stick doing the work. Once you get too big for norms to form then you get the problems.
I personally don’t want Tildes to become a big place. I think that’s where the downfall of places like reddit come into play. I want Tildes to be active, but not necessarily big.
As long as I can have good conversations here and not become an echo-chamber, it will be a place I can come to again and again.
It seems like the key is to encourage some of the Reddit refugee lurkers such as myself to join the discussion and to not be afraid of posting/commenting like we’ve been conditioned for on Reddit. I know I’m just looking for somewhere active that has quality discussion, nice people, and spaces for my interests. I do think it’s easy to get lost in the crowd once a place gets too big.
Agree on the hard-left sentiment... a brief tour of Lemmy left an impression that anarchists and darkweb(tm) adopted a baby...
I don't think so. For one it is not trying to be a reddit replacement, and therefore don't think it can handle the type of community that reddit has. For example, communities here are limited to what is already available which means only certain communities will find a new "home".
Yeah that makes sense. I am wondering why its not open registration. Is it so that only those who genuinely want to join too and to stop waves of migrants who are bigoted, such as with Voat? I saw admin say he wanted organic growth because of that.
To slow down the rate of growth. To ensure that users who join Tildes actually want to join, rather than just idly passing by.
I'm new as well, but I think the fact that it's still invite only is going to keep it relatively small. I had been waiting for it to open up to the public (until today) because I had no idea that invites were so easy to get (asked for one in the r/tildes reddit thread and had an invite a couple hours later)
I would be surprised if "getting big" ever happened. Being invite-only is a barrier to rapid growth, even though I don't think invites are that hard to get?
Definitely. Which I'm personally fine with, that barrier of entry. It severely limits the number of users, but it makes this a unique experience, and I'm enjoying the more curated community so far. It's just so nice to have a small group of folks again, a place where you feel like a person. IMO the last thing we need is a mini Reddit 2.0 to bust onto the scene.
That was one of the things that was so disheartening when posting on Reddit. So many communities were so big that unless you were very lucky, you would get very little community engagement on your post because it just wasn’t popular enough
I’m part of several smaller more niche subreddits that I’m currently staying on Reddit for and you can usually get seen on them but anything bigger and it’s luck of the draw. Actually getting seen and spoken to here makes me realise how dehumanising it felt to know that you could put your heart and soul into something and it wouldn’t mean anything
Yeah I'm new, but I've been on Reddit since 2010 and really miss that era of forums. I feel like most people I've seen wondering here are those with Reddit accounts older than 10 years, which is a good thing IMO.
High barrier of entry isn't the worst thing, I'd prefer it to be a high-quality community rather than a cesspool. If that means it stays small then so be it.
Being invite only also has a way of making bans (and temp bans) stick.
They're not hard to get. I responded to a post on a Reddit thread that stated something like 'say something about yourself and get an invite' and 24 hours later here I am.
I emailed asking for one, it was pretty easy.
🤖 💖 :)
The other communities I know about with a similar barrier to entry and intentional lack of courting users are https://lobste.rs (invite only, broke away from Hacker News) and https://metafilter.com (small fee to make an account).
Invites aren't meant to be hard to get - instead they provide that tiny barrier to entry which makes the easily distracted or entitled types fume and go somewhere else, which is of course exactly how we like it. The fellow who sticks around for the week and doesn't get bent out of shape by a little waiting is the one you want.
Invite codes kill bots and spammers dead, plus make it considerably more effort to continue to troll by creating new accounts. The best way to deal with the trolls is to just make sure for every minute you might spend moderating them, they get to spend a half hour getting around it. Keep the pain shifted in your favor, because it will just never be a problem for regular users who don't mind doing it the one time.
I think invite-only is a sadly underexplored problem space. I have some old thoughts on that which sketch out some middle ground between one to one invites and open registration. If there's enough interest and donations this project can become pretty flexible.
We'll see? As a longer-term member I feel like the grizzled veteran saying "I'll learn your name if you're alive in a month" because we've had surges that dropped off and we basically dropped back to previous activity levels.
I think we'll gain new users of course, but we also can't replace what Reddit as a site does well, which is niche, with its design that allows one to spin up a community from nothing.
No offense to the newbies either, I've come and gone from many places myself. We won't know until December, IMO, after a lot of peoples' honeymoon phase is gone, and to let people drift back as they shop around and find where they see the greenest grass.
Tbh I’m sort of following both this and Lemmy. I’ve always been more of an app user, so I’m patiently waiting for an iOS one to drop.
It’s definitely nice to see the number of users growing. :)
I will say, the website works phenomenally well on mobile. Probably exactly because it is kept simple and functional.
I just added a home screen shortcut in Firefox and now it feels like I got a mobile app for it already.
That is intentional ;)
https://docs.tildes.net/philosophy/site-implementation#the-site-is-the-main-mobile-interface-not-an-app
User @talklittle has one in the works!
That's understandable, but I have to say that the Tildes website by itself works very well on a mobile browser. Personally, I can't think of anything of note I'd want from an app that the mobile website doesn't already give me. To each their own ;)
Yep, the mobile site gets the job done. I actually used the shortcut app on iOS to launch tildes in my browser from my Home Screen. I even grabbed a screenshot of the tildes logo to use as the icon. So that makes it about as convenient as using Apollo for reddit.
Definitely the busiest I have seen it since I joined, and I love it! Excited to see what level of engagement we have once the dust settles. It’s exciting for there to consistently be new posts when I refresh.
I'll be super surprised if tildes get to the point where we can have local meetups. Wouldn't mind it, but I would prefer if we "cap" it once we get to that point.
I like this place for the past 5 (!) years. It's a nice curated place with thoughtful content and discussion. It's not a place I go to read post episode discussion threads, memes, or astroturfing.
Tildes keeps coming up over and over again on the discord for the protest movement. People are really hungry for an alternative to reddit. People have said they are leaving for years and years. but this time has a little different feel to it.
If they do go through with it, there will be something like 20% of reddit users who simply have no way to connect to reddit any longer and if even a third of them never return to reddit that could represent a significant amount of people. I would plan for and expect much greater interest in the site from now on.
Just to note, it's probably more like 1% of users. There's about 500 million Reddit 'active' users, and Apollo, by far the most popular 3rd party app, has 1.2 million active monthly users (according to a comment in the initial discussion thread on /r/apollo by the Apollo dev).
Of course, there are a couple of caveats - namely what % of those 500 million Reddit users are bots, alts, etc. and that that 1% are the longest-standing, most active, and most important users - many of them being mods and active since before 2018(?), when the official app was released.
It's worth noting that a huge portion of reddit users don't have an account, and it's more likely those using a 3rd party do have an account. So it's likely that the impact of 3rd party apps users migrating away from reddit will hit harder because they're no longer commenting, posting, upcoming, etc.
I don't think Tildes will "get big", but I do think it will get "bigger", and I'm fine with that.
If Tildes is ever going to get big, it'll get there the exact same way reddit got there - by the power of AMAs and other community created content, which ironically reddit itself has crapped all over in recent years. AMAs are special content class, and any site that treats them with respect will prosper.
Site growth always comes in spurts. Tildes growth right now looks exactly like any other subreddit that ever slowly became popular. This wave is different, we've never seen this kind of sustained interest before. It usually goes away in a day or two, but it's not waning like it has in the past. Apparently reddit users are serious this time. I'll wager it's over 50k active users within three years at this rate, and over 250k within two years after that. That's just this official instance - I bet at least three other tildes nodes that are larger than this official one appear as well.
The problem all of the other reddit wannabe sites have is that Tildes looks far sexier than they do, runs better and will scale better than they can, forces all code contributions for any tildes project to come back here so everyone can benefit from them, and costs a lot less to host because it's built on a solid industry standard tech stack - written by professionals with experience rather than being some college kid's first embarrassing attempt at lisp. I get a laugh out of any alternatives based on microsoft's technology. Have fun with those hosting costs.
Tildes code is the superior technology, design, and philosophy. It offers the most bang for the buck of any alternative to reddit and has the best solutions to many of reddit's problems already built in even at this early alpha stage. Its dominion is inevitable.
Why would someone do a Tildes node instead of those federated platforms?
Because federation has been here since the first days of usenet and email, yet it has never solved anything, and it probably never will. It's a red herring that keeps everyone quite distracted and unproductive. You have to solve the moderation problem before solving the federation problem.
Federation is a useless buzzword, like crypto or ai. At least in my opinion. :)
Probably before July 1st.
I could imagine that bigger subreddits will force a black out for a while, and that Reddit will backpaddle from their initial plan. If you even piss off the powerusers and mods, Reddit could lose a bunch.
Or they come up with a clever negotiation tactic and make all these changes appear as candy. But I think as long as the invite rules are in place, it will grow rather slowly. I think for a lot of people this will be a hassle, and this might not even be a bad thing.
I'm here from reddit. Tired of cleaning up the admins messes over and over and over. Tildes seems much more relaxing
I am not sure how much they will back-peddle, this time. It's an open question. Unlike previous stupid actions, there are bankers and IPO consultants involved, and there is a seething anger among the social-media platforms' leadership that AI companies are getting a free-lunch at their table. It also appears that Reddit's leadership has the petulant view that mobile users on 3P as some kind of parasite, and is making that classic mistake of thinking that all these users would be fully theirs if <thing> didn't exist. They need to look strong in front of investors.
There is too many capitalist impulses and MBAs involved here. My assumption is that they'll at best make some some weak-tea concessions, but ultimately stay the course until they hit the iceberg that is IPO.
And IPO will be an iceberg. What are investors going to really see in Reddit? Ad revenues are not growing strong. Reddit is not a technology powerhouse like Facebook or Google and can barely keep their own lights on. Reddit has about 'saturated' its size and influence. User trust is eroding because reddit has completely failed to handle the bot / paid super-user problem and grown more intrusive. Where is the growth?
I see whatever price they release at bombing, and then leadership will have to scramble to raise revenues to appease whatever investors got suckered in. This will result in a wave of new, user-hostile anti-features. That's why I'm done even if they walk back this action. Nothing good lies in the future.
The way I see it, if the content generators, or moderators who prevent subs from being a spam fest leave, users will start leaving reddit as the quality goes down. Growth control seems necessary with this mornings outage.
I don't think it will ever be a full on reddit replacement and it doesn't need to be. But I do think that a lot of people who are mad about the 3rd party app thing are also probably people who have been around reddit for a while and remember when it was more like Tildes is now. So I could see a quite a bit of growth coming our way once those API changes go into effect but it won't be a mass exodus like it was when Digg users moved to reddit.
If a RIF-equivalent app is created, I can see Tildes getting big.
I suspect the web / standard interface is a bit "old skool" for most refugees who expect a more TikTok / Instagram feed of visual media, not text and comments.
Personally I want the focus to be on the text and the comments, but I am rapidly realising that I am not a normal internet user any more. That ship has sailed and is now piloted by a new generation, and they want pictures.
I still miss Usenet. What a pity it became a spam filled disaster.
That's actually happening. But you should try our mobile website, it's excellent :,D
Ugh yuck, may tildes never become tiktok instagram.
There's a place for pictures and one word responses and that place is Reddit. It's not going away it's just monetizing.
Reddit-big? No. Slashdot or HN big? Maybe (but not for a year or two, at least).
I think one thing in favor of growth is that there aren’t many Reddit-like sites that haven’t adopted a lenient free speech model (and gone to shit in the process). Tildes, Lemmy, and Lobste.rs are the only ones I can think of. And while Lemmy is bigger, there has been some controversy over its modding and political orientation (the word tankie gets thrown around a lot). We will likely see a spike as people leave Reddit, but also potentially as some people find other sites not to their liking.
This will end up being my reddit replacement if they truly kill 3rd-party apps.
Definitely need to get the word out so Reddit users will know what's happening and why
I do not think it will get bigger as Reddit (no porn, invite-only, etc), I see Tildes as a secondary social aggregator with specifics topics such as Hacker News about tech news or stacker news about nostr or Bitcoin. I am looking forward to my favorite niche subs migrating to Tildes someday.
It's invite only as of right now, Deimos has stated that will change in the future. However, the current topic structure doesnt seem conducive of highly specific communities to me, but that could be because I just joined.
I would love to see a totally separate non-profit, user-funded analogue to tildes for adult content. Non-commercial and invite-only, would work for that type of community as well. Image and video hosting could get expensive very quickly, however.
You could host your own Tildes instance using Tildes source code.
The complete lack of image and video hosting would make it an odd choice, though. :-)
Not that I'd know, but it seems like there would be other forum software available that's good for porn? It's not a small market.
No, my friend. Perhaps you'd be interested in some selections of ASCII art? :D
When we went from ASCII art to ANSI... my oh my...
Users could simply post links to other websites rather than have the content be hosted natively. This is how reddit does it, and how video/images are posted to Tildes now.
Who knows, I hope it doesn't grow too fast to a point where moderation would be ineffective. I do hope Tildes finds its place and remain a nice place to visit, same for Lemmy, which I've been on for 4 years now.
Nope, most of the stuff that drove Reddit's growth is missing.