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What's something you don't understand the appeal of?

The question is straightforward, but the point of the thread isn't to just signal your dislike about or confusion towards something -- it's to hopefully get an explanation from someone who can actually put the appeal into words.

Thus, for everyone reading this thread, if you see something in the comments that you actually do like -- or that you feel like you know enough about to do it justice -- then explain away!

124 comments

  1. [9]
    0lpbm
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    Disingenuous discourse (aka trolling). In my mind the exchange of ideas between people is sacrosanct. Polluting it with things said in bad faith (outside of a recognized context of a debate) is...

    Disingenuous discourse (aka trolling).
    In my mind the exchange of ideas between people is sacrosanct. Polluting it with things said in bad faith (outside of a recognized context of a debate) is baffling to me.

    Deriving enjoyment from the frustration of people that try to parse logical meaning from these types of exchange is tantamount to sociopathy in my opinion.

    26 votes
    1. [3]
      Turtle
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      There's something very amusing to me about how worked up people can get about things that just... aren't that important (i.e. text editors, muscular women in video games), and I don't think this...

      There's something very amusing to me about how worked up people can get about things that just... aren't that important (i.e. text editors, muscular women in video games), and I don't think this is necessarily unique to myself. The premise of r/HobbyDrama is just that, and it has 140k subs. The appeal of r/SubredditDrama is very similar and it has even more. I don't think it's that weird that people find deliberately provoking such reactions entertaining, even if it's kind of unethical.

      16 votes
      1. [2]
        0lpbm
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        It looks like you are trying to justify why you might be mean to other people. Yes, a lot of people have intense opinions about things that you might consider not important, but you can always...

        It looks like you are trying to justify why you might be mean to other people. Yes, a lot of people have intense opinions about things that you might consider not important, but you can always choose not to engage or try to sustain a reasonable, good faith discussion about them.

        6 votes
        1. teaearlgraycold
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          I don’t know if it’s always wrong. I tend to have strong opinions on things that don’t matter. My friends will sometimes ask me about things like my opinion on raisins and it will send me into a 5...

          I don’t know if it’s always wrong. I tend to have strong opinions on things that don’t matter. My friends will sometimes ask me about things like my opinion on raisins and it will send me into a 5 minute rant. I enjoy ranting, they enjoy the ludicrousness. Online it’s not much different. Go into some random anime board and declare that the wrong character is your waifu and watch the thread burn.

          7 votes
    2. [2]
      arp242
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      I like poking people a bit, it's good fun at times. Trolling is different though; it's the difference between a prank where everyone can laugh, and a "prank" where you're just being an asshole to...

      I like poking people a bit, it's good fun at times.

      Trolling is different though; it's the difference between a prank where everyone can laugh, and a "prank" where you're just being an asshole to someone. And as with all things, there is a time and place for everything.

      10 votes
      1. Omnicrola
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        This is the key difference. A prank, or poking fun, or giving someone a "hard time" only works if there is already a foundation of trust. You can't make fun of someone's deficiencies and expect...

        This is the key difference. A prank, or poking fun, or giving someone a "hard time" only works if there is already a foundation of trust. You can't make fun of someone's deficiencies and expect them to laugh if you don't know them. And even then, it's different if you're 1:1 with someone and make fun of them versus say making fun of them in front of other people.

        Trolling is entering into a situation with the explicit purpose of evoking a negative reaction from someone, so that you can be amused. It is literally attacking someone, using the guise of humor to try and make it socially acceptable.

        On one level, I "get" it, I've said mean things and enjoyed it. I also felt bad later, and I don't get the appeal of trolling people.

        7 votes
    3. ryanatkn
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      I think sadism/schadenfreude is a common ingredient here and it can be hard to empathize with. This led me to look up Sadistic personality disorder. TIL: So, trolls are sadistic and the approving...

      I think sadism/schadenfreude is a common ingredient here and it can be hard to empathize with. This led me to look up Sadistic personality disorder.

      TIL:

      Sadism gives pleasure through the infliction of pain, whereas schadenfreude is pleasure on observing misfortune and in particular, the fact that the other somehow deserved the misfortune. (Wikipedia)

      So, trolls are sadistic and the approving audience experiences schadenfreude.

      Edit: found this - wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_triad#Internet_trolls

      Recent studies have found that people who are identified as trolls tend to have dark personality traits and show signs of sadism, antisocial behavior, psychopathy, and Machiavellianism.

      10 votes
    4. [2]
      JakeG
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      Sometimes trolls aren't trolls, though. Text-based conversation is difficult on a good day... there will always be missed nuance. It is up to the reader to interpret everything - a horrible...

      Sometimes trolls aren't trolls, though. Text-based conversation is difficult on a good day... there will always be missed nuance. It is up to the reader to interpret everything - a horrible approach when you think about it!

      5 votes
      1. 0lpbm
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        That's true, but I am thinking specifically of the people that do it intentionally.

        That's true, but I am thinking specifically of the people that do it intentionally.

        3 votes
  2. [21]
    kfwyre
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    I'll kick this off: harsh vocals (e.g. screaming, growling) in music (usually metal). I find that vocals of that type are so off-putting and abrasive to me that they usually kill my enjoyment of...

    I'll kick this off: harsh vocals (e.g. screaming, growling) in music (usually metal). I find that vocals of that type are so off-putting and abrasive to me that they usually kill my enjoyment of the song, even if I like the instrumentation.

    I know we have several users here whose musical preferences very much favor this style, so I'm hoping someone can shed some light on this for me.

    20 votes
    1. Happy_Shredder
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      It reduces the role of the voice from the centre of the music to another instrument. The goal is to focus on texture, atmosphere, colour, rather than rhythm or melody. Why do I like it? Well, that...

      It reduces the role of the voice from the centre of the music to another instrument. The goal is to focus on texture, atmosphere, colour, rather than rhythm or melody.

      Why do I like it? Well, that kinda hits deep philosophy of matters of taste. It sounds good to me.

      21 votes
    2. [5]
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      1. [2]
        elcuello
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        Cool and I'm glad the music helped you in that way. The only thing I would like to add is that this just beats the old horse that metal in general and growling/screaming specifically is always...

        Cool and I'm glad the music helped you in that way.

        The only thing I would like to add is that this just beats the old horse that metal in general and growling/screaming specifically is always about getting out your frustrations, being angry, feeling hopeless etc. I'm so tired of this oversimplification. Just like @Happy_Shredder said above - the voice in metal is an instrument more than anything else and just like a guitar it can express a wide range of emotions and sounds.

        7 votes
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          1. elcuello
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            I explicitly said I was glad it helped you? I will agree that the words " I'm so tired" is a little harsh so please strike that but that doesn't make the rest of the statement insignificant. I'm...

            I explicitly said I was glad it helped you?

            Cool and I'm glad the music helped you in that way.

            I will agree that the words " I'm so tired" is a little harsh so please strike that but that doesn't make the rest of the statement insignificant. I'm not "accusing" you of anything. I was trying to shed some light on a broader misinterpretation of a genre that sparked from your wording, that's it.
            You chose to relate with a personal story that I think most of us appreciate and I chose to keep my comment on track with the original comment and talk about a genre of music, how it's perceived and how that perception could be keeping people and OP away from it.

            4 votes
      2. [2]
        kfwyre
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        I promise I wasn't trying to vaguely call you out! I actually posted mine before I read your comment there. And this genuinely does help me understand the appeal. It's actually very similar to...

        I promise I wasn't trying to vaguely call you out! I actually posted mine before I read your comment there.

        And this genuinely does help me understand the appeal. It's actually very similar to something I just posted about falling asleep.

        Also, thanks to you and @Gaywallet and your mentions of him here, I got into Spencer Brown's Illusion of Perfection a while ago and it is genuinely excellent.

        3 votes
        1. Gaywallet
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          He's got a new track coming out next Friday that's pure dance fire and it's got the most hilarious name. Check out Spiderman on Ambien on the 20th. 😂 Also by the way if you haven't peeped...

          He's got a new track coming out next Friday that's pure dance fire and it's got the most hilarious name. Check out Spiderman on Ambien on the 20th. 😂

          Also by the way if you haven't peeped Tinlicker's remix of children yet, you deserve to.

          2 votes
    3. wedgel
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      Probably what you're finding abrasive and off putting I enjoy. Beautiful vocals about how fucked taking children from their parents in detection centers is doesn't add to the music it goes with,...

      Probably what you're finding abrasive and off putting I enjoy. Beautiful vocals about how fucked taking children from their parents in detection centers is doesn't add to the music it goes with, it fights it. But at the same time it depends on the mix. If the vocals are mixed too loud, which happens a lot in my opinion, instead of going with the tune they are using the tune as a backdrop to scream at me. Which is awful.

      7 votes
    4. Tygrak
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      Harsh vocals can increase the intensity and emotionality in... well intense and emotional songs. I still don't really like when a song is just screaming the whole way through, but I would guess...

      Harsh vocals can increase the intensity and emotionality in... well intense and emotional songs. I still don't really like when a song is just screaming the whole way through, but I would guess some people would count some songs I listen to as just screaming. The most enjoyable for me if there is a mix of vocals in albums, having just "normal" singing is a waste of all the other things people can do with vocals. Spoken word, screaming, whispering, there are so many ways to make vocals more unique.

      But in the end, I think it's mostly just an acquired taste. I could come up with some more reasons why I like it, but honestly, I think it's just cause I liked music that had some harsh vocals and slowly grew to like other songs that too had harsh vocals.

      4 votes
    5. aphoenix
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      I have a broad appreciation for many different genres of music, which includes some things that may include screaming. For example, Jerk-Off by Tool has one of the most cathartic endings of any...

      I have a broad appreciation for many different genres of music, which includes some things that may include screaming. For example, Jerk-Off by Tool has one of the most cathartic endings of any piece of music, and while I'm a riff and rhythm driven guy, this song is all about the vocals. I can't make this noise that Maynard makes, but it's a deep and primal rage, and just hearing it helps give something that I'm feeling a non-destructive way to be experienced.

      That's more where I'm at in terms of enjoying harsh vocals, but even something more guttural and theatric doesn't kill a song for me. It's not something that I put on all the time, but I do occasionally listen. In this case, especially since I don't understand what's being said, it's just another instrument. Also, please note that I just googled "crazy Norwegian black metal" to find this, it wasn't in my library, and I can't guarantee that the message in this is remotely appropriate.

      It's all catharsis of some kind, and I think that at some level that's what almost all music is about; helping us feel the things we need to feel.

      3 votes
    6. [5]
      mrbig
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      There is good and bad “growling”. Some singers hide bad technique simply by shouting too loud. It’s also a matter of taste. If that interests you at all, take a look at the album The Dream Calls...

      There is good and bad “growling”. Some singers hide bad technique simply by shouting too loud. It’s also a matter of taste.

      If that interests you at all, take a look at the album The Dream Calls for Blood, by Death Angel, for something I consider quite moderate and tasteful. Also Chaos A.D., by Sepultura, one of my favorite albums of all time.

      This video was shot in my own city :).

      It helps to think about some metal music as horror movies in song form.

      3 votes
      1. [3]
        kfwyre
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        This is a good analogy, and I think it goes a long way towards explaining why I don't like most metal. I generally turn to music as a source of pleasantness, so anything that's intentionally...

        It helps to think about some metal music as horror movies in song form.

        This is a good analogy, and I think it goes a long way towards explaining why I don't like most metal. I generally turn to music as a source of pleasantness, so anything that's intentionally trying to elicit a different response, particularly a negative one, doesn't really vibe with what I'm wanting music to do for me.

        4 votes
        1. mrbig
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          Of course. It’s important to notice that most fans of horror do feel pleasure from horror content, though. Just like fans of metal music feel pleasure when listening to it.

          Of course. It’s important to notice that most fans of horror do feel pleasure from horror content, though. Just like fans of metal music feel pleasure when listening to it.

          3 votes
      2. elcuello
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        No Yes

        There is good and bad “growling”.

        No

        It’s also a matter of taste.

        Yes

    7. nothis
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      Heh, I feel the same way. Don't want to ruin the fun for people who enjoy that stuff (seems like it's mostly really nice people) but it perfectly fits my personal "don't understand the appeal"...

      Heh, I feel the same way. Don't want to ruin the fun for people who enjoy that stuff (seems like it's mostly really nice people) but it perfectly fits my personal "don't understand the appeal" category as well.

      I actually feel similar about really annoying rap voices. One of the most extreme examples of this is the intro song from Fresh of the Boat.

      2 votes
    8. krg
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      Funny you should say... Though I don't listen to heavy music as much as I used to, sing-song-y vocals over metal music for the most part always sounded corny as hell, to me. I guess harsh vocals...

      Funny you should say... Though I don't listen to heavy music as much as I used to, sing-song-y vocals over metal music for the most part always sounded corny as hell, to me. I guess harsh vocals just fit the vibe and energy better, in my opinion. I just can't imagine conventionally "pretty" vocals over a song like this, for example.

      Serj Tankian (of System of a Down) towed the line between singing/yelling/growling/screaming pretty well, I'd say (see their songs Know and Soil (and many others))... though I guess their sound isn't conventional heavy metal.

      2 votes
    9. [2]
      crdpa
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      The first times i tried, i hated it. I would say it's an acquired taste, but sometimes you just don't like the taste. I remember when i started listening to Carcass and more heavy/extreme bands....

      The first times i tried, i hated it. I would say it's an acquired taste, but sometimes you just don't like the taste.

      I remember when i started listening to Carcass and more heavy/extreme bands. My friends kept saying that they disliked those "vomits". They just stuck to traditional metal and power metal.

      Anyway, it's polarizing even inside metal.

      I'm curious about what do you think about this kind of melodic growl from Cattle Decapitation? it starts at 0:50 if you don't want to endure the song. It's really unique.

      2 votes
      1. kfwyre
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        I'm on board with the melodic part and could see myself liking it in isolation, but the guttural "vomiting" on the rest of it absolutely ruins the track for me.

        I'm on board with the melodic part and could see myself liking it in isolation, but the guttural "vomiting" on the rest of it absolutely ruins the track for me.

        2 votes
    10. tindall
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      One of the first albums with this kind of vocals that I really loved was Alesana's The Emptiness. It's a totally silly, un-self-conscious, self-indulgent concept album about a man who murders his...

      One of the first albums with this kind of vocals that I really loved was Alesana's The Emptiness. It's a totally silly, un-self-conscious, self-indulgent concept album about a man who murders his girlfriend and then can't cope with what he's done, and the vocal contrast between the hard, difficult to understand screamo staple and gentler, more melodic tones is used to great effect.

      I still have a hard time understanding stuff like this, though.

      2 votes
    11. Adys
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      Screamy metal songs are really unenjoyable for me too. And when it's throughout the whole song that's where I'm moving from "to each their own" to "okay how the fuck do people enjoy this"...

      Screamy metal songs are really unenjoyable for me too. And when it's throughout the whole song that's where I'm moving from "to each their own" to "okay how the fuck do people enjoy this" territory.

      And I really like the more musical metal artists such as System of a Down or (sometimes) Rammstein.

      1 vote
    12. meatrocket
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      For me, harsher vocals can serve different purposes depending on their style in a particular track - it might be for emotional effect (Chlorine & Wine - Baroness), atmospheric effect (Canary...

      For me, harsher vocals can serve different purposes depending on their style in a particular track - it might be for emotional effect (Chlorine & Wine - Baroness), atmospheric effect (Canary Yellow - Deafheaven), or to simply match the intensity of the instrumentation and/or production.

      1 vote
  3. [14]
    arp242
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    Watching other play computer games (or indeed, do anything else, such as programming) on Twitch or the like.

    Watching other play computer games (or indeed, do anything else, such as programming) on Twitch or the like.

    17 votes
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      Adys
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      So there's quite a few possible reasons someone might watch a gaming livestream. Live-coding is a separate topic (which I personally don't enjoy) so I'll leave it aside for now. For me personally,...

      So there's quite a few possible reasons someone might watch a gaming livestream. Live-coding is a separate topic (which I personally don't enjoy) so I'll leave it aside for now.

      For me personally, it's going to be:

      1. "Hanging out" with the person playing. I can't watch a Twitch stream if I don't like the guy/girl on stream. I watch for a good time, and positive people (such as Sean Plott aka Day9) will make my day more positive. I like hearing them, listening to them talk about various shit, etc
      2. Watching games I like, but don't have the skills to play, or the time investment to put into them. This is a bit like watching sports: You enjoy the skill aspect of a game, but it might take hundreds or even thousands of hours to get to that level. Watching a stream is low commitment.
      3. Discovering new games. Watching Day9 for example is how I discovered The Witness, The Talos Principle, Rocket League, Subnautica, Stardew Valley, Ori and the Blind Forest and Two Point Hospital. All of which I ended up buying and playing to the end (or in Rocket League's case, give up and cry when I realized it's fucking hard to play well). I'd recommend all of them.
      18 votes
      1. ali
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        I often watch games because I find games entertaining but I might be busy or only have a few minutes - no point in starting a game if I have to do other stuff in 5 min and i like background Noise...

        I often watch games because I find games entertaining but I might be busy or only have a few minutes - no point in starting a game if I have to do other stuff in 5 min and i like background Noise when I work or fall asleep

        3 votes
    2. [2]
      Kuromantis
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      In many cases, "just go play the goddamn game" isn't really a viable option. Not everyone that wants to have a good computer or phone or console to do those things can just go and buy what they...

      In many cases, "just go play the goddamn game" isn't really a viable option. Not everyone that wants to have a good computer or phone or console to do those things can just go and buy what they need (or ask their parents to do that for them.) As for watching livestreams specifically, Adys' reply is pretty good IMO.

      I'll just add one thing, and it's that watching someone program specifically definitely makes me understand the process more, and the occasional bug can (keyword: CAN) be pretty funny to see and watching something you like get made and see the slow but steady progress of the developers coding the features for the game definitely makes me a lot more more confident that shit's getting done and you will see the project come to light eventually, because you are watching that be done right now.

      9 votes
      1. joplin
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        This goes along with pair programming. I have learned a lot by pairing with other developers. While I obviously can't pair with every developer in the world, being able to watch a good programmer...

        watching someone program specifically definitely makes me understand the process more

        This goes along with pair programming. I have learned a lot by pairing with other developers. While I obviously can't pair with every developer in the world, being able to watch a good programmer work and explain their thought process is the next best thing.

        4 votes
    3. 0lpbm
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      In my case, I don't have the patience to actually play the games. I have other things I want to do with the time. But games as an art form is something that interest me and seeing people play and...

      In my case, I don't have the patience to actually play the games. I have other things I want to do with the time. But games as an art form is something that interest me and seeing people play and react to them is a way to get exposed to that.

      Watching programming (which is mostly also related to game development for me) is another aspect of the same underlying thing. I want to see how game designers and game programmers solve the issues that come up in the development of games. Realizing the the path to a polished published game is paved with years and years of solving small paper cuts is something that's both humbling and inspirational.

      5 votes
    4. Gaywallet
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      I still don't really understand this (I do not watch streamers game and have no interest in this), but I have come to an appreciation I didn't recognize over the course of this pandemic because...

      I still don't really understand this (I do not watch streamers game and have no interest in this), but I have come to an appreciation I didn't recognize over the course of this pandemic because for a period of time the only way for me to get access to live music and listen to my favorite DJs has been through twitch and other streaming platforms.

      What I've come to appreciate from this is an intimate familiarity with these artists that I do not usually have access to. Over the course of these streams, it's not uncommon for the performer to be interacting with the audience in a way that simply does not happen in clubs - talking about tracks, sharing life stories, reacting to what's going on in the chat. I've learned a ton about the history of music, tracks I enjoy, and other music related information through these streams and I really appreciate that.

      I still have trouble relating to caring about this for a professional gamer, or someone who's streaming programming or anything else, but I'm guessing a large portion of the appeal is the aspect of humanity and a look into the lives of the people we admire, look up to, or simply wish to socialize with.

      4 votes
    5. [2]
      frostycakes
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      Thank you! I've had people look at me like I'm batshit insane for not getting the appeal of streaming games/programming and the like. Obviously not the case for these streamers, but I'm one of...

      Thank you! I've had people look at me like I'm batshit insane for not getting the appeal of streaming games/programming and the like. Obviously not the case for these streamers, but I'm one of those people where having eyes on me just makes me flustered and turns my performance poor because a chunk of brainpower is being devoted to trying to work to appeal to said audience instead of what I'm actually doing. It feels almost physically wrong to me to be one of those sets of eyes for anyone else.

      Plus I think they give a false sense of community and social interaction. As if these streamers will ever know who you are or even interact with you personally outside of a shout-out in the stream or chat. It's fake bonding. I'd much rather watch a personal friend play a game while we chat and connect, rather than watch some stranger do so with other strangers.

      3 votes
      1. MimicSquid
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        I'd argue that there is a real sense of community and social interaction that isn't shared by the streamer. The person on the chat side really is getting an emotional need met even if the streamer...

        I'd argue that there is a real sense of community and social interaction that isn't shared by the streamer. The person on the chat side really is getting an emotional need met even if the streamer they feel close to doesn't reciprocate.

        3 votes
    6. [2]
      hamstergeddon
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      I'm much the same way, although I've begun to find the appeal in watching certain people play certain games with certain challenges in place. Like for example, I've been really getting into Many a...

      I'm much the same way, although I've begun to find the appeal in watching certain people play certain games with certain challenges in place. Like for example, I've been really getting into Many a True Nerd's Fallout 4: You Only Live Once series. He's basically taking the most challenging difficulty Fallout 4 has to offer and making in several multitudes harder by imposing restrictions on himself. And that's just fascinating to me because I'm awful at FO4 at higher difficulties and because he can't heal himself at all, every single interaction with an enemy becomes this high-stakes events I can't stop watching. Add to it that FO4 is notoriously buggy and the physics are wonky at times and every second is just completely enthralling. Everything, the game itself included, wants to kill his character!

      All that's to say that I think the appeal is that you've got a game you really enjoy, someone playing it in a way you can't (be it because you suck, or they're just extraordinarily good), and that person has an appealing personality. Also probably comes with a good sense of community as well. One of my favorite things to do after watching a new FO4: You Only Live Once vidoe is to head to Many a True Nerd's subreddit and chat about everything I just watched.

      2 votes
      1. bilbodwyer
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        I really dig Many a True Nerd. I particularly enjoyed his Rome: Total War series, and have enjoyed watching some of his Solaris playthroughs as well. I think because he has a (Masters?) degree in...

        I really dig Many a True Nerd. I particularly enjoyed his Rome: Total War series, and have enjoyed watching some of his Solaris playthroughs as well. I think because he has a (Masters?) degree in Classics, it makes the Rome stuff so engrossing. Listening to him discuss tactics based on what these armies would actually have done, how certain things are inaccurate, how others are highly accurate, and also just gush about how much he loves the game... Rome: Total War was my jam as a young lad, and watching someone who really knows their shit in terms of the history and the game itself play through a campaign on the hardest difficulty was extremely enjoyable.

        1 vote
    7. maniel
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      Makes sense with competitive games or when looking for a walkthrough, but not much otherwise though

      Makes sense with competitive games or when looking for a walkthrough, but not much otherwise though

      1 vote
    8. Pistos
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      I don't often watch live streams, but I do watch video-game-related videos on YouTube from time to time in order to improve my performance in a given game. You can definitely learn a lot from...

      I don't often watch live streams, but I do watch video-game-related videos on YouTube from time to time in order to improve my performance in a given game. You can definitely learn a lot from videos and subreddits and gaming wikis, and make tangible improvements in your level of play. Some videos are edited tutorials, but you can still learn things just by watching arbitrary game play by highly-skilled players for a game that you're trying to get better at.

      I guess maybe it seems more odd to people that don't take video games that seriously, but there are lots of people around the world who are even just a little competitive (they might want to improve their rating or position on the global (or even regional) leaderboard, or want to improve their win rate). Going beyond that, e-sports is a booming industry, with thousands of professional players, and millions of avid fans and viewers.

      1 vote
    9. crdpa
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      Same, but i'm going to confess that i did this with the Final Fantasy VII remake. Since i'll not buy it and probably never play it, might as well enjoy seeing it for free. I watched for one or two...

      Same, but i'm going to confess that i did this with the Final Fantasy VII remake.

      Since i'll not buy it and probably never play it, might as well enjoy seeing it for free. I watched for one or two hours a gameplay (not live, obviously). It was enough.

      1 vote
  4. [7]
    Liru
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    Traveling to other countries for the sake of it, and tourism in general, to a lesser extent. I've never really understood why going somewhere just to do things you'd do anyways is so romanticized,...

    Traveling to other countries for the sake of it, and tourism in general, to a lesser extent. I've never really understood why going somewhere just to do things you'd do anyways is so romanticized, or why going somewhere just to look around is so... popular.

    It's not even like it's a case of "oh, you'll understand if you experience it"; I've been around Europe and North America a lot when I was younger, and... well, I still don't understand its appeal. I really feel like I'm missing something.

    14 votes
    1. Greg
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      I absolutely love traveling. I want to see different landscapes, different forests and plants, different architecture, different art. I want to be warm when it's cold at home. I want sunshine in...

      I absolutely love traveling. I want to see different landscapes, different forests and plants, different architecture, different art. I want to be warm when it's cold at home. I want sunshine in the middle of winter. I want to smell the sea rather than the traffic. I want to meet new people and hear their stories. I want to physically move myself away from the worries of work and let myself really relax. I want things to go hilarious wrong, because those times make for the best stories. I want to get snowed in for three days and see a whole new side of the people I'm with. I want, perhaps most of all, to sit under a tree by a dusty road and eat the best bowl of soup I've had in my entire fucking life.

      13 votes
    2. arp242
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      It depends what you do; I went to Iceland and hiked around on my own for 4 days and didn't see anyone except this French guy that barely spoke English I found in a blizzard when we were both lost...

      It depends what you do; I went to Iceland and hiked around on my own for 4 days and didn't see anyone except this French guy that barely spoke English I found in a blizzard when we were both lost and we became friends in about 1 millisecond. Can't really do that in the Netherlands.

      I went to some other places over the years, like Venice. I don't think it's that special, but it's just a nice way to spend a few days with your girlfriend outside of the daily slur.

      Also, visiting Pompeii an the Herculaneum was pretty ... magical? I don't know how else to describe it, but you can read about all these things to no end, see all the pictures, films, and whatnot. But actually being there and standing in the same places and touching the same stones as people touched 2,000 years ago. I don't know how to describe it, but it gives a very tangible and real sense of connection to history and the people who lived in that time.

      Other things can be more disappointing. I remember when I was in London for the first time and was rather excited to go on the tube. I had read quite a few things about the engineering and it's some pretty neat stuff. After actually being on the tube for about a minute I realized it's crowded, loud, smelly, and too low to stand upright. I very quickly wanted to be somewhere else. Anywhere else.

      I don't think it's all that "oh-oh, amazing!" as some make it out to be though, and I certainly don't get the appeal of the "box ticker tourist" or people who view travelling as a goal in and of itself, but I just like to do different things and to do that, you often need to travel to different places.

      I've lived in a few different countries in the last few years, and IMO that's a pretty valuable experience regardless (and also very different from "travelling").

      11 votes
    3. aphoenix
      Link Parent
      I'd recommend thinking of it in the same way that you think of media that you consume. I think it's in the same sort of prat of the brain that encourages people to seek out new movies, new...

      I'd recommend thinking of it in the same way that you think of media that you consume. I think it's in the same sort of prat of the brain that encourages people to seek out new movies, new television, new books, and not just read or watch the ones that have already been read, always. There's so much world out there, and so many people, too. I enjoy going to other places and seeing what's there.

      Also similar to books, it's a way to share experiences broadly with other people, who may not still be alive. I don't know if you've watched "The Good Place" but there's a moment where Chidi is at a cafe in Paris, and he talks about how he could have been sitting in the same place as his idols, doing the same thing that his idols have done. It's a way to bring yourself closer to the experiences of other people.

      Also, the world has so many cool geographical things to see. I've loved hiking in the Rockies in Canada, or hiking in the Trossachs in Scotland - similar activities, but so very different. Swimming in Tofino and swimming in the Caribbean; cycling in Vancouver and cycling in the Dominican. It's interesting to see how these things stack up to each other, and I guess that's the real reason; it's interesting. For some people, life is a long search for novelty.

      8 votes
    4. joplin
      Link Parent
      So I grew up in Michigan, but had relatives in Pittsburgh. We would travel to Pittsburgh to visit them about once or twice a year. I absolutely cannot imagine anyone wanting to go to Pittsburgh...

      So I grew up in Michigan, but had relatives in Pittsburgh. We would travel to Pittsburgh to visit them about once or twice a year. I absolutely cannot imagine anyone wanting to go to Pittsburgh for a vacation or as a tourist. It's city a lot like any other. I mean it has its share of locally unique things, but they didn't appear to me to be anything so interesting that I'd plan a trip there when I could go somewhere else.

      But going to see a volcano in Hawaii is very different from anything I was able to do in Michigan or Pittsburgh. It was interesting because it's so large, and you can watch part of the earth going through a process you can't see in too many other places and you can do it up close. I'm also a photographer, and there are lots of interesting things to photograph in Hawaii. Likewise, you can do all the ocean-related activities (swimming, fishing, sailing, etc.) Granted, you can do those things on lakes and even the Great Lakes, but it really is a different scale and there's a different flora and fauna and traditions. It's fun to see for some people.

      I also lived in Chicago for a while. I knew people who had never left Chicago. Chicago's a great town, but I was like, really? There's nothing else anywhere that you want to see? A Broadway show on actual Broadway? The Eiffel Tower? The Grand Canyon? The Chicago Bears playing in a stadium other than Soldier Field? Nothing? To me, it's interesting to see things I haven't seen before and meet people I haven't met before, and learn about customs I didn't know about. For others it might be about seeing how they party in one city or country, or how they relax, or how they worship, or dance, or sing, or work. To me, I can't imagine never traveling anywhere else. It just seems so insular. But at the same time, I'm not sure what I'd get out of visiting, say, Omaha, Nebraska. I'm sure it's lovely, but is there anything there that I can't experience elsewhere?

      8 votes
    5. balooga
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      For me a big part of the appeal of travel is to experience a diversity of cultures and learn to empathize with people who aren't like me. If you spend your whole life in one place, immersed...

      For me a big part of the appeal of travel is to experience a diversity of cultures and learn to empathize with people who aren't like me. If you spend your whole life in one place, immersed exclusively in the culture of that place, you're going to have a dangerously narrow view of humanity and your place in it. That environment fosters an ignorance and bigotry that are very difficult to overcome through other means.

      7 votes
    6. mrbig
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      There are different kinds of travelers, and people like different things. I care very little about museums and traditional tourist spots. When I travel, I mostly care about a few things: language,...

      There are different kinds of travelers, and people like different things.

      I care very little about museums and traditional tourist spots. When I travel, I mostly care about a few things:

      • language, accent, slangs
      • local customs
      • how cities/countries work
        • urbanism
        • transportation (bus, train, subway)
      • LOCAL FOOD

      Traveling just for the sake of traveling really is stupid — everyone is looking for something.

      3 votes
  5. [11]
    FishFingus
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    Golf, or endurance hockey. For something so inherently dull, it doesn't seem to do golfers any favours in the temper department. Takes up a shameful amount of space as well. Sports games. They...

    Golf, or endurance hockey. For something so inherently dull, it doesn't seem to do golfers any favours in the temper department. Takes up a shameful amount of space as well.

    Sports games. They just seem utterly superfluous, and yet people still play them. A bunch of blokes kicking a ball around is boring enough already, but now it's on a screen so you're even further removed from it. I guess there are gambling mechanics now for a little shot of serotonin? Racing games are an exception, though, if there's enough property destruction and vehicular manslaughter in them.

    12 votes
    1. frostycakes
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      'Proper' golf is still bougie bullshit in my book, but the appeal of it started making sense once I started playing disc golf of all things. All of the chill of real golf, with far less...

      'Proper' golf is still bougie bullshit in my book, but the appeal of it started making sense once I started playing disc golf of all things. All of the chill of real golf, with far less pretension. It is nice to just have a semi-leisurely activity to do outdoors that's still competitive, but allows one to be social with the group they came with.

      Still would never get into the trappings of golf culture, but hey, if it's culturally coded for ones group to play it, and for it to be a leisure activity that can be turned into a 'working' event too? Who doesn't want excuses to do something fun that can still be treated as working too?

      6 votes
    2. MonkeyPants
      Link Parent
      Golf actually teaches you to relax. Angry is tense. Tense is bad, both for you and for golf. Sure, it can occasionally frustrate the hell out of you, but how else will you learn to relax? :) Golf...

      Golf actually teaches you to relax. Angry is tense. Tense is bad, both for you and for golf. Sure, it can occasionally frustrate the hell out of you, but how else will you learn to relax? :)

      Golf is socially distant. It is one of the few activities that is open in California.

      Golf is social. With so many people playing now, what else do you have to do while waiting?

      Golf is a nice long walk through a beautifully manicured park with your mates punctuated by the occasional hitting of a tiny ball hundreds of feet/yards.

      As an aside, my wife only golfs with a seven iron and a putter, and she does remarkably well. If you are using anything else while learning, that is a path to frustration.

      4 votes
    3. Parliament
      (edited )
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      Playing a sport: It feels good to accomplish something physical with your own body. Not just for the exercise of it, but for the pure satisfaction of doing something challenging. I cannot describe...

      Playing a sport: It feels good to accomplish something physical with your own body. Not just for the exercise of it, but for the pure satisfaction of doing something challenging. I cannot describe the feeling of striking a volley perfectly off my laces for a goal in soccer or the feeling of draining a hole-in-one from 135 yards at my local municipal golf course. It's just joy and satisfaction to accomplish something for yourself, even better if people are around to share the moment with you. Always nice to see practice pay off in the form of a personal accomplishment.

      Watching a sport: I like seeing professionals accomplish cool things at the highest level, plus there's the tribalism of having certain teams in my local area or family. And fascinating stuff happens every single week. Like this or this. Following a sport is a great way of staying connected with people through a common interest while enjoying the best a sport has to offer.

      Golf: I love to get outside, walk a course for exercise, and be alone with my thoughts or with friends while playing a challenging and fun game. Personally, I'm a chill golfer because I'm out there to relax after all. I agree that it is wasteful and prone to bad tempers though, but just as bad, it is also classist in many ways.

      I don't think we need anymore golf courses; however, I disagree with the group of people in my small city saying we should shut down the two city-owned municipal golf courses and repurpose them as public parks. Of course a net greater number of people would be able to theoretically benefit from a public park, but you're just taking away something that is super popular with working class people since they're the two cheapest courses in town and make the sport more accessible. They basically have a working class history in my city and were a response to the wealthy private course many years ago.

      4 votes
    4. mrbig
      Link Parent
      In my experience sports games tend to be super fun to play and super boring to watch unless you watch them a lot. When you know a lot about a sport (and a sports team) you start seeing all kinds...

      In my experience sports games tend to be super fun to play and super boring to watch unless you watch them a lot.

      When you know a lot about a sport (and a sports team) you start seeing all kinds of patterns that are fun to identify, predict, and share with others.

      4 votes
    5. Pistos
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      For me, I love playing the "RPG" parts of sports games. You create a character and go through a career in the sport, from rookie to retirement. You build your character's stats along the way, and...

      For me, I love playing the "RPG" parts of sports games. You create a character and go through a career in the sport, from rookie to retirement. You build your character's stats along the way, and make career decisions like deciding among offers when your character becomes a free agent. I will never, and would never have become a professional athlete, so being able to participate in a simulation of top-level play of an interesting and fun sport is the next best thing.

      I can also see the appeal in the non-RPG modes of sports games, even though I don't really play them. Every game or match of every sport is a competition between sides or opponents. Humans love to compete, and have fun doing so. So, in that sense, there's that appeal (to people who like to compete).

      3 votes
    6. [3]
      petrichor
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      What's this? A cursory / courtesy search reveals nothing. (Or is it a poke at golf?)

      endurance hockey

      What's this? A cursory / courtesy search reveals nothing. (Or is it a poke at golf?)

      3 votes
      1. KapteinB
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        I was confused at first, but I'm pretty sure it's a poke at golf.

        I was confused at first, but I'm pretty sure it's a poke at golf.

        3 votes
      2. FishFingus
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        It's just something I took from this video because it tickled my brain.

        It's just something I took from this video because it tickled my brain.

    7. [2]
      blender_cuttingham
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      As with anything in life, it also depends on your temper, or why you do the things you do. I love golf. For me it's about being outside with friends. It's relax. I don't care if I play + 40... I...

      As with anything in life, it also depends on your temper, or why you do the things you do. I love golf. For me it's about being outside with friends. It's relax. I don't care if I play + 40... I try each time to do better than last time, but it's not the end of the world if I'm not playing well. It's a 4 hours well spent, in nature at that.

      I understand it may not interests you. As for sports games, there is a lot to love about that too in my opinion. Like working together with somebody else toward a common goal while spending your energy. Disconnect from what is happening in your life etc.

      I don't think it is mandatory in life to do something "usefull" or for "the greater good" 100 % of the time. Sometimes you have to disconnect and do meaningless stuff... whatever that is :)

      2 votes
      1. FishFingus
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        Mini golf...now that I understand. It's a true game of skill and endurance, made to be played in a group with alcohol. Sometimes it's not about how many strokes the hole takes, but how many the...

        Mini golf...now that I understand. It's a true game of skill and endurance, made to be played in a group with alcohol. Sometimes it's not about how many strokes the hole takes, but how many the shins and forearms can.

        3 votes
  6. DietaryAquaMilk
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    The sort of tribal mentality that comes with identifying with a sports team or brand. The kind of mentality that has people saying "we" beat them even though they don't even know you exist.

    The sort of tribal mentality that comes with identifying with a sports team or brand. The kind of mentality that has people saying "we" beat them even though they don't even know you exist.

    11 votes
  7. [10]
    joplin
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    Hating voicemail. I get why people hate phone calls, especially here in the US where we have a rampant fraudulent call problem that the government seems to have no interest in actually fixing it,...

    Hating voicemail. I get why people hate phone calls, especially here in the US where we have a rampant fraudulent call problem that the government seems to have no interest in actually fixing it, despite it being a widely non-partisan issue. But recent posts on HackerNews about election polling brought out the following conversations which I have seen repeated there over the years:

    Person 1: Who answers phone calls from unknown numbers? If it's important, they'll call back.
    Person 2: Who answers phone calls anymore? I just let them go straight to voicemail.
    Person 1: I hate voicemail.

    I don't get it. You don't want to talk to the person, but it might be something important. Yet you don't want them to leave you a message telling you it's important, you just want them to keep trying at some random interval until you happen to sync up? Why?

    I do get that text would be preferred. But I happen to be in a predicament right now where my phone died on me unexpectedly, and it's going to take a day or two for the replacement to arrive. I can't send or receive SMS messages. (I can get other chat notifications on my computer, but I don't use many of the most popular ones because I hate the companies that make them and I don't have my computer with me all the time.)

    10 votes
    1. [2]
      skybrian
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      I have voice mail but I dislike it. Voice mail is strictly worse than written communication. It's understandable that people I don't know will leave a voice message if I don't answer, but I would...

      I have voice mail but I dislike it. Voice mail is strictly worse than written communication. It's understandable that people I don't know will leave a voice message if I don't answer, but I would prefer a text message.

      I used to dislike voicemail because I had trouble hearing it when it mattered. I would play the same message multiple times to try to get some important information out of it. (Since I got hearing aids with bluetooth, it's not so bad now.)

      These days, most voice mail is spam that i just delete, and it takes longer to listen to a voice mail in order to see if I should delete it or not than to scan a text message. On a good day my phone transcribes it so I don't have to listen, but unfortunately, this transcription is rather flaky. Half the time it's unavailable.

      11 votes
      1. joplin
        Link Parent
        Oh, no doubt. It's not my favorite, but it was odd to me to hear that people have a visceral for hate voicemail. It's annoying, but I was surprised by the level of dislike for it.

        I have voice mail but I dislike it. Voice mail is strictly worse than written communication.

        Oh, no doubt. It's not my favorite, but it was odd to me to hear that people have a visceral for hate voicemail. It's annoying, but I was surprised by the level of dislike for it.

        4 votes
    2. [3]
      babypuncher
      Link Parent
      Since I don't have a "home phone" or whatever the boomers call it, there is no plausible scenario where I could receive a phone call but not a text message. So for me, a text message is always...

      Since I don't have a "home phone" or whatever the boomers call it, there is no plausible scenario where I could receive a phone call but not a text message.

      So for me, a text message is always preferred. There is no room for distortion, background noise, or nervous talking to render the message indecipherable. I can absorb the message instantaneously and make a judgement on it's importance, without needing to stop what I am currently doing. I can't think of any reason why a voice message would be better in any circumstance.

      9 votes
      1. [2]
        joplin
        Link Parent
        Well, except for the scenario I laid out where the other person doesn't have the ability to text for some reason. Oh man, I wish that were the case for me. I get rambling texts and indecipherable...

        there is no plausible scenario where I could receive a phone call but not a text message.

        Well, except for the scenario I laid out where the other person doesn't have the ability to text for some reason.

        There is no room for distortion, background noise, or nervous talking to render the message indecipherable.

        Oh man, I wish that were the case for me. I get rambling texts and indecipherable typos and auto-correct mistakes constantly. That said, I do prefer text also. But if someone wants to leave a voicemail, it's no big deal. I usually get a text transcript of it and can read it, anyway.

        3 votes
        1. Tardigrade
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          I get that your scenario can happen but its such a rare exception I don't think it's relevant. I know I've got a life experience around people with cash but the length of time someone will be...

          I get that your scenario can happen but its such a rare exception I don't think it's relevant. I know I've got a life experience around people with cash but the length of time someone will be without a phone I'd just not have contact with them and it's fine.

          2 votes
    3. Pistos
      Link Parent
      I assume I'm an edge case, but here's a different perspective: For several years of my life, I have been more or less on call, and/or have duties and responsibilities that require me to answer the...

      I assume I'm an edge case, but here's a different perspective: For several years of my life, I have been more or less on call, and/or have duties and responsibilities that require me to answer the phone when called by certain contacts. I have come to resent this requirement. I am awaiting the day when answering the phone is no longer a must. Until then, here's how I cope: I never answer the phone if I do not recognize the caller, and sometimes I do not answer if I recognize the caller but it is not a high priority contact. I have voicemail, but my voicemail message is something to the effect of: "I am not likely to check voicemail. Please send me an email", and I deliberately do not provide my email address in the voicemail message, with the intention of filtering out spam. (Anyone who must communicate something important to me already has my email address.) I very rarely listen to voicemail messages, because every contact that knows me already knows not to leave voicemail, and so pretty much all voicemail I get is spam.

      6 votes
    4. [2]
      aphoenix
      Link Parent
      I hate voicemail, but I don't understand Person 1 in this scenario. That doesn't seem like a reasonable way to be. If someone rings me, I answer the phone. If I can't answer for whatever reason,...

      I hate voicemail, but I don't understand Person 1 in this scenario. That doesn't seem like a reasonable way to be. If someone rings me, I answer the phone. If I can't answer for whatever reason, the missed call is noted, and I'll call back. I do this because I don't like voicemail. I don't think it's reasonable to both hate voicemail, and not answer your phone; that seems logically inconsistent to me.

      I don't like voicemail because people often take leaving a message as a fait accompli, and it is frequently not. There's any number of ways that a voicemail might not get through. In the olden days, when I had an answering machine, sometimes the message would get listened to by someone else, and the message wouldn't get transcribed to me, and I would lose out on something important, which is also a roommate problem in addition to being a voicemail problem. Now that cellphones are ubiquitous, voicemail is more reasonable, but I'd rather just answer the phone and also know who is calling.

      When I leave a message, I generally only respond with my name and number and request a callback, because I want to avoid that feeling of "I have communicated this issue". Obviously if something is a huge issue, I may outline an issue and say it's of great importance, but I mostly try to avoid using voicemail as anything other than a note to have someone call me, and by not having voicemail, I get the same effect on my phone - missed calls.

      3 votes
      1. joplin
        Link Parent
        Yeah, I totally get this. This seems reasonable to me.

        Yeah, I totally get this. This seems reasonable to me.

        2 votes
    5. Parliament
      Link Parent
      I actually don't hate voicemail anymore now that we have voicemail transcription. The best part is how it picks up the call back phone number and let's you click it to dial.

      I actually don't hate voicemail anymore now that we have voicemail transcription. The best part is how it picks up the call back phone number and let's you click it to dial.

      2 votes
  8. [8]
    Kuromantis
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    Vocaloid. While the voices people have made aren't really bad, I'm not exactly sure what does vocaloid do particularly well to warrant being a song genre, with maybe the exception of stuff like...

    Vocaloid. While the voices people have made aren't really bad, I'm not exactly sure what does vocaloid do particularly well to warrant being a song genre, with maybe the exception of stuff like borderline personality disorder since it deals with unstable identity in which case having software sing instead of a real person does help.

    My current best guesses are convenience, since some people are better at making lyrics than singing them, having that AI/software be famous like Hatsune Miku so people can look up to it or that convenience having a FOSS-like appeal of just downloading some software and making it sing whatever you please.

    There's also the popularity of Gacha(verse) and (at least in Brazil) Peaky Blinders, which I don't get.

    8 votes
    1. [4]
      Akir
      Link Parent
      Vocaloid isn't a genre, it's a meta-genre. To be honest, if you don't understand Japanese, you're missing out on a lot of the meaning of the songs. A lot of the more popular songs have a very...

      Vocaloid isn't a genre, it's a meta-genre.

      To be honest, if you don't understand Japanese, you're missing out on a lot of the meaning of the songs. A lot of the more popular songs have a very emotional core to them, and a lot of them are linked to the "personality" of the vocaloid in question. For instance, the song "Odds and Ends" is about how the composer used Miku to overcome his negative self-image and find his voice.

      Likewise, because these characters are just basically ideas, they can represent just about anything. Songs like Black Rock Shooter show her as a bastion of confidence, while News 39 has her representing pure positivity. The ones you tend to hear about the most are all promoted specifically as being very wholesome in general.

      10 votes
      1. [3]
        mrbig
        Link Parent
        Please allow me some nitpicking: most well known genres are also meta genres. Things like rock’n roll, metal music, horror, drama, comedy, gothic, noir, science fiction, cyberpunk, space opera all...

        Vocaloid isn't a genre, it's a meta-genre.

        Please allow me some nitpicking: most well known genres are also meta genres. Things like rock’n roll, metal music, horror, drama, comedy, gothic, noir, science fiction, cyberpunk, space opera all have subgenres with their own subgenres...

        2 votes
        1. [2]
          Akir
          Link Parent
          For the record, I am generally in the "genre is bunk" category.

          For the record, I am generally in the "genre is bunk" category.

          3 votes
          1. mrbig
            Link Parent
            The word “genre” is useful for referring to sets of attributes that frequently go together, that’s all.

            The word “genre” is useful for referring to sets of attributes that frequently go together, that’s all.

            3 votes
    2. Death
      Link Parent
      It's not just that singing is inconvenient, it's that being a good singer in certain styles is incredibly hard. It's so dependent on your whole body that most people never really reach beyond a...

      My current best guesses are convenience, since some people are better at making lyrics than singing them, having that AI/software be famous like Hatsune Miku so people can look up to it or that convenience having a FOSS-like appeal of just downloading some software and making it sing whatever you please.

      It's not just that singing is inconvenient, it's that being a good singer in certain styles is incredibly hard. It's so dependent on your whole body that most people never really reach beyond a passable level, and that's before you start going into more advanced vocal techniques. A skilled vocalist is actually really hard to come by.

      Vocaloid opens up ways for people who would otherwise not be able to make the kind of music they want to make, with the trade off being the more robotic sound. In that way it's sort of like synthesized instruments vs the real deal.

      5 votes
    3. [2]
      crdpa
      Link Parent
      I'm brazilian and like Peaky Blinders. Is that a thing? Never knew. The last two seasons got on my nerves, tho. There is so much "mysterious" Thomas Shelby that i can endure. I hate that...

      (at least in Brazil) Peaky Blinders

      I'm brazilian and like Peaky Blinders. Is that a thing? Never knew.

      The last two seasons got on my nerves, tho. There is so much "mysterious" Thomas Shelby that i can endure. I hate that pretentious dark vibe he presents, it's too formulaic and superficial. And when he says his "deep musings" i keep rolling my eyes.

      2 votes
      1. Kuromantis
        Link Parent
        The meme formats seem pretty popular, although admittedly I might be extrapolating from 2 classmates who have who have posted those memes and could be totally wrong.

        I'm brazilian and like Peaky Blinders. Is that a thing? Never knew.

        The meme formats seem pretty popular, although admittedly I might be extrapolating from 2 classmates who have who have posted those memes and could be totally wrong.

        2 votes
  9. [4]
    Death
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    Falling asleep to YouTube playlists of video essays. I've seen people talk about this multiple times online, that they'll make a playlist of video essays or other long YouTube videos and have them...

    Falling asleep to YouTube playlists of video essays. I've seen people talk about this multiple times online, that they'll make a playlist of video essays or other long YouTube videos and have them play while they fall asleep. That just seems like it would make it harder to fall asleep to me, and you're not really getting anything out of the content at that point.

    7 votes
    1. [2]
      kfwyre
      Link Parent
      I haven't fallen asleep to YouTube video essays, but I've done it to audiobooks which I feel like is in the same domain. I would put on something kind of drab and boring, set a sleep timer on the...

      I haven't fallen asleep to YouTube video essays, but I've done it to audiobooks which I feel like is in the same domain. I would put on something kind of drab and boring, set a sleep timer on the app for about an hour, and then I would deliberately attempt to focus on it and end up drifting off.

      For me, it was a way of taming the racing thoughts that anxiety tends to produce. My brain would be going a mile a minute, kept up by stresses, worries, and a need to plan things out. The audiobook was like climbing up on a stable rock from out of the water of some particularly turbulent rapids -- a spot of safety amidst broader chaos. In the rapids, my mind was exhausted but also incapable of turning itself off as a matter of self-preservation. On the safety of the rock, the self-preservation could be put at bay and exhaustion could then take over.

      Meditation also works for this but requires more self-discipline. You have to continually be aware of your own mind wandering and check it back into place. The audiobook is like the lazy version of this, where it gives you enough to focus on to distract your mind but not enough to keep it from nodding off. I'd imagine people use video essays for the same purpose.

      13 votes
      1. Death
        Link Parent
        That makes a lot of sense actually, thanks for the insight!

        That makes a lot of sense actually, thanks for the insight!

        3 votes
    2. wedgel
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      As someone who has a hard time falling asleep it's nice to have a background noise that shuts your head up. Some people listen to waves, some use a fan, and others sleep to tv. For me, I made a...

      As someone who has a hard time falling asleep it's nice to have a background noise that shuts your head up. Some people listen to waves, some use a fan, and others sleep to tv. For me, I made a video player that has genres and one of the genres is sleep. Stargate is in that list. So I can only assume the video essays are not about topics they're passionate about. And that the person giving the essay isn't very dynamic. Seems like a decent idea to me.

      3 votes
  10. [11]
    Pistos
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    Something I don't quite get is how some people can listen to a single song many times in a row, or many times over a short span of time like a few days. I'm a musician, and I love music, but I...

    Something I don't quite get is how some people can listen to a single song many times in a row, or many times over a short span of time like a few days. I'm a musician, and I love music, but I don't think there any single song in the world or in history that I would like so much that I would enjoy hearing it 20 times in a row non-stop. Being subject to that would ruin a song for me, and make me either like it significantly less, or not at all any more. Yet, I've heard tales of people putting songs on repeat.

    I'm reminded of the concept or purpose of the loaf. "Cruel and unusual punishment"

    7 votes
    1. maauer
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      I've done this on occasion and, yes, after a few days I get tired of a song. It needs to be a song that clicks in a certain way. However, I can listen to it on repeat for 5+ hours a day for a week...

      I've done this on occasion and, yes, after a few days I get tired of a song. It needs to be a song that clicks in a certain way. However, I can listen to it on repeat for 5+ hours a day for a week before that happens. For me its kind of like this comment above where the music is just something to fill a void and distract myself from the world and my own thoughts. A song that I know very well makes it easier to work on other things while listening, after a while my brain no longer latches onto the music.

      It does take a few weeks/months to be able to listen to that song again though.

      6 votes
    2. [2]
      frostycakes
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      For me, that only happens when I discover a song new to me that I love. I basically have to wring every drop of of dopamine out of the new shiny before I can move on. Yay for ADHD perseveration?...

      For me, that only happens when I discover a song new to me that I love. I basically have to wring every drop of of dopamine out of the new shiny before I can move on. Yay for ADHD perseveration?

      Also, much like rereading a book, repeated listens can help make parts I didn't notice on the first listen stand out to me.

      6 votes
      1. Micycle_the_Bichael
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        I do this all the time as well. It is wild how once I got an ADHD diagnosis a ton of the weird things I do that none of my friends could relate to are all symptoms of ADHD. Listening to songs 20...

        I do this all the time as well. It is wild how once I got an ADHD diagnosis a ton of the weird things I do that none of my friends could relate to are all symptoms of ADHD. Listening to songs 20 times in one day and not getting sick of it is one of them :)

        2 votes
    3. [2]
      crdpa
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      20 times in a row, no. Two times every day for weeks? It happens a lot. Metal is a style that never stops delivering new releases and some times there is a banger. The last ones i remember doing...

      20 times in a row, no. Two times every day for weeks? It happens a lot.

      Metal is a style that never stops delivering new releases and some times there is a banger.

      The last ones i remember doing this:

      Visigoth - Traitor's Gate

      Vredehammer - Aggressor

      But i tend to listen to the entire album, not a particular song in repeat. If the song is in there i will play the album almost everyday.

      The record Exercises in Futility from Mgla was playing daily on my car for weeks on my way to work.

      5 votes
      1. wedgel
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        I wasn't familiar with Vredehammer. Thank you.

        I wasn't familiar with Vredehammer. Thank you.

        2 votes
    4. mrbig
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      I did that when it took days to download an MP3 file. It took a lot of effort to download a song, and I made sure to enjoy it as much as I could!

      I did that when it took days to download an MP3 file. It took a lot of effort to download a song, and I made sure to enjoy it as much as I could!

      3 votes
    5. [2]
      Thra11
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      I'm not sure if I should feel sorry that you have never found a piece of music which you love to the point of obsession, or congratulate you on your apparently well-balanced and moderate attitude...

      I'm not sure if I should feel sorry that you have never found a piece of music which you love to the point of obsession, or congratulate you on your apparently well-balanced and moderate attitude to enjoying music. Next, you'll be telling us you always stop after a couple of drinks, and have never eaten a whole packet of biscuits in one sitting!

      To be honest, 20 times in a row does sound a bit much. When I find a new track I absolutely love, I'll often listen to it several times in a row, then put the whole album on shuffle, but keep poking it to play my new favourite track again.

      3 votes
      1. Pistos
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        Haha... re: drinks and re: whole packet: true and true

        Haha... re: drinks and re: whole packet: true and true

    6. petrichor
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      Listening to a song until I can't stand it anymore can help me focus, although yes, the end result is often that I end up liking it much less for a little while. When I'm working on something,...

      Listening to a song until I can't stand it anymore can help me focus, although yes, the end result is often that I end up liking it much less for a little while. When I'm working on something, music can serve as a track for my passive train of thought to circle around.

      2 votes
    7. wedgel
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      I do that. With tracks I'm making there's the enjoyment of "I made this!" Other times I realize something is missing so I'll add it. When it comes to tracks not by me, if it grabs me I may listen...

      I do that. With tracks I'm making there's the enjoyment of "I made this!" Other times I realize something is missing so I'll add it. When it comes to tracks not by me, if it grabs me I may listen to it a few times but it's not on repeat for an hour or anything. That would take what makes it sound fresh and kill it, I wouldn't enjoy it again for a year or two.

  11. [2]
    mrbig
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    Another one: marriage :P

    Another one: marriage :P

    7 votes
    1. wedgel
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      I felt the exact same way. Until my best friend proposed when I was in my late thirties. In fact, I was drunk and thought it was a joke! It helps with health benefits and if either of us dies the...

      I felt the exact same way. Until my best friend proposed when I was in my late thirties. In fact, I was drunk and thought it was a joke! It helps with health benefits and if either of us dies the other will be a bit better off. And she can hang out in the hospital all night when I fuck myself up, huge bonus! That's the thing you don't marry someone because you "love" them or love to fuck them, that's stupid. If you decide to get married, you marry your partner in crime.

      7 votes
  12. admicos
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    "Wholesome / Uplifting / Motivational" stuff. An image of a mountain with some random text never motivated me, a picture or video of a person or puppy never "uplifted" or made it "wholesome",...

    "Wholesome / Uplifting / Motivational" stuff.

    An image of a mountain with some random text never motivated me, a picture or video of a person or puppy never "uplifted" or made it "wholesome", especially if there was a (probably complete bs) story attached to it.

    When I see anything labelled with these (or similar), the only thing I see is "karma/view/like farmer", because that's almost always what it is. These are probably the easiest ways to farm <the equivalent of karma> because everyone will <the equivalent of upvote> them. They are never offensive and everyone will be fine with them "existing", so why not?

    And because of the nature of this content, It's just too easy to steal a video from somewhere, clip a small part and repost, and when confronted you have the perfect excuse of "I was just trying to make everyone happier". You don't even have to clip any watermarks out, you can just download and re-upload straight away if the video is short enough. It's literally zero work, even for videos.

    I don't like reposting, even for stuff like memes where people claim "it's made to be shared". The original poster made some effort patching the image together (assuming it's not a reaction image lazily slapped at the bottom), yet you just download and re-upload (sometimes "right click > copy url" is enough). This is multiplied a hundred for most "wholesome" content, both because the original poster made the effort of actually taking a good picture/video (vs downloading with a single click), and because posts like that are appropriate almost everywhere, unlike "memes" which are sometimes forbidden or unwanted.

    7 votes
  13. [11]
    mrbig
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    Things that are supper bitter such as coffee.

    Things that are supper bitter such as coffee.

    6 votes
    1. [6]
      emdash
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      I drink coffee of varying origins and qualities daily, but I can understand this one. Especially if your palette identifies coffee as being quite bitter, combined with only having bad coffee for...

      I drink coffee of varying origins and qualities daily, but I can understand this one. Especially if your palette identifies coffee as being quite bitter, combined with only having bad coffee for most of your life. It takes a while to train yourself to identify notes and actually dial in the correct process for making a good cup, and for a lot of people—possibly yourself—that simply isn't worth the time and effort.

      6 votes
      1. [3]
        RapidEyeMovement
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        Side note on exploring coffee, I have started roasting my own beans because of utter boredom during the pandemic, and I cannot believe how cheap and easy it is. Also surprised I am able to get...

        Side note on exploring coffee, I have started roasting my own beans because of utter boredom during the pandemic, and I cannot believe how cheap and easy it is. Also surprised I am able to get such good results.

        9 votes
        1. [2]
          emdash
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          I had no idea you could even do that. Interesting! Honestly though, I wouldn't trust myself to do it properly. I'd probably burn the beans or do any of the probably dozens of things you can to...

          I had no idea you could even do that. Interesting! Honestly though, I wouldn't trust myself to do it properly. I'd probably burn the beans or do any of the probably dozens of things you can to screw it up. It sounds like a good side-hobby during the pandemic though. I personally chose to make a sourdough starter, which at least has the benefit of only needing to get something right once (once you've got starter, maintaining it is trivial).

          3 votes
          1. RapidEyeMovement
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            Its pretty simple. Found this video (10:19) that explains thing pretty well. He shows how quickly it can be done go once you have everything. He also uses the same 'whirley pop' roaster that I...

            Its pretty simple.

            Found this video (10:19) that explains thing pretty well. He shows how quickly it can be done go once you have everything. He also uses the same 'whirley pop' roaster that I have and gets his coffee beans from the same supplier so I can vouch for all of that stuff. I also don't use a thermometer don't really think it is needed.

            The only other thing of note is that it can get pretty smokey.

            I'll answer any questions if you have them

            3 votes
      2. [2]
        mrbig
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        Coffee in Brazil is usually considered not so bad, probably stronger than people are used to in some places. I had chocolate at Starbucks in São Paulo and it was like weakly flavored water. I...

        Coffee in Brazil is usually considered not so bad, probably stronger than people are used to in some places.

        I had chocolate at Starbucks in São Paulo and it was like weakly flavored water. I assume their coffee is the same.

        2 votes
        1. parsley
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          Starbucks sells flavoured skim milk with fancy names. You go there for the fanciness, not the beverages.

          Starbucks sells flavoured skim milk with fancy names. You go there for the fanciness, not the beverages.

          3 votes
    2. parsley
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      Same with alcohol, spicy food and pretty much everything. You get used to it and enjoy it more. I like tea a lot and the better quality ones get very bitter. I started with sweetened and fruit...

      Same with alcohol, spicy food and pretty much everything. You get used to it and enjoy it more.

      I like tea a lot and the better quality ones get very bitter. I started with sweetened and fruit flavoured stuff. As I started dropping sugar from my diet I started appreciating the rest of the flavour profile, the astringency, etc. The bitter gets less "shocking" to your taste buds over time and it gets easier to try more bitter stuff, not because it is more bitter but because the rest of the flavour is richer.

      4 votes
    3. [3]
      Tardigrade
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      How do you feel about mate?

      How do you feel about mate?

      2 votes
      1. mrbig
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        I now realize I was actually answering to an entirely different question (mistook the threads). I have tried mate (sometimes called “chimarrão” in Brazil) and find it much milder and even pleasant...

        I now realize I was actually answering to an entirely different question (mistook the threads).

        I have tried mate (sometimes called “chimarrão” in Brazil) and find it much milder and even pleasant (depending of the preparation and concentration).

        4 votes
      2. mrbig
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        It’s actually hard to see a difference between the two.

        It’s actually hard to see a difference between the two.

        1 vote
  14. [11]
    NoblePath
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    Beer. I understand the appeal of alcohol, mind you. But not beer. It seems a waste of water resources.

    Beer. I understand the appeal of alcohol, mind you. But not beer. It seems a waste of water resources.

    5 votes
    1. [6]
      Pistos
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      There is a very wide variance in beer types. They vary not just in flavour, but appearance, aroma, bitterness (see IBU ), texture/feel (smoothness or apparent viscosity), carbonation level, and...

      There is a very wide variance in beer types. They vary not just in flavour, but appearance, aroma, bitterness (see IBU ), texture/feel (smoothness or apparent viscosity), carbonation level, and how much foam (head) is produced upon pouring. In addition to the common main ingredients (water, hops, etc.), some beers have things added, like milk or coffee or lactose. Besides these variables, what would otherwise be a good beer can provide a different experience depending on how it's handled. Left out for hours (days?) vs. served right out of the tap or bottle. Chilled vs. not. There is also the concept of skunked beer.

      Anyway, my point is that there's a huge difference between a good beer and a poor beer. If you've only tried a handful of beers, that could be skewing your opinion. For starters, I'd stay away from anything mass produced and sold in double-digit packs, and anything that would have a TV commercial that aired during a sports broadcast. The very best stuff, in my experience, can be purchased as individual cans or in packs of 6 or fewer, and are brewed by local breweries. So-called "craft" beer.

      I can make a few recommendations that ought to be internationally available, if you like. I can guarantee you they'll be night-and-day compared to stuff sold in 24s.

      7 votes
      1. [5]
        NoblePath
        Link Parent
        My hometown of asheville, nc, probably has more craft breweries per capita than any city in the world, so i am aware of the intricacies of the scene. But it all tastes the same to me. And I do...

        My hometown of asheville, nc, probably has more craft breweries per capita than any city in the world, so i am aware of the intricacies of the scene. But it all tastes the same to me. And I do have a fairly attuned palate for tea and food (especially bbq) and whiskey (real paddy ftw). But beer escapes me, i’m pretty sure the phenomenon is there to normalize drinking more (mostly kidding).

        2 votes
        1. Pistos
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          Oh, okay. That's cool. À chacun son goût. :) Though, a smooth, dark stout and a light IPA seem really different to me in several ways.

          Oh, okay. That's cool. À chacun son goût. :) Though, a smooth, dark stout and a light IPA seem really different to me in several ways.

          4 votes
        2. [2]
          CedarMadness
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          I love Asheville's brew scene. Their leading brewery, Highland, goes out of their way to make their bottles easy to de-label so that homebrewers can re-use them. When I was getting started it was...

          I love Asheville's brew scene. Their leading brewery, Highland, goes out of their way to make their bottles easy to de-label so that homebrewers can re-use them. When I was getting started it was a huge help. Sadly it looks like Highland has fallen into the trap of making mostly IPA these days. IPAs seems to dominate the craft brew scene these days, and I find it incredibly boring. Great, it's super bitter, now what else can you give me?

          2 votes
          1. Thra11
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            Sometimes they have citrus notes, which seems to be a funny way of saying weirdly acrid. Personally, I too tend to steer clear of the IPAs, preferring the darker stuff: Porters, Stouts,...

            IPAs seems to dominate the craft brew scene these days, and I find it incredibly boring. Great, it's super bitter, now what else can you give me?

            Sometimes they have citrus notes, which seems to be a funny way of saying weirdly acrid. Personally, I too tend to steer clear of the IPAs, preferring the darker stuff: Porters, Stouts, "Scottish-style" ales, Dubbels, and so on.

            We are on different continents, so I'm not sure to what extent we're actually discussing the same beer.

            3 votes
        3. mrbig
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          That’s probably true to some extent, but many people don’t need to normalize drinking at all. Beer can be actually tasteful.

          But beer escapes me, i’m pretty sure the phenomenon is there to normalize drinking more (mostly kidding).

          That’s probably true to some extent, but many people don’t need to normalize drinking at all. Beer can be actually tasteful.

    2. [3]
      Omnicrola
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      I'll echo what @Pistos said, there's a huge variety of beers to try, and almost any craft beer will at least be interesting even if you find you don't like it. I wasn't "in" to beer for many...

      I'll echo what @Pistos said, there's a huge variety of beers to try, and almost any craft beer will at least be interesting even if you find you don't like it.

      I wasn't "in" to beer for many years, until I moved to a state that had a pretty active craft brew scene. Made friends who both enjoyed them and made some of their own sometimes, so I got to sample a wide variety of things. First thing they taught me was stop drinking soda (or other sweet things) for awhile, and let your brain adjust to not expecting every liquid to be as sweet as soda is.

      After that, exploring the various genres and types of beer has been fun. There's a local market near me that has an entire isle for beer, and 95% of it you will never see advertised on things like ESPN. There's a lot of stuff in there from just the state I'm in, a bunch of others from around the US, and a whole section just for things imported from Europe. It's been a fun game to try and sample as many weird things as possible.

      7 votes
      1. [2]
        Thra11
        Link Parent
        Do they operate a ferry service, or do you just observe the beers from a distance? I assume the idea is to stop the beers escaping without having unsightly fences or walls blocking your view?

        There's a local market near me that has an entire isle for beer

        Do they operate a ferry service, or do you just observe the beers from a distance? I assume the idea is to stop the beers escaping without having unsightly fences or walls blocking your view?

        5 votes
        1. Omnicrola
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          Ya it's a much better environment than a fenced area or the also common "cave". Sometimes I'll just observe them, they behave quite differently in their native habitat. The most lively are the...

          Ya it's a much better environment than a fenced area or the also common "cave".

          Sometimes I'll just observe them, they behave quite differently in their native habitat. The most lively are the IPA's, which will hop around quite a bit at night, though they avoid sunlight (more so than most). My favorite too drink are the barrel aged ones, though they're not very lively to watch, especially when watching from a distance. They mostly just sit there and.... age. The kolch and the pilsners have a very delightful mating call that you can actually hear for quite a ways across the water.

          Normally they allow you to take a small boat over and trap them yourself (up to your tag limit), but with COVID they're limiting the number of people, so they also offer to trap then for you and then leave them on the main dock where you can pick them up later.

          6 votes
    3. mrbig
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      I used to drink beer only to get wasted. Then I realized vodka and cachaça would take me there faster. I don’t drink like that anymore. A few years ago, a friend of mine made a point to introduce...

      I used to drink beer only to get wasted. Then I realized vodka and cachaça would take me there faster. I don’t drink like that anymore.

      A few years ago, a friend of mine made a point to introduce me to some quality beers, both Brazilian and imported. He also explained why those beers were considered superior. So I learned to appreciate the flavor and texture of a few good beers. Cheap everyday beer is frequently crap.

      5 votes
  15. [2]
    Icarus
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    College football for teams that you nor anyone in the family had ever attended. This is pretty prevalent in the southern US. As someone who ended up going to one of these schools, the amount of...

    College football for teams that you nor anyone in the family had ever attended. This is pretty prevalent in the southern US. As someone who ended up going to one of these schools, the amount of fervor these people have is both awe-inspiring and off-putting. It gets so bad that we have toxic twitter fan bases nowadays where grown men are lobbying high school kids to go to school A or school B, and if they don't then they endlessly harass these kids. It is absolutely bizarre to me.

    5 votes
    1. soks_n_sandals
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      College football in the south, especially the SEC, is practically a religion. We rooted for a school that no one in my family had attended until I went. Tailgating was not my favorite past time,...

      College football in the south, especially the SEC, is practically a religion. We rooted for a school that no one in my family had attended until I went. Tailgating was not my favorite past time, and the way people behaved at the game was extremely off-putting. I made my decision then that I'll watch sports ball on my couch.

      3 votes
  16. Wolf
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    Animals. Pets. I find most of them gross. I just get an instinctive feeling of grossness whenever I see one near me. Edit: I understand the irony of my name being "Wolf." It's just a name I picked...

    Animals. Pets. I find most of them gross. I just get an instinctive feeling of grossness whenever I see one near me.

    Edit: I understand the irony of my name being "Wolf." It's just a name I picked because the word was in the book I was reading at the time I made the account.

    4 votes