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12 votes
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What if we got rid of votes entirely?
There are no downvotes (which is a very good idea) and we are sorting by activity anyway. So what if we took the next logical step and got rid of the entire voting system? Please hear me out! :)...
There are no downvotes (which is a very good idea) and we are sorting by activity anyway. So what if we took the next logical step and got rid of the entire voting system? Please hear me out! :)
(1) Up-voting does not encourage quality postings (see, for instance, https://medium.com/the-physics-arxiv-blog/data-mining-reveals-how-the-down-vote-leads-to-a-vicious-circle-of-negative-feedback-aad9d49da238 ; yes the article also covers the up-vote).
(2) Anecdotally, up-voting discourages quality postings. I have often been frustrated because well-thought-out comments (by me or by others) got one hundredth of the up-votes of a strategically placed "lol" or something similarly trivial. People upvote things that evoke an emotional response, not things that make them think. (Source lost, unfortunately.)
(3) Up-votes are time-critial. Being the first one to comment often assures getting the most up-votes, which can lead to (2), to "first" posts, and to quick posts instead of well though-out comments.
(4) (Edit!) Up-voting can create an echo-chamber, because quality if measured by popularity.
All in all, voting is just a social media habit without any benefit and with the possibility of a large detrimental effect on posting quality. Old-school Web fora and Usenet worked fine without it and quality was (arguably) superior.
Would you really miss the option to vote? Is it worth the detrimental effects?
Please discuss!
Edit: fixed the link to the article. Thanks!
45 votes -
The Atlas Moth - The Streets of Bombay (2018)
6 votes -
Prime Minister Of Doom - Mudshadow Propaganda (2018)
7 votes -
My best friend is currently at Walt Disney World (for the third time this year), and got this.. I am literally envious
11 votes -
iWatch Watch Face Scheduling
Wouldn't it be great if you could schedule your watch face by the time of day? If I am at work I want certain complications and if I exercise after work it would be great if another watch face for...
Wouldn't it be great if you could schedule your watch face by the time of day? If I am at work I want certain complications and if I exercise after work it would be great if another watch face for that purpose appears.
7 votes -
Colon and rectal cancer screenings should start at 45, new US guidelines say
6 votes -
Sons Of Kemet - My Queen Is Angela Davis
8 votes -
Lauren Ruth Ward - Sideways (2018)
7 votes -
Pusha T - The Story of Adidon (Drake Diss Response) (2018)
9 votes -
What is Software Engineering? (Go & Versioning, Part 9)
5 votes -
Pokemon Let's Go Pikachu! and Pokemon Let's Go Eevee! Announced
10 votes -
After the Rev. Moon died in 2012, his church split apart. Two of his sons established a new congregation. Their followers are eagerly awaiting the end times. And they are armed.
5 votes -
No Man's Sky Next [Inside XBox]
15 votes -
Daily Tildes discussion - general plans for the week
Like I did last week, I'm going to use the Monday post to talk about the general plans for this week: Finish up the remaining pieces to open-source the site's code. I was hoping to get most of...
Like I did last week, I'm going to use the Monday post to talk about the general plans for this week:
- Finish up the remaining pieces to open-source the site's code. I was hoping to get most of this done last week (and did get a fair amount done), but there's still some left. I'm pretty confident this will happen sometime this week.
- More fixes/updates that we need to be able to continue the growth smoothly. I think I figured out the issues with staying logged in, and that's definitely been a big annoyance for a lot of people. Major other ones that I want to get done soon are improvements to notifications (adding a "mark all as read" or similar), allowing people to set their default sorting options for topic lists, some improvements to make navigating large comment threads easier, and probably the beginning of some filtering/searching based on tags. I'll probably also add a couple more groups that people have been requesting.
- More updates to documentation and information. There are a couple of merge requests open already that I need to include, and then need to do some other updates that people have pointed out are missing or otherwise confusing.
- Grow some more! We've closed off the mass invite-request threads on reddit for now since we were getting way too many requests, but Tildes keeps getting mentioned in various places (like this thread today), so that's bringing in a fair amount of attention. We'll probably go for another burst later in the week, but for the moment I've given everyone 3 invite codes again that you can use to invite others (friends, or just people on reddit or other sites if you see them expressing interest or think they'd be interested). You can get the codes here: https://tildes.net/invite
That's it for now, I think. Let me know if you have any thoughts about any of this, or recommendations for other things that need to get worked on in the near future.
52 votes -
Italy: Political turbulence spooks global financial markets. The euro has fallen to its lowest value against the dollar in almost a year.
9 votes -
Active Shooter and its developer have been removed from Steam
8 votes -
Lobotomizing GNOME
9 votes -
What things in gaming do you not agree with or do not like that the general audience enjoys?
Of course no one likes microtransactions (I feel dirty for typing that), low-effort cash grabs, and all the funny stuff 'early access' games have done. Tell me about things that you're certain...
Of course no one likes microtransactions (I feel dirty for typing that), low-effort cash grabs, and all the funny stuff 'early access' games have done. Tell me about things that you're certain everyone but you likes, or maybe not even something you don't like but don't agree with.
23 votes -
I see your mass of free Steam keys and raise you mine
What a great way to get rid of these. Hit me with a comment or PM and I'll send you the code. Claim like 5 at a time if you want, there's just so many. e: If it's still up here, the key probably...
What a great way to get rid of these. Hit me with a comment or PM and I'll send you the code. Claim like 5 at a time if you want, there's just so many.
e: If it's still up here, the key probably isn't claimed.
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A bunch of AwesomeNauts YogsCast Packs
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Bezier
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Bomb Defense
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Chainsaw Warrior
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Chime Sharp
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Clusterpuck 99
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Dimension Jump
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Filthy, Stinking Orcs
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Offensive Combat: Redux!
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Painters Guild
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Scanner Sombre
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Team Racing League
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Tiltagon
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Wasted Pizza
That's it! Have fun!
26 votes -
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‘We'll find you and hang you': Russian bloggers threatened for their efforts at doxxing pro-government Cossacks
4 votes -
Imgur adds videos
19 votes -
UI suggestions
Some suggestions I think would improve navigation a bit: 1.Comment votes. I think comment votes should appear at the bottom of the comment. The reason for that is is to avoid "copycat voting" (I'm...
Some suggestions I think would improve navigation a bit:
1.Comment votes. I think comment votes should appear at the bottom of the comment. The reason for that is is to avoid "copycat voting" (I'm sure there must be another term). I think it's a common effect: you see a comment, you see it has 5 votes while the rest you've been reading have 1 or 2, you start being predisposed to see it as a valuable comment even before reading it, you end up voting it too, etc. Similarly to why the top level reply box is at the end of the thread, I think having comment votes at the end of the comment (or even hidden under an expandable menu, but maybe that's too much) would help users reading comments more open-mindedly. I would even argue that putting the user name at the bottom would be a good idea as well, especially since the user base now is small is easy to adscribe more credibility to some user names than others, which is not bad by itself, but might push a type of "authoritative bias".
2.Top level comments count. If we understand top level comments as the main ideas discussed in a thread, maybe it would make sense to show that in the post. Right now, what we get in the submission listing is the title, username, the ~, the tags and the comment number. I wonder how important is having the total comment number shown here. I guess it's an indicator of activity, but maybe it'd be more interesting having the top level comment number, indicating the ramifications of the topic. Total comment count could be maintained as well, or not, or just when entering the submission, etc. New comments could still be shown in the listing. After all, if we are ordering by activity, we care that there is some activity, and total number of comments is not that relevant.
3.Cascading tags. Not so sure about this one, but I though I'd mention it. When marking a comment Off-topic... I think most usually all comments under that one will also be Off-topic. Maybe it'd make sense that from that point on all comments would be marked as off topic automatically, and possibly collapsed. Right now it seems when there is an off topic comment thread, you just keep seeing off topic tags down the line, which is a bit distracting and probably unnecessary since they are almost surely going to be off topic, so it's probably not necessary for user to try and judge that. Maybe, if it makes sense, this would better be done when the tags are more developed.
4.Parent link for context. Thank you for adding the parent link! Much needed. However, wouldnt it be better if when tapping a parent link, the end page would be the parent comment (obviously) plus the comment where you tapped the link? What I mean is, to provide better context, I think it'd be better to show the parent and the comment I was reading, with all other comments under the parent AND above the origin comment collapsed. I don't know if that's clear...
- Reply - Tag - Vote. Probably a bit nitpicking here, but I think inverting the current order of the Reply and Vote buttons would be a better fit. Since most people are right handed, and the action of voting is (probably?) more common than replying, having the vote button on the right side might be a minor enhancement in usability.
6.Highlighting OP's comments. Right now, OP's comments are marked by "(OP)" next to the username. I think it'd be better to make the indication more evident. For example, displaying OP's username in a different color or marking the comment with a different color (as with new comments in orange or own comments in purple). I would prefer the username color since it's less invasive while still being easy to spot.
Anyway, just some ideas I've had in the last few days, hopefully not too ridiculous or confusingly worded.
EDIT: Sorry for the generic title, I forgot to edit it before sending...
18 votes -
Core War Programming Game
7 votes -
UTC is enough for everyone, right?
13 votes -
How can non-native speakers improve their english writing skills?
I'm not a native speaker, but from browsing reddit, understand 95% of what I read / hear. I also watch TV Shows exclusively in english. However, when i write a comment or something in english, it...
I'm not a native speaker, but from browsing reddit, understand 95% of what I read / hear. I also watch TV Shows exclusively in english. However, when i write a comment or something in english, it always feels like it doesn't really "flow".
How can i, or other non-native speakers improve our writing skills?
15 votes -
Hey ~comp, what's your current project?
What are you working on?
38 votes -
The car that got away.
I always like to hear peoples stories on their favorite car. Be it one your dad had when you were younger, or that rust bucket you could do anything too without a care in the world. It really is...
I always like to hear peoples stories on their favorite car. Be it one your dad had when you were younger, or that rust bucket you could do anything too without a care in the world. It really is the experiences that make a car so great to some, not the power under the hood.
In short: What was/is your favorite car and how did it earn that title.
12 votes -
Any Factorio players here?
Just wondering if anyone else around here plays Factorio. I got it a few weeks ago and am having a wonderful time of wasting hours upon hours building massive spaghetti factories :) I'd swear that...
Just wondering if anyone else around here plays Factorio. I got it a few weeks ago and am having a wonderful time of wasting hours upon hours building massive spaghetti factories :)
I'd swear that I'm not completely addicted but that would be a lie.
17 votes -
So Bethesda are teasing something new, possibly a new fallout game.
Their twitch page is live and their twitter header has changed, both referencing fallout very heavily. I don't remember how to do links properly, so I'm just gonna throw them in here at the...
Their twitch page is live and their twitter header has changed, both referencing fallout very heavily. I don't remember how to do links properly, so I'm just gonna throw them in here at the bottom.
https://twitter.com/bethesda
https://www.twitch.tv/bethesdaEDIT: the stream crashed literally as I posted this. Great job bethesda.
18 votes -
Let's talk about jobs. Are you just working a day-to-day or have you found your calling?
Personally, I feel like I'm in between. I started off as a Manufacturing Engineer, and something just didn't feel right. I sort of fell backwards into Health and Safety, and I love the field, but...
Personally, I feel like I'm in between. I started off as a Manufacturing Engineer, and something just didn't feel right. I sort of fell backwards into Health and Safety, and I love the field, but it's yet another job where you've got to be the bad guy. My mission is to have people believe that I really care about their safety, not some arbitrary numbers.
How about you? What's your favorite part of your job? Least favorite?
26 votes -
Humble ARMA 2018 Bundle
4 votes -
Stonefield - Delusion (2018)
6 votes -
Guide to Z80 ASM basics
I've been thinking about messing around with Z80 ASM for a while with the end goal of doing interesting things with one of my old TI calculators. Finally got around to doing some googling, found...
I've been thinking about messing around with Z80 ASM for a while with the end goal of doing interesting things with one of my old TI calculators. Finally got around to doing some googling, found this guide to the basics, and thought I'd share it for anyone else who might like to read it.
13 votes -
Reverse emulating the NES to give it SUPER POWERS!
13 votes -
AI researchers boycotting Nature's new Machine Intelligence journal
10 votes -
Regrets
What regrets do you have in your life, minor or major? Personally, I regret signing up to a new cool website without name changes and NOT just taking the name Scar or Whom, instead making my name...
What regrets do you have in your life, minor or major?
Personally, I regret signing up to a new cool website without name changes and NOT just taking the name Scar or Whom, instead making my name long and awkward.
25 votes -
Topic search
Are there any plans on implementing a search function? Reddit's search is pretty awful, so I think a lot of people would be interested in how Tilde plans to implement it.
14 votes -
Suggestions from a new user
Hi all. Registered several days ago and this is my first post. After reading around this group and the blog, I'm very excited for the tildes project. It's not just another reddit-style forum but...
Hi all. Registered several days ago and this is my first post.
After reading around this group and the blog, I'm very excited for the tildes project. It's not just another reddit-style forum but actually one of its own taste and style. I have some suggestions for the project and would like to share them with the community. They are the result of years of redditing with numerous frustrating experiences and few shower thoughts.
- Voting power should not be taken for granted. The ability for me to vote must be in some way tied to my contributions to the discussion. This can be implemented in a sort of formula that takes into account the user's 'score' and 'activity' which results in a finite number of votes at the user's disposal. The more you contribute the more voting power you get, and the more quality you provide in your contributions the more votes you get to use.
- Deleted posts or comments must be reflected in a user's score. One of the bad effects of having a user score is the tendency to 'karma whore' in order to increase that score no matter what. The result is low effort posts and comments. Having a system in place that removes from the user's score if their posts/comments get deleted would act as a constant reminder to the minimum level of quality required.
- Mods should not have dictator power over their groups. Sure they must have elevated accounts to run their groups, including the power to remove or ban, but they should not be invisible. There has to be an approved system where users can have the collective power to revoke the elevated account powers of a Mod if they reach a certain threshold. Not sure how to implement this exactly, may be through voting by the users of a group who have high scores or reputations. One of the cancerous ailments of reddit is the invincibility of Mods.
- The availability of formatting tools and embedding in posts. This is 2018 and inserting a photo, video, table in the body of a post should be easily implemented. Constrictions on the use of certain attention-grabbing formats (eg. large fonts, ascii art, emoji) should be also be implemented to deter low effort contributions.
Here's to hoping this project flourishes into a much-needed hub for quality content and discussions on the internet.
CheersEdit: Not sure why the first point is indented or how to fix it.
Edit2: Fixed.4 votes -
Geofencing too far? Visiting the ER can influence which advertisements you get
9 votes -
Text-only NPR News - Thought I might find some other appreciative text-only fans on Tildes
17 votes -
Home screen icon for iOS devices
I made one for Tildes Just name it "apple-touch-icon.png" and place it on the root directory of the Tildes website. Then put this in the head tag somewhere: <link rel="apple-touch-icon"...
Just name it "apple-touch-icon.png" and place it on the root directory of the Tildes website. Then put this in the head tag somewhere:
<link rel="apple-touch-icon" href="/apple-touch-icon.png">This way iOS users can add Tildes to their home screen and get a nice icon.
11 votes -
Facebook to be banned in Papua New Guinea for a month
7 votes -
A secret government report uncovered China’s attempts to influence all levels of politics in Australia
6 votes -
YouTube removes over thirty “violent” music videos as police target UK Drill
5 votes -
Ford Focus RS vs. Honda Civic Type R vs. Volkswagen Golf R vs. Subaru WRX STI Type RA
5 votes -
Can - Vitamin C (Mdme Stoll X Petko Turner Edit)
4 votes -
Stardew Valley, maybe?
For those not familiar with Stardew Valley: Developed by ConcernedApe, Stardew Valley is a farming simulation RPG that can be compared to Harvest Moon. Quite enjoyable solo, even more fun as a...
For those not familiar with Stardew Valley: Developed by ConcernedApe, Stardew Valley is a farming simulation RPG that can be compared to Harvest Moon. Quite enjoyable solo, even more fun as a multiplayer game with the new update. Available on the Switch as well as other consoles. Currently the MP is only available on Steam/GOG.
Are any other Tildes playing? Have you tried modding (on PC)? Who's your waifu/husbando?
18 votes -
‘Annihilation’ sequel: Alex Garland explains why he’s not interested in continuing the year’s greatest sci-fi movie
7 votes -
Dell Unveils New Ubuntu Laptops
12 votes