The Results of the Actual Unofficial 2020 Tildes Census
Collect and code, until it is done.
And now it is.
Ladies (the few that we have, I mean holy FUCK ), gents and everyone inbetween, welcome to the results of the 2020 Tildes census, which is only 34% less horrifying than 2020 itself. And you better believe I'm going to keep this up for the whole post, because fuck the responses this year, while greater in numbers, were occasionally still [REDACTED].thanks, thought police
In the year of the lord, 2020CAN YOU PLEASE END ALREADY, we got 350 responses in, which is a whopping 100 more than last year. I don't know how many accounts we have in total, no one does, and I'm too lazy to calculate the percentages right now because I'm calculating as we go so from the point of me writing this to clicking Post Topic an hour or two will probably pass.Update: I went to bed, so like 10 hours passed Absolute numbers is all you're going to get here, so fuck me, fuck you and fuck off.I need some alcohol
Anyway, let's go through the census. I let JotForms compile this nice graphical report that is pretty much useless because it completely breaks once either sexuality, gender or the myriad of various operating systems the people on here have get involved. But it's still funny seeing it struggle. Have a link to the PDF. So back to good Excel, my old nemesis.
Aggregated Data
Thankfully, this time around you'll have access to generate all this shit yourself, HERE YOU GO. The thing is in JSON, so easily deserializable, etc etc. I'm sure you people are skilled enough at typing the words into the IDEs to magic the data into your memory.
Important info: Empty answers are usually marked NO ANSWER, in case of numerical values it's usually -1 for age, -2 for the Kinsey scale (-1 is taken) and -69 for the 3 political values from the Sapply test, as these range from -10 to 10. Yes I made the default value -69. It's everyone's favourite number after all. Also, for some absolute FUCKED reason one of the values has 3 more entries than the other ones, I'm sure it has a totally VALID reason that has nothing to do with people entering bullshit. NOTHING.FuckingKILLME
Also I can't be bothered to edit the "wrong" data out, i.e. typos in languages etc, so those are all in, maybe someone with more compassion than me can do that.
Kowalski, Analysis
First of all, I'm going to less graphs this year because it's fucking hard to aggregate things like ethnicity when you get responses ranging from black to a literal link of someone's You23AndMe results. Yes. I mean props to you for that but like, uh, FUCK, what am I going to do now? YOU ARE ALL MAKING THIS WAY TO FUCKING HARD. ლ(ಠ_ಠ ლ)
This propagates to basically all responses and next year I'm probably going to captain a way straighter course with less options, because I can't fucking MAKE FANCY GRAPHS WHEN YOU GIVE ME TOO MANY INDIVIDUAL RESPONSESFUCKINGKILLME
Personal Shit
Geography
Not much has changed, the US still dominates, Canada second, though the British are catching up. I'm sure you'll have your tea party eventually. Though with good ol' Boris in charge I don't know if annexing the yanks is such a good idea. Also, as there are no invidual option here for everyone to FUCK IT UP it's the most sane graph of them all. No fucked colours this year, I promise, it's all scale.
Age
Fancy Graph #2: Age by decile For those wanting to repeat this, watch out, as the age by decile and specific age questions were exclusionary. You'll have to combine the results to get the same numbers. I hope. Unless I fucked up. Equal possibility.
Also whoever entered 28.9, because of you I had to make the age field in my code a double instead of an integer. Fuck you.
Gender etc.
I honestly thought this was going to be the wildest answer, but y'all are such a minority that it's fairly sane. The real clusterfuck starts after this question. Also whoever wrote prefer not to say, DID YOU NOT READ THE PART ABOUT THE OPTIONAL ANSWERS, [REDACTED] PLEASE [REDACTED] AAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH-
Anyway as I said, fairly standard results.
Trans? Value
NO ANSWER 13
no 312
yes 23
Yeah I'm not gonna make a graph for a yes/no question, if that's bigoted you may scream at me in the comments.
Sexuality
I MADE THE SCREENSHOT BUT I FORGOT TO ADD IT FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK
Kinsey
Also forgot about you. Average is 1,37, idk what else to do.
Ethnicity
This was a mistake. 124 wrote white. 23 wrote caucasian. One person wrote causcasion. One person wrote that it's illegal to ask this question in their country. Someone wrote I bleed red white and blue.
THIS WAS A MISTAKE.
Kill me. Safe to say, that Tildes is, as someone put it perfectly: white af. Yes this was also a reply. KILL ME.
Language
Fancy Graph #3,5: LanguageThis was added later, and I'm really not updating the others.
Religion
I'm just gonna let the graph speak for itself, I don't have it in me to keep the anger up.
Politics, Education, Work
This is where the fun begins. No, honestly not really.
Politics
If I average out our Sapply values, we get this compass result. Yeah we're all communists. So whoever said in their dislike the alt right people on this platform, I really don't know what you mean. If anything we need more to achieve PEAK CENTRISM. In all honesty, the people saying that this sub is a leftist echo chamber (there were a few), you may have a point.
When we get to the magical field of how everyone identifies themselves politically, well, let's just sayah, there's the rage again I'M NOT GONNA REPEAT THIS NEXT YEAR, GREAT FUCKING IDEA. Whoever entered confused, I FUCKING AGREE. SINCE WHEN IS PINK A FUCKING POLITICAL AFFLIATION? We do have a pirate though.Nice
You may wade through the rest OF [REDACTED] YOURSELF in the published data.
Education
Tildes is an educated lot, contrary to popular my belief after making this census. A good chunk of people have a Bachelors, Masters, PhD. Still only one MD though, so if you have a medical emergency take it up with... checks notes Ah fuck I can't reveal anything. ...Take up with them. JK please call your local emergency line when you need help
Work
Actually fairly sensible results, except a few, like that one person that entered not STEM, thanks for not giving me any useful information. You have the ability TO NOT ENTER SOMETHING. THIS GOES FOR THE PERSON WHO ENTERED meh AS FUCKING WELL, [REDACTED].
Technology
Fancy Graph #7: Computer Operating Systems
Fancy Graph #8: Mobile Operating Systems
Basically just like religions. You all have to many options, since we're all communists now according to average, and options are bad, you MAY ONLY USE WINDOWS VISTA FROM THIS POINT ON, OR THE GESTAPO WILL PAY YOU A VISIT fuck, wrong mass murderers
About Tildes
Have Acc? Value
NO ANSWER 7
yes 312
no 29
For consistency, and it didn't fit into the picture in a nice way.
Fancy Graph #9: Various Tildes Statistics
Most people migrated off reddit, followed by Hackernews. The rest is various random shit, include like 5 different ways of "I don't know", but the one person replying Gab surprised me. Didn't think people would hop on Tildes off Gab, since Gab is basically extreme rightwing Twitter and Tildes is like, the antithesis to that. Leftist userbase, longform discussion.
The long replies
Once again, can't graph the shit outta this, so here's the collection of them. One reply per line. Had to format some replies to fit this format, I know someone did bullet points, apologies.
What do you like about Tildes?
What do you dislike about Tildes?
What would you change about Tildes?
Final notes
To keep my sanity in check, although when I read this post, that probably didn't work out too well, I kept some notes.
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Someone suggested to ban all Europeans off the platform. You now have the stats, so I'm going to let you guess from where they are. Fucking hilarious.
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Someone very cordial managed to write an entire blog post into one of the final freeform boxes. I appreciate the feedback and I'm sure Deimos does as well, but why did you have to make so many empty lines? TBH it's more on Jotform for not removing linebreaks when giving you the CSV, it breaks the entire format.
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We should have a prize for that person who fit a textbook into the box for ethnicity, also amazing, you mad fucking lad (or lass, but statistics are on my side, lol)
In closing, most answers were good and interesting, except for the part where I let you run wild with the politics question, holy fuck, but that's on me. To the people that reduced my IQ by a few points, well I took the piss outta you already, so I hope you have a great day. Everyone else, I hope you [REDACTED] on a few [REDACTED]. Wait, I think I mixed something up here.As you may have guessed, don't take this too seriously
As always, see you all next year, same time?Unless I get banned, which seems like a good possibility when I proofread all this, so much angerI need to get laid, or drunkActually how high does this go?
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Grzmot
Since my answers were not particularly secret, this account is pseudonymous anyway, and my view on STEM is somewhat identifying in itself, I may as well explain that I was the one who wrote the "not STEM" answer, and it appears that I accidentally left out the first few words. What I had meant to write was "Science, not STEM". This omission is somewhat implied by the remainder of the entry.
I increasingly feel that STEM (and worse, STEAM) is an attempt to recast scholarly research, with the purpose of furthering human knowledge, as instead being part of wider business interests in "technology and engineering", with the purpose of furthering profits. While I am a physicist, I would argue that, in its goals and philosophy, my occupation has, or at least should have, more in common with humanities research than with engineering or "technology". What does wanting to understand the world better have to do with wanting to build new consumer products?
So I will throw STEM over my shoulder. Science I will keep.
Unfortunately, that's capitalism for ya. We got some of the brightest minds in the world essentially working on how to get us to buy more crap we don't need and how to make that crap even cheaper.
Pure (for lack of a better word) scientists are a delight, though. Divining the mysteries of the universe is pretty damn cool.
I suppose I should note that I have no particular disagreement with the existence of engineering and technology development for capitalist or other purposes—it does have certainly have its place in the world—I'm just dismayed at the way some parts of society are using it to try to change perspectives on science and mathematics, as part of what feels like a larger scale assault on academia and non-business research in general.
We see this with the humanities as well, except instead of being subsumed into "technology", they are being subsumed into "education", while the purpose of the academy appears to be being shifted to workforce training.
Oof, I find this extremely relatable. I really feel like higher education has lost its way in a lot of respects. One thing that I wish people would think about more is the idea that college should prepare you for some kind of career (with a few exceptions) is actually quite a recent development. I mean, after all, most people who attended higher education up until like the mid 20th century were people who came from wealthy families that owned land and businesses who probably didn't have much need for something like employment.
The whole point of going to college wasn't to prepare for some kind of career. The whole point of going to college was to give you the tools you need to be a completely free and independent person physically, economically, and intellectually. And when you think about the liberal arts curriculum (including stuff like a physical education requirement for college) in that context, I think it makes a lot more sense and its value really shines through.
Now, you are supposed to go to college "for" something and the liberal arts are basically min maxed out of existence and considered a "waste of time".
I feel like we all need to reconsider what the purpose of college should be, because I feel like "education" should mean giving people the stuff they need to be good critical thinkers. And that's not something you can teach very well through specialization.
I think if there's any consolation, at least with regards to technical fields (particularly programming), is that the rise of bootcamp-style courses and MOOCs may end up filling the trade-school niche for white-collar jobs. Their efficacy, of course, is still up for debate.
But, I wholeheartedly agree that university ought to be a place to develop one's mind in multiple fields, not just a singular field that one hopes may pay the bills down the line. University ought to be a place for enlightenment, dammit!
The library I used for pulling the answers out of the CSV into my code had a problem with ',' being used in replies, as it was the delimiter (character used between answers). So it wasn't your fault, but
minetotally the fault of the arcane powers of code.Thanks again, Grzmot. I think a lot of people don't really understand how difficult, time-consuming, and frustrating it is to run something like this, and I hope the light-hearted rage permeating almost every sentence of this post helps get that across.
I always especially appreciate the free-form site feedback sections, since there's a lot of good thoughts in there that don't necessarily come up through normal use/discussion on the site itself.
Hey man, it's the least I can do. I appreciate for running the site so smoothly, and sorry for causing moderation overhead when you had to delete that one comment of mine some time ago. 'twas justified.
It's cathartic, ya know? You spend weeks trying to make everyone happy and then you can just be like that gif from Mr. Bean where he gives the middle finger to everyone.
They definitely are, but I can't understand some of them. I'd take it all with multiple grains of salt.
thanks for running this, @Grzmot! i’m kind of surprised at how little things changed from when i was running this.
The rare Kat post <3!
Everyone get your cameras.
The only things that changed are the amount of salt in the post.
And boy, I am going to keep it up, because trashing all you poor souls is fucking fun.
Gods, I love banter.
Hola!!!!!
It's really nice to see you popping up out of your warren hole.
Huzzah, the semi-annual Kat appearance has arrived! I always look forward to it, and am glad to know you're still kicking around. ❤️ :)
OOTL?
@Kat (AKA TheMeerKat) was one of the first users on the site, did a lot of cool stuff for it (like running the original demographics surveys, and old unofficial wiki, etc)... and is just an all around awesome person. :)
The only time she really comments these days (at least under a recognizable psuedonym) usually coincides with the latest census post... hence my joke. :P
Ah thanks. I remember now.
All of those responses to the last three questions make for excellent feedback. Thanks again for taking the time to put this together. I think it's time for that open signup page we've discussed in ~tildes - with an off switch just like Metafilter so we can dodge large signup waves.
All the comments about federation strike me as premature, though. I think federation would be a great feature to have, but before we can make intelligent decisions about federation structure, we have to have a better sense of what a single Tildes node is and how it operates. The moderation problem is vastly more important, and federation will complicate it greatly.
Once we've got more polished mod tools, mechanics for posts to level up from subgroups into parent groups, and better comment threading, that's the time to start to think about federating it. I sense a very usenet-like system allowing the posts to flow from node to node just like they eventually will flow from group to group, with some degree of control over which groups on which nodes cross-publish content from other groups on other nodes.
There's an editorial/publishing highway system in there somewhere I think. But we've got to have that working well on Tildes itself to know the shape and mechanics of it first, otherwise we're just taking shots in the dark about how it should work in the fediverse and that'll lead to lots of mistakes and bad design.
The map was generated by Excel, so blame Microsoft. Definitely wasn't on purpose I absolutely do not agree with it. Apologies.
ah yes, there are definitely some numbers missing; Ireland has 3 that aren't shown
I guess I'm the only person in Japan who took the survey. With the amount of weebs
hereon tildes, I thought there'd be more.If it counts, I used to live in Japan, though I'm not Japanese myself. Had Tildes started a year earlier, there'd be two people writing from Japan :D
Pretty sure the rest of the world has more weebs in it than Japan.
Wait shit that actually makes sense.
Genuinely not surprised the lady count is only higher by one, genuinely sad the lady count is only higher by one. The sausage fest walls close in day by day. I weep.
Blesst be the tildes census. Hail the rage of Grzmot! It is mighty and righteous! I greatly appreciate the time and effort of the census. I love looking at the stats, because I'm a nosy ho. Thank you kindly, Grzmot.
Tildes is only following sacred internet law, as we all know: There are no girls on the internet.And if there are, tits or GTFO
Thank you for blessing my rage.
a meme, just for you
Thank you for your participation, and I hope to see ya around.
The ethnicity results really killed me. "White", "white", "Caucasion", "caucasion, "causcasion" "European", "european", "white British". The autogenerated results from the form are literally Asian, Mixed, and 8 different ways to say white 😂 I look flrward to picking through the results in more detail later, thanks for publishing them! :)
Actually "White British" is the formal term used in the UK to identify caucasians of British heritage. So when we use it we're identifying ourselves in the same fashion that we're generally identified by the government and census organisations.
To put it another way White Polish in the UK will face a lot of discrimination from certain parts of society that White British won't face. To simply identify everyone as Caucasian means you lose all this valuable census data.
Also it's worth noting that Asian in the UK is equivalent to what Americans call "South Asian". But in the UK we break this down to be perfectly clear and categorise as:
Unfortunately the tildes census doesn't capture any of this information so the "ethnicity" may be very misleading.
The British census options are worded slightly differently but very similar lines drawn to the old colonial blobs that were used for organizing territory.
Well, as the only cultured continent on Earth(TM), we Europeans discriminate each other based on invisible lines drawn across the land and not something as barbaric as skin colour!
Does anyone have any ideas on how to grow the site? The lack of activity, diversity, and 'power user' problems all seem like they could be solved with some new users. My rare visits to Reddit usually end with me sending a pm with an invite code to anyone I see who leaves a thoughtful comment, but I don't think anyone has ever followed through with it and it wouldn't change much if they did. I love this site and the community we have here, and I love knowing who (almost) everyone is when I sort through the comments section, but I worry that tildes will fade away without some more substantial growth.
The open signup page should be enough for a next step. The results show there are plenty of lurkers out there without accounts who care at least enough to fill out a survey.
The concept of importing communities from other sites is a tantalizing one. It's also something very new in the social media world. Most migrations everyone packs up and moves haphazardly over a long time period to a new general site, and those original communities disperse. Others would move to their own specialized website to maintain the community. Either way you lose rather a lot of people in the process, so no migration happens without a bit of bruising. The only place more direct migrations ever happened was on reddit when subs would fork into new ones, and that's precisely what gives reddit it's longevity.
An import tool would be focused on two things - first, identifying and sending invites to those community members, and second, getting them all in a timely fashion rather than over months or years. A quick migration is probably better than a protracted one, less attrition. I imagine the tool being tailored for the 'mod' group of a given community to use to do the migration themselves. If we did that here I expect we'd be generating new groups for each of them when they land.
This could complicate hierarchy management somewhat but since groups can move around in the hierarchy, it'll all get sorted eventually. It would be a bit rude to invite a community here and not give them their own group - the only reason we resist group creation is because low activity levels are the kiss of death. If a community is coming in with enough people to get over that ghost-town vibe, that's not a problem. We probably want to track those invites differently, too. Rather than 'invited by user x' it's 'joined during import of community x' and that could be useful info for anti-evil tools further down the line.
Tildes is still relatively unknown too. There are a hell of a lot of communities and people who are ready to migrate away from corporate social media sites, the only thing holding them back is finding that viable alternative. There's nothing stopping people here from sending out emails, PMs, and invite codes to other communities or individuals that are discussing a move. Part of this is just plain old fashioned outreach.
I think part of the reason we have the userbase we have is how we went about it and lately where certain plugs appear. We invited primarily from reddit (and specifically, /r/depthhub) and from hackernews, so our userbase should be no surprise and that is what we wanted at the start. Also, you'll find Tildes getting plugged in places like privacytools.io which is just going to bring in more of the same. This is pretty natural for new forums, the STEM crowd is always on top of it because the STEM crowd is the one that creates these places.
We could look into a more focused outreach at non-tech places. Send emails to a couple journalists or influencers and see if they get interested enough to do a piece on it, which would build mindshare. I've thought about sending out a few choice emails to people like that but I've held back because I didn't get the sense we were ready for that yet.
Oh, and I almost forgot. There's one other incredibly important thing that drives community building. AMAs. Remember those, before reddit decided to treat them as garbage posts? They put reddit on the map, full stop. It was AMAs and nothing else mattered much in that calculus. Just look at the response and the links that were generated on other sites when we had that Mozilla AMA here - I bet @deimos has some interesting traffic numbers related to that post. Anything we can do to drive AMA activity is a big win.
two russians only now :(
This either means someone's moved out (in which case, congratulations!), or one of the Russians is not in position to respond to the census (in which case, I hope you're working on moving out!), or someone left, in which case,
:().Then again, apparently there's 8 people with Russian as a language on their sheet.
Which words did you censor that "fuck" was left in? :D
I thought this was the consensus already.
Also, I thought I'd be able to pinpoint my long-form reply in the crowd. Nope! I don't even remember what mine was, and the articulation of some of the (non-)users make it more difficult to trawl for one that sounds like mine.
Sadly @ainar-g, another of your fellow Russians, went on break from the site some time ago and I don't know if he plans on coming back. I miss him and his unique Russian music submissions a lot. :(
I noticed that @Algernon_Asimov seems to have also vanished, from mid-August. I miss him.
Didn't he disappear for some time last year as well? Maybe he's just taking a break.
This either means someone's moved out (in which case, congratulations!), or one of the Russians is not in position to respond to the census (in which case, I hope you're working on moving out!), or someone left, in which case, :().
Hey don't fret, I'm sure they just didn't get around to answering the census. Maybe the dude is currently getting hammered while dating a super hot Russian model. Or the other way around.
Good question, but at this point I forgot, I do remember that they were pretty nasty.
Mostly, I think, but there was one person who complained about alt righters.
There's something mighty satisfyin' in finding another Russian person in the predominantly-English-speaking area, of Internet or otherwise. Gives you an additional route for personal connection, something I've never experienced with someone non-Russian.
Seeing 33% of the local Russian population disappear from the census is just short of heartbreaking.
But then, if they are having a great time, I'm nothing but happy for them.
I have been in foreign countries and met other people speaking my native language, I know the feeling mate.
They definitely are. Just believe(tm)
I want to see the 23andMe report someone submitted in ethnicity question.
This is very well done btw thanks for making it.
that was me!
here you go:
https://you.23andme.com/published/reports/36b3582c671449d3/?share_id=f7779a48a7544751
AncestryDNA whilst we're at it, too:
https://www.ancestry.com/dna/origins/share/af80a38f-dfb1-4fbb-82fc-7e20bdd1b663
I won't post it here, but Grzmot did leave it in the json dump :D. Also you need a account on their site to view it so I couldn't look at it :(.
Thanks. I love all the random info I see on the Internet. Also they let me create account but don't provide services in India. :(
Ha... I was considering something similar, but my AncestryDNA results show that I'm a basic-ass Mexican-American. Which makes sense, but... I was hoping for some unexpected ethnic line to pop-up. For reference, it looks something like this.
When I got my father a 23AndMe test for his birthday a few years ago, we found out that our entire lives have been lies!!!! Despite him constantly expressing proudness over our Italian heritage, it turns out (genetically speaking) his side of the family is mostly from the Balkans. :P
In hindsight that result makes total sense though, since his family comes from Friuli (the most northeastern Italian region), and many of our distant relatives still live in a town outside Udine, which is just stones throw away from the Slovenian border.
Thanks for putting up the census and compiling the results, Grzmot! This was interesting to read. Not extremely surprising, but still interesting.
I'd like to open the discussion relating to the results of the "dislike" freeform: A few responses mentioned the site being too "tech-centric" in one way or another, mostly that too many tech topics get posted and not enough news about "other" stuff. I would agree with this sentiment, but I would also ask: What can be done about this?
I guess from my perspective it's a sort of a chicken-and-egg problem. If there's something I think about posting to Tildes, it's likely because I think it would appeal to the interests of the userbase. So I feel like the best way to encourage new content is some way to allow the userbase to show interest in it. I guess that's where surveys like this one help, by allowing people that voice. In my opinion, one of the benefits of specific sub-groupings is that it serves as an "opt-in" system for that type of content. But, I know that's balanced against a low user population making such sub-groupings content graveyards. I don't know what the solution is, but that's why I wanted to open the topic for discussion.
I hope you found something interesting once you managed to parse through horrible writing.
I think it's a very though nut to crack. One of the longform replies mentioned groups for groups like women and black people, but it would probably suffer from the same problems as the current ~lgbt group, i.e, good in theory, but fucking dead in practice. I don't know if trimming groups that have little activity makes a lot of sense. Most of the stuff posted in ~lgbt could probably fit into another group with an lgbt tag, for example, but I can't fault anyone for wanting to keep it around.
Ultimately it's a problem that can only be solved by more users actively participating, but the people current users invite are usually only interested in more of the same, as people befriend each other based on interest, so it makes a lot of sense that Tildes is so tech-heavy. You can't really fix this unless you have a mass migration of users interested in something else that isn't technology.
Might be a troll reply, as it's literally the only thing filled out in that reply. We should honestly somehow get it connected to Tildes accounts, but I can already hear the privacy-conscious folk of this site screeching in the distance and sending nukes my way.
Ah, I see that Civilizations Ghandi is also your spirit animal.
Please consider not continuing to use the phase "spirit animal"
This data is pretty neat to look at, thanks for compiling it @grzmot, and let me know if you want some help coming up with a non JotForm based solution next time, to save you the headache.
Probably will, if we could somehow automate the generation of the graphs it'd save a lot of time that could be spent on writing instead. And with writing I mean insulting everyone and everything, as we all know and understand, the most important part of the census.
Definitely agree. Out of curiousity, any reason you didn't go with Google Forms? My non-profit built out our mentor program as well as when our events on Google Forms, but we also didn't put much time or energy into that decision. We considered tossing Tellform on a server I have, but ultimately decided it wasn't worth the time to run the docker image and remember to shut it down when we didn't need it.
The privacy conscious folk of Tildes had issues with it, see here: https://tildes.net/~tildes/ryt/the_results_of_the_actual_unofficial_2020_tildes_census#comment-5mei
As you can see, people already have problems using their Tildes accounts for verification, I don't even want to connect it to the census in any way.
Roger. I'm one of those privacy minded folks actually, but I figure the anonymous data is public, so it's not like I could stop Google from getting the data if they wanted it.
I agree, but this way you aren't going to give it to them directly, I guess.
Heh. Sorry.
It's ok
friendocomrade.Thanks so much for putting all of this together @Grzmot!
I'm curious about this, because I think that yes this is always a risk and probably true sort of as an overarching rule, if that makes sense. But I also know on Reddit at least the majority of the "arguing" I see (at least when it comes to US politics) is among Democrats and Liberals, whereas the Conservative subreddits and groups all basically seem to get along.
That's because the big planks in the Republican platform are the moneyed interests and the identitartians, which can get along pretty well because they're all eating well. Democrats have to put up with progressives, neoliberals, blue dogs, union types and the capitalists who aren't funding the other side.
Right, I understand that, it was more to present a possible counter-argument to most people being liberal here meaning we're in an echo chamber.
Thanks for the cool graphics! I noticed you might have forgotten to make a graph for sexuality and the Kinsey scale. Looking at the json data it looks like there is a lot of gayness here, which is cool, similarly to last year I think. The Kinsey scale results are pretty interesting - there aren't a lot of "strictly heterosexual" people here.
There are actually three people that put pirate in their political identity - not just one - that's pretty cool!
If it’s self-reported this would exhibit some weird clustering effects. Most straight people don’t spend much time reflecting on their actual preferences, so you’ll get a lot of scoring for max straightness that might not be really reflective of reality. Meanwhile non-straight people spend a lot more time worrying about it so they’ll be like “ahhh am I a 3 or a 4? I don’t know!”
Yep, forgot about sexuality. I added it, here's the graph for your pleasure: https://u.cubeupload.com/monarch/fd5sexuality.png
As for the kinsey, I totally forgot about that, fuck. I also added it, average is 1,37.
God I wish we were all communists, can we please make this bit into reality?
Yeah, the average political compass results are very much not what I would associate with a "leftist echo chamber".
I like it, but it hasn't and won't work in reality, cause humans are cunts. Especially if you give them power.
You're right, we really can be. Capitalism might even work if we were so predisposed to charity that material abundance benefitted everyone. If we were so good that we would work against our economic incentives to be assholes, it might be okay. Too bad about that. Real shame I can't be that idealist.
But let's not derail any further :P
You mean as long as humans are cunts.
Shall we add eugenics to our list of crimes to make communism work? Genetic selection + CRISPR, and we're abonimable but a commune.
Give people power, take reactionaries' kneecaps. Balance: achieved.
lol, you always have to comment on my response to my job, don't you? Last time, I said I have just a job, not a career--and you gave me a sympathetic response. This time, I just said, 'meh,' and you couldn't leave that alone. Very amusing. I simply have a job--I don't have a career! I don't dwell on it! But if you ask me what my job is, I'm going to respond, ya know?
I'm not offended at all, I just find it amusing. I think most people have jobs, not careers, right? I'm a little sad about it, because I tried to have a career, but there's more to my life than my job. But if you ask me, "What do you do?," and I'm anonymous, I'm of course not going to respond with the bullshit good-sounding answer that I'd say in person. I'm going to say whatever I said last year, and then a year later, I'm going to say, "meh."
Anyway. I appreciate you running this. It's enjoyable to fill out a survey. Though I have to admit, you sound a little judgmental. Last year, you told me, "we're here for you," and this year you sound a little pissed off about my "meh." I'm pretty sure it's just sarcastic and for effect, but that definitely takes away from last year's "we're here for you" (which I suppose I didn't believe anyway). I don't expect much from anonymous forums, but I guess I like when people on the internet seem sincere. And I thought there was a little sincerity last year. I knew very well that Tildes wasn't "here for me." But I'd thought that maybe whatever I said had made an impression and you were a little sympathetic. Now, I guess I think you were just saying something about the hundreds of responses you got to entertain us.
I'm a little drunk after my three year-old's birthday party with my side of the family, so don't mind me. But there's something to this drunken comment that you might appreciate thinking about. I don't know what it is, but maybe you'll figure it out. If not, don't worry about it. I'm cool with everyone.
But you have the possibility of not giving an answer, just don't check anything, and we'll be swell. Meh is not a job, it's just another way of not giving an answer that dilutes the stats, it makes no SENSEREEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Of course it was sincere, and the offer still stands. The most we can (probably) do is talk, but we're here for that. It's just an interesting sideeffect of the level of jade you get when doing this repeatedly. People should fit into the boxes I made for them DAMMIT!
After all, the anger is only for jokes (mostly), but the sympathy isn't. Kind of weird, I know, but that's how banter works.
A big thank you for running this survey, Grzmot! Based on your writeup, it sounds like you've earned yourself a hearty indulgence in
[insert preferred vice here]. Cheers! Or, you know, whatever is the appropriate salutation for[insert preferred vice here].As the only person who wrote 'Technocrat' as their political affiliation, I would love to find out who the person is that defines themselves as 'eu technocracy' and maybe we can get a virtual drink and chat!
If you're out there reading this fellow technocrat, may we meet on the technate in the sky or online .
Also: Big thanks to @Grzmot for this year's census! Hoping this time next year we can have some major growth (especially in the gender spectrum, god damn that is depressing).
@Deimos, next year can we have a banner or link in the top of the site or sidebar to draw attention and get more responses on a census? I nearly missed it this year and I imagine quite a few did.
Maybe, but the more we do like that, the more it starts getting iffy about how "unofficial" the survey really is. This one was already in ~tildes.official with the special "official post" styling and was bumped regularly for a few days, which probably made it the most prominent non-official post in the site's history.
It's a hard balance because I've had multiple people tell me that the censuses make them uncomfortable, since basically the entire point of them is to collect a lot of personal data from Tildes users. Sure, they're voluntary, but it's still kind of in opposition to the site's general pro-privacy principles, especially since they're being done through a third-party service.
I'd be great if you find who you're looking for, after all connecting people is what the census is supposed to be all about! :)
I honestly can't remember if I participated or not in this census... Is there a way I can find?
Not directly, but you can shoot me a PM with the data you would have entered (country, age, etc, the more the better) and I should be able to find you in my dataset.
Have you seen this topic before?
https://tildes.net/~tildes.official/rk7/the_actual_2020_tildes_unofficial_census
(is the link blue or purple? purple = previously visited)
If not, then you probably didn't. But to be sure, you could always check your browser history for the jotforms link of the census: https://form.jotform.com/202281385322348
I use a lot of devices, but I'm thinking that I probably didn't participate.
Interestingly that first link was blue for me, but I know I partook in the census.
Ah... just noticed that Deimos edited the title and then it was moved from ~tildes to ~tildes.official too. So the link actually changed at a few points and most likely would have previously been:
https://tildes.net/~tildes/rk7/the_actual_2020_tildes_census OR
https://tildes.net/~tildes/rk7/the_actual_2020_tildes_unofficial_census
Are either of those purple for you?
p.s. Incidentally, I only now just noticed that group (and username) links intentionally have the visited color set to remain the same as unvisited. Neat.
I'm not sure that's practical, since the 3 datasets for the 3 political axes measured aren't connected or connectable in any real way (and that was a really important requirement for the census), so it would probably look more like a bunch of vertical points for the governmental axis, a bunch of horizontal points for the economic axis and a bunch of lines for the social axis. I think making 3 bar charts from those datasets would be better.
YOU DID THIS ONE A PHONE? YOU MAD FUCKING LAD.
My best guess is initial occurence in the original dataset, as the code walks through the CSV and adds it to the respective dictionary (a map, basically, doesn't matter if you don't know what that is), so it's not really sorted by anything.
Taiwan also got counted towards China. It's a function in excel to generate country graphs, so it's on Microsoft.
B a s e d. All HAIL THE COMPASS.
Yes. Took me 3 backup notes on my phone, actually 5 or 6 hours ("a few" being before constantly bouncing around 2-10% battery in 15 minute intervals), 80% of my phone battery (and a lot of probably bad charging habits) and finding this pretty engaging for the entire stretch because... I honestly don't know why, but I liked doing this.
Hm. My guess after sorting through all that was that they're ordered based on how long has it been since someone last answered that kinda like the activity sorts here because a lot of the bottom answers only have 1 or 2 people who picked them as answers.
M' kay. To hell with them traitors! But seriously, wiping that nation off the map is really dumb, even if it's a super poor place.
Noo, you can't do that, we've already told you so!
Jokes aside, I was gonna defend your reply that it is just an edgy humor sub and I went to check politicalcompassmemes and a comment saying "interracial porn is globalist propaganda" (nearly verbatim) got 100 upvotes and a similar comment on the same post with 600. It's very depressing to see how the sub is turning out.
Otherwise, very dank my chap.
The sub does have a problem of satire often just turning into overt bullshit, but that sounds more like satire than an actual statement, but you never know with racists (and I don't have the context).
I actually found that the sub was becoming a little more balanced, there was a ton of lib left bashing a month or so ago and now the memes are a little more bashing everyone. But yeah, comments have always been a little toxic.
Hi. The past 18 months (ish) has been fun.