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What is something someone has said that stuck with you?

One time I asked someone what they thought about the phrase "people are temporary" and it ended with them telling me:

I don't like saying goodbye to people because I don't know if it's going to be the last time.

That just stuck with me and really got me thinking how precious our time is.

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  1. [6]
    Pioneer
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    "You suffer no fools and tolerate no bullshit. I respect that, but it'll piss everyone off above you constantly." - My first Director nearly 14 years ago. I'd got into an argument in a boardroom...

    "You suffer no fools and tolerate no bullshit. I respect that, but it'll piss everyone off above you constantly." - My first Director nearly 14 years ago.

    I'd got into an argument in a boardroom where a councillor had looked at a report, made his assumptions and refused to accept he was wrong. It got heated and I told him to 'get his head out of his ass, this was about lives and not profits' and my Director interjected at that point,

    In a debrief afterwards, those are the words he said. I remember it clear as day and felt awful until the second bit came out of his mouth. I get what he means, he and I worked on tact, diplomacy and attitude a lot in my three years working with him, he was great. I still struggle with not wanting to bludgeon folks when they're jackasses, but I'm better at it than I was back then.

    That being said, I get a lot of praise from my teams and other areas of leadership for the zero-bullshit attitude I take to things. So, swings and roundabouts.

    45 votes
    1. [5]
      updawg
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      This reminds me of this five-week training course I went to for work. It was really funny seeing my feedback at the end because a lot of it was saying the same thing but was completely split on if...

      This reminds me of this five-week training course I went to for work. It was really funny seeing my feedback at the end because a lot of it was saying the same thing but was completely split on if I was amazing for not bullshitting or if I was the Devil incarnate for saying what I meant. The funny thing was that the day after we did our "midterm" feedback, we had an auditorium session with members from other branches and the Marine told us we need to stop mincing our words and just say what we mean...and he literally got a standing ovation for that, IIRC. To say I appreciated the irony would be quite the understatement.

      11 votes
      1. [2]
        Sodliddesu
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        A buddy of mine got peer reviews back and after almost everyone would ask him for help on every project he'd just reply "I copy the grading standards for "Excellent" into my word doc and meet...

        A buddy of mine got peer reviews back and after almost everyone would ask him for help on every project he'd just reply "I copy the grading standards for "Excellent" into my word doc and meet those criteria."

        His reviews said he didn't help others... because he was too busy being asked by everyone because he had the highest scores.

        My reviews said I was both "a good listener, who values others opinions" and "dismissive of other's viewpoints." So, clearly the people who agree with me think I'm a good listener I guess.

        7 votes
        1. bitwaba
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          "I heard what you said. But it's wrong"

          "I heard what you said. But it's wrong"

          2 votes
      2. Pioneer
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        I'm ex-forces as well. I know exactly what you mean. "This guys a loaded cannon, but for all the right reasons!" The problem with Marines (USMC and RMC) are that they have so few words to say, so...

        This reminds me of this five-week training course I went to for work (military). It was really funny seeing my feedback at the end because a lot of it was saying the same thing but was completely split on if I was amazing for not bullshitting or if I was the Devil incarnate for saying what I meant

        I'm ex-forces as well. I know exactly what you mean. "This guys a loaded cannon, but for all the right reasons!"

        The funny thing was that the day after we did our "midterm" feedback, we had an auditorium session with members from other branches and the Marine told us we need to stop mincing our words and just say what we mean...and he literally got a standing ovation for that, IIRC. To say I appreciated the irony would be quite the understatement.

        The problem with Marines (USMC and RMC) are that they have so few words to say, so that's why they don't mince words!

        4 votes
      3. thefilmslayer
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        The army is good for some things. In my experience, you get a better reputation if you're blunt about things.

        The army is good for some things. In my experience, you get a better reputation if you're blunt about things.

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    patience_limited
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    "The company won't take care of you, you need to take care of you." That little thunderclap came when I was literally killing myself to keep a job that I used to love, and getting abused further...

    "The company won't take care of you, you need to take care of you."

    That little thunderclap came when I was literally killing myself to keep a job that I used to love, and getting abused further in return for the effort. It was so, so, healthy and liberating to skedaddle out of there.

    "Everyone is doing the best they can."

    That was a chewy therapy nugget. It can take a continuous, conscious effort at empathy to fully understand what this means. But when I finally got the message, it made it much easier to move on from some fairly rough abuse at the hands of my parents, and stop viewing myself so consistently negatively.

    Even the worst, most appalling behavior, the grossest malice, the people who seem like they should know how to do better... usually don't.

    We often don't know enough to tell that we're ignorant, "Dunning-Kruger"-ing our way through life. I have no reliable model or information about other people's interior worlds and life experiences, the axioms they're operating on, without asking directly. [Which is another version of "We judge ourselves by our intentions and others by their behaviour."]

    It's occasionally interesting to look at things like the r/"Am-I-the-Asshole" threads, because they're a rare example of both willingness to reflect on one's behavior in a public setting, and the distorting biases people use when they recall their own actions.

    35 votes
    1. [3]
      Pioneer
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      "work won't love you back" is the term I heard in my first leadership role. It's also the name of a book about the very problem you said there. Got a hard "work my damn contract" attitude to me...

      "The company won't take care of you, you need to take care of you."

      "work won't love you back" is the term I heard in my first leadership role. It's also the name of a book about the very problem you said there.

      Got a hard "work my damn contract" attitude to me these days.

      14 votes
      1. [2]
        patience_limited
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        For me, it was more than "work won't love you back". I'd built too much of a seemingly caring support network of friends and colleagues based on the workplace, which is easy when you're putting in...

        For me, it was more than "work won't love you back". I'd built too much of a seemingly caring support network of friends and colleagues based on the workplace, which is easy when you're putting in stupid hours. When jobs became a game of musical chairs and the politics turned toxic, I let myself get stepped on and back-stabbed by people I'd trusted. Because I didn't put my own needs first, or take much account of them at all among "friends".

        I take full responsibility for not having the wisdom to create a sustainable balance between my own life and the demands of capitalism. I've still got too much desire to make friends at work, but we've all got so much in common, and it's a small town...

        7 votes
        1. Pioneer
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          I do hate workplaces like that. I've worked in Big4 consulting and reviled it for that culture alone. I started my own firm up in 2019 and remain a director to it now (Got partners, employees and...

          I do hate workplaces like that. I've worked in Big4 consulting and reviled it for that culture alone. I started my own firm up in 2019 and remain a director to it now (Got partners, employees and the such), despite doing other full-time work. Refused to allow a backstabbing culture and it's just "Tech nerds doing tech things" more than anything!

          So I hear you man, it absolutely sucks. I always find there's one person in 100-200 who you'll remain in contact with after you leave. Even then, it may not become a full friendship... but the rest you just kind of forget about until you see them on LinkedIn or they try shilling to your new firm.

          I take full responsibility for not having the wisdom to create a sustainable balance between my own life and the demands of capitalism. I've still got too much desire to make friends at work, but we've all got so much in common, and it's a small town...

          I hear it mate. I'm in London and it can get lonely and Small-Town here.

          Make the mates, but guard ones faculties at the pub / bar / nights out from work stuff. Talk life and you'll build actual friendships. Those who stick to shoptalk are usually the ones to veer clear of anyway!

          2 votes
    2. gco
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      In a similar vein to your first comment, someone told me The impact is a bit lost on translation but it gets the point across.

      In a similar vein to your first comment, someone told me

      If you kill yourself working for the company, they're not going to build you a statue.

      The impact is a bit lost on translation but it gets the point across.

      5 votes
  3. [3]
    Maelstrom
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    A coworker once said to me “I envy you, Maelstrom. You truely live in the moment.” A decade later I still don’t know what to take away from that, but I suspect I have ADHD and she noticed in her...

    A coworker once said to me “I envy you, Maelstrom. You truely live in the moment.” A decade later I still don’t know what to take away from that, but I suspect I have ADHD and she noticed in her own way.

    I also think the quote “We judge ourselves by our intentions and others by their behaviour” is very useful.

    24 votes
    1. [2]
      kuzbr
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      This sounds very similar to the fundamental attribution error. You might enjoy the wiki article on it!

      I also think the quote “We judge ourselves by our intentions and others by their behaviour” is very useful.

      This sounds very similar to the fundamental attribution error. You might enjoy the wiki article on it!

      11 votes
      1. Maelstrom
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        You’re right, I did enjoy that and it sounds very similar.

        You’re right, I did enjoy that and it sounds very similar.

        3 votes
  4. redbearsam
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    Someone hit me years ago when I was going through a long super depressed patch with "do you remember when you used to be fun?" Not a suitable tactic for everyone but it was what I needed to hear....

    Someone hit me years ago when I was going through a long super depressed patch with "do you remember when you used to be fun?"

    Not a suitable tactic for everyone but it was what I needed to hear. Sort of a compliment and a warning buried under a brutal joke. Was the key thing in changing my mental approach and getting back to "normal".

    21 votes
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    winther
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    "It is better to start somewhere than nowhere" Can be applied to big and small things in life. Cleaning up the kitchen. Finding a new job. Working on bigger projects at work. Getting more...

    "It is better to start somewhere than nowhere"

    Can be applied to big and small things in life. Cleaning up the kitchen. Finding a new job. Working on bigger projects at work. Getting more exercise.

    Often it is better to just start doing something rather than planning and thinking forever. Not the same as doing things without preparation or thought, but at some point some experience is required that no more thinking or planning can help with.

    21 votes
    1. domukin
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      It’s hard to describe but sometimes I dwell on how astronomically bigger 1 is compared to 0. When we think of large goals we tend to discount the impact that a small (or tiny) goal would have...

      It’s hard to describe but sometimes I dwell on how astronomically bigger 1 is compared to 0. When we think of large goals we tend to discount the impact that a small (or tiny) goal would have especially over time. Walking 1 mile a day is infinitely better than walking 0 miles, even though some run marathons.

      3 votes
    2. Kind_of_Ben
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      Similarly, "you can't guide an unmoving object." You can turn the steering wheel in a parked car all you want, but it ain't going anywhere. You have to step on the gas first.

      Similarly, "you can't guide an unmoving object." You can turn the steering wheel in a parked car all you want, but it ain't going anywhere. You have to step on the gas first.

      2 votes
  6. [6]
    EnigmaNL
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    Somebody explained Hanlon's Razor to me once and it did change how I view people's actions a lot. Sometimes people do stupid shit, not because they're assholes, but just because they're stupid.

    Somebody explained Hanlon's Razor to me once and it did change how I view people's actions a lot. Sometimes people do stupid shit, not because they're assholes, but just because they're stupid.

    19 votes
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      Nazarie
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      In relation to that, I always remember the George Carlin quip It's not a nice statement, but it's enlightening about the behaviors of those around you

      In relation to that, I always remember the George Carlin quip

      Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.

      It's not a nice statement, but it's enlightening about the behaviors of those around you

      16 votes
      1. [3]
        cdb
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        50:50 on which side of that average you are on... Going around thinking that other people are stupid just makes me angry. Plus, what if sometimes I'm the stupid one and I just don't know it? I...

        50:50 on which side of that average you are on...

        Going around thinking that other people are stupid just makes me angry. Plus, what if sometimes I'm the stupid one and I just don't know it? I feel like life is easier if I make up some reason for other people's actions if I'm unhappy with their behavior. Someone cut me off in traffic? Maybe they really have to poop and can't concentrate on driving. Someone wasn't nice to me? Maybe they're having a bad day.

        5 votes
        1. domukin
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          This resonated with what someone else mentioned on this thread “We judge ourselves by our intentions and others by their behavior”. The cynical thing to do is to judge others by their direct...

          This resonated with what someone else mentioned on this thread “We judge ourselves by our intentions and others by their behavior”. The cynical thing to do is to judge others by their direct (likely negative) impact on you “that guy is an asshole because he cut me off”. The kind thing to do is judge them by charitable assumption of their intention “that guy is has to rush to his house because he’s got a sick kid at home”.

          It kinda doesn’t matter that the reality is because you’ll never know; but being constantly angry does take a toll on your own mental health and outlook. So being kind is healthier for everyone.

          6 votes
        2. Nazarie
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          The poop one is funny. I'll try that the next time I want to yell at a bad driver. :) I tell my kids that maybe people not being nice are just having a bad day. Honestly, I feel like we are all on...

          The poop one is funny. I'll try that the next time I want to yell at a bad driver. :) I tell my kids that maybe people not being nice are just having a bad day.

          Honestly, I feel like we are all on the other side of the line from time to time.

      2. 3rdcupcoffee
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        Every time i hear that quote, i can’t stop thinking about statistics. I would assume population interference is a bell curve, aka standard deviation. Implying that not only is half the population...

        Every time i hear that quote, i can’t stop thinking about statistics. I would assume population interference is a bell curve, aka standard deviation. Implying that not only is half the population “stupider,” but that a great majority of the general population (68-95%) is also fairly stupid, or at least, not that different from “how stupid the average person is.” Turns out, most of us are pretty close to the average, regardless of which side of the distribution we’re on.

        I get the impression some people use that quote to imply some sort of bi- or tri-modal system; with exceptionally dumb people (somehow 50% of the population is here, as due to being any amount below average), average, and then exceptional intelligence (somehow the other 50% is here).

        I know I’m really over thinking this, but i find the reality of most people being of average intelligence as more frightening than a reality where half the population is well above average intelligence.

        2 votes
  7. rogue_cricket
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    "It won't be the same, but it will be OK." My mother said this to me when I was eleven years old and she was separating from my father. When I am anxious about a change in my life, this is the...

    "It won't be the same, but it will be OK."

    My mother said this to me when I was eleven years old and she was separating from my father. When I am anxious about a change in my life, this is the little mantra I use to focus less on worrying uselessly and focus more on creating a good outcome.

    18 votes
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    flying_solo
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    "Don't say retarded, there are those around you with family that may be disabled and take that term offensively." I took that to heart as I never meant to mock the disabled. 7 years later, I had a...

    "Don't say retarded, there are those around you with family that may be disabled and take that term offensively." I took that to heart as I never meant to mock the disabled. 7 years later, I had a child with Downs and Autism and that statement rang even truer. Now, I give the same reminder.

    Later, in life I had a similar experience for saying "that's Gay." I have since struck that as well from my vocabulary.

    17 votes
    1. [2]
      SleepyGary
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      Same same, for a long time I grew up in a small town and online. To me it was just a phrase "everyone" said that I didn't associate with homosexuals. In my mid-20s I was hosting a party and I said...

      Later, in life I had a similar experience for saying "that's Gay." I have since struck that as well from my vocabulary.

      Same same, for a long time I grew up in a small town and online. To me it was just a phrase "everyone" said that I didn't associate with homosexuals. In my mid-20s I was hosting a party and I said "that's gay" offhand about something when my girlfriends best friend, who is queer, said "oh it is?" And it finally clicked for me, and I've never said it since.

      13 votes
      1. CptBluebear
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        Life is about learning things, and that is one of them. Teen me wouldn't bat an eye, nowadays I think otherwise.

        Life is about learning things, and that is one of them.

        Teen me wouldn't bat an eye, nowadays I think otherwise.

        2 votes
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    PossiblyBipedal
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    I don't remember the exact details anymore. But it's the sentiment. At my very first workplace, I was 19? I told my colleague I didn't like something because it was too popular. And she had this...

    I don't remember the exact details anymore. But it's the sentiment.

    At my very first workplace, I was 19? I told my colleague I didn't like something because it was too popular. And she had this utter look of puzzlement on her face. "Why? That's dumb"

    Those might not have been the exact words but it was something like that.

    But it was indeed dumb. I questioned why I had to dislike something just because other people liked it. I questioned many things.

    And now, I carefully like or dislike what I do because of my own tastes and not dependent on what other people do.

    Having said that, it's really really really really hard to enjoy rick and morty these days because of other people. I'm trying very hard not to let that affect anything. But I'm not perfect and it is hard.

    16 votes
    1. Alphalpha_Particle
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      I used to think a little like that, but now my thinking is a little bit more refined-- I may like something that is popular but I don't have to pursue it because I like it (and it's popular). I...

      I used to think a little like that, but now my thinking is a little bit more refined-- I may like something that is popular but I don't have to pursue it because I like it (and it's popular).

      I usually think about this with music in particular. Sure I may like Taylor Swift's songs but I don't choose to pursue it because she's popular-- I think there is more value if I spend my time listening to other smaller artists vs the big artists, 1+ amongst thousands vs. a negligible 1+ amongst millions.

      2 votes
  10. kuzbr
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    Not said directly to me, but something one of my friends wrote. It was with regards to a significant personal problem that they'd tried to solve. "It's ok if you don't have the solution today....

    Not said directly to me, but something one of my friends wrote. It was with regards to a significant personal problem that they'd tried to solve. "It's ok if you don't have the solution today. Just know you will have the solution eventually." (They said it much more eloquently, I'm paraphrasing...) The idea there was, if you are trying hard to solve the problem but just haven't figured it out yet, don't beat yourself up. Keep trying and remember that you will eventually find the solution. This belief of the future can provide some sort of relief today. (To be clear, I realize there are problems which can't or won't be solved, but this was specifically the sort of thing that, you know you're gonna solve it one day if you try hard enough, but you don't necessarily know when it's going to happen; just don't lose site of that on the stressful days until then.) This has helped me a lot, and I've always been grateful for that advice!

    13 votes
  11. [4]
    Onion_Cry_Time
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    Three quotes that have helped me in my current stage in life. "Own it." Meaning be authentic and don't doubt yourself. "Perfection is the enemy of good" and "something worth doing, is worth doing...

    Three quotes that have helped me in my current stage in life.

    "Own it."

    Meaning be authentic and don't doubt yourself.

    "Perfection is the enemy of good" and "something worth doing, is worth doing poorly"

    I take this as a slight improvement is a step in the right direction.

    12 votes
    1. [3]
      Dustfinger
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      I've taken that last sentiment and often say it as "finished, not perfect." For whatever reason there have been times when I've been working on a project and try to do it perfectly, even when I...

      I've taken that last sentiment and often say it as "finished, not perfect." For whatever reason there have been times when I've been working on a project and try to do it perfectly, even when I can't. It's been helpful to tell myself "finished, not perfect" just so I can wrap it up and move on without agonizing too much over the details.

      4 votes
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        domukin
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        At some point I heard some version of “most of the work is showing up”. If you don’t submit that imperfect project, you don’t show up. If you’re too afraid of failure or preoccupied with what...

        At some point I heard some version of “most of the work is showing up”. If you don’t submit that imperfect project, you don’t show up. If you’re too afraid of failure or preoccupied with what others think of you, you don’t show up.

        Just putting one foot in front the other, doing the work, being consistent gets you surprisingly far in life. You don’t have to be exceptional or talented, just show up and do the work.

        2 votes
        1. patience_limited
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          And what's not emphasized enough is that if you show up and do the work patiently, humbly, and with attention, you can become exceptional. Everybody starts somewhere, but most avert greatness by...

          And what's not emphasized enough is that if you show up and do the work patiently, humbly, and with attention, you can become exceptional.

          Everybody starts somewhere, but most avert greatness by stopping.

          1 vote
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    Dustfinger
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    I'm not sure if I've ever had someone say exactly this to me, but "distinguish between family and relatives." At the end of the day, the people you're related to by blood are individuals in their...

    I'm not sure if I've ever had someone say exactly this to me, but "distinguish between family and relatives." At the end of the day, the people you're related to by blood are individuals in their own right, and there's no guarantee that you're going to get along with them. It's good to keep things peaceful but I don't believe it's necessary to be extremely close with all of ones relatives. Additionally, I've actually become much closer with people I'm not related to, more in line with the "found family" concept.

    If others has differing perspectives or have found themselves in a similar mindset I'd be interested in talking about it.

    11 votes
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      Kind_of_Ben
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      I don't have much to add except that my experience has very much been the same in recent years. I have several friends I am incredibly close with in ways I simply can't be with my family. I'm on...

      I don't have much to add except that my experience has very much been the same in recent years. I have several friends I am incredibly close with in ways I simply can't be with my family. I'm on great terms with my immediate family, but still, I think it makes sense - I chose my friends, I didn't choose my family. The full version of the "blood/water" aphorism is very true in my experience; "Blood of the covenant is thicker than water of the womb". It's exactly the opposite of the conventional usage.

      2 votes
      1. Dustfinger
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        I hadn't heard that full version, but as someone a little esoterically inclined I quite like it! Funny how collective consciousness can so easily twist sayings towards new meanings.

        I hadn't heard that full version, but as someone a little esoterically inclined I quite like it! Funny how collective consciousness can so easily twist sayings towards new meanings.

        1 vote
  13. TACD
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    When I was a child, my grandmother told me "Don't let anybody tell you these are your golden years. They're gold-plated." As a kid, I really appreciated that; most people idolise childhood but...

    When I was a child, my grandmother told me "Don't let anybody tell you these are your golden years. They're gold-plated."

    As a kid, I really appreciated that; most people idolise childhood but there's plenty of struggle, confusion, and general lack of freedom. I think a lot of adults give themselves a hard time because children are simply not allowed the independence to e.g. take a break or decide they're too sick to work, and it can be hard to grow out of that mindset.

    10 votes
  14. horseplay
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    I'd been married <5 years and I was doing an inspection on a house for an energy company. It was occupied by an elderly fellow and his wife, who was in hospice, unresponsive and relegated to a bed...

    I'd been married <5 years and I was doing an inspection on a house for an energy company. It was occupied by an elderly fellow and his wife, who was in hospice, unresponsive and relegated to a bed as she waned away in her final days. For all the trouble it stirred in my heart, this old fellow patiently doting on his bedridden spouse was emblematic of true love. He expressed his grief with a stoic air, that if the roles were reversed he would hope he had the same love behind his care. It was sort of like Pippin when he finds Merry after the big battle in front of Gondor.

    I cannot recall how many years he'd said they were married, but I'm fairly certain it was more than 50. I asked him what he thought was essential to an enduring marriage. With a wise nod, he said "patience, tolerance, and compromise."

    I'll be the first to say love also helps, but now that I've been in that same marriage all this time, all I can say is he was right, because when anger flares and the love gets cast to the wayside in that heated moment, what he specified needs to be present in order for love to endure.

    8 votes
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    dirthawker
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    "You're my guardian angel." I was driving through my hometown heading back to my mom's house after an errand, and saw an old lady had jumped her car over the curb and it was hung up on a concrete...

    "You're my guardian angel."

    I was driving through my hometown heading back to my mom's house after an errand, and saw an old lady had jumped her car over the curb and it was hung up on a concrete planter. She had gotten out of the car and was just staring astounded at the situation. I stopped and talked with her and stuck with her while I flagged down another driver (this was before mobile phones) and had them call police. I didn't do that much to be honest but just kept her company until the cops and the tow came and took over the situation. I told her good luck and she said that to me. I thought she was still a little goofy and shaken up and said something like "ohh that's nothing." The usual aw shucks stuff. I'm not religious, so --

    And she said something like 'Who else but my guardian angel would help me like this?"

    I said thanks and went home. But it stuck with me a long time. If there's a reason to be on this earth, it's to give help where you can. It may not mean that much to you but to the person being helped it can be everything.

    8 votes
    1. FarraigePlaisteach
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      That's a really good point about relatively small contributions. They mightn't seem like much to us, yes, but we tend to be critical of ourselves and it's not about the material part anyway. If we...

      That's a really good point about relatively small contributions. They mightn't seem like much to us, yes, but we tend to be critical of ourselves and it's not about the material part anyway. If we could doubt ourselves a little less, I think there are a lot more good people waiting to come out. Good on you.

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    first-must-burn
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    This is a line from a song by the band Paramore called "Last Hope": I have struggled with depression all my life, and this speaks to me about that struggle. I have good days and bad days, and good...

    This is a line from a song by the band Paramore called "Last Hope":

    And the salt in my wounds
    Isn't burning anymore than it used to.
    It's not that I don't feel the pain
    It's just I'm not afraid of hurting anymore.

    I have struggled with depression all my life, and this speaks to me about that struggle. I have good days and bad days, and good weeks and bad weeks, but it's always there.

    I'm in treatment with therapy and medication, and thing a have improved a lot. But part of my dealing with it is accepting that it's a part of me, and it might "get better" but it's never going to "get well," and that the struggle is always going to be there.

    7 votes
    1. [3]
      bitwaba
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      I'd never know what depression was. It some time around 32 yrs old I hit these 2-4 weeks where I just didn't give a shit about anything at work or home anymore. Separately, I read a comment on...

      I'd never know what depression was. It some time around 32 yrs old I hit these 2-4 weeks where I just didn't give a shit about anything at work or home anymore. Separately, I read a comment on Reddit a few months later that went into this detailed description of how this persone felt that explained this extreme version of apathy, and at the end they were like "anyways, turns out I'm depressed".

      Months and years later, and I still feel it. I still know I'll never feel like I did before. It's like recovering from paralysis. I'll never gain the use of the limb again, but I can still figure out how to live without needing it.

      It's impossible to explain to someone using words about how it feels to not feel anymore, especially when I dont enjoy things I used to enjoy every day. But more than once I've seen people describe something they're having trouble with and just screamed "that's depression! " at my phone

      4 votes
      1. [2]
        first-must-burn
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        I am sorry you are experiencing this. I hope it encourages you know that treatment has made a big difference in how I feel, and most days it is pretty manageable. I am not qualified in any way to...

        I am sorry you are experiencing this. I hope it encourages you know that treatment has made a big difference in how I feel, and most days it is pretty manageable. I am not qualified in any way to counsel anyone, but if you want to talk to me about my experience with treatment, please DM me.

        Nothing I've read has explained the way depression feels (or doesn't feel) as well as Allie Brosh's work, which I have linked below.

        First though, a warning that some of it is pretty bleak and includes frank discussions of suicide. If anyone reading this has thoughts of harming yourself, there is help available by dialing 988 for the Suicide and Crisis hotline

        Click to view more

        The comics I was referring to are:

        It might not be everyone's experience, but it closely mirrored mine. It helped me by giving words to the things I was experiencing. It was like: by someone giving voice to what was happening inside me, I could see part of myself as separable from the depression. It seemed to make it easier (still not easy but easier) to deal with it after that.

        2 votes
        1. bitwaba
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          Yeah, I've read that a few times before and usually go back to it when I start feeling the apathy creeping back up. It's a nice reminder that you're not just some unique person suffering with some...

          Yeah, I've read that a few times before and usually go back to it when I start feeling the apathy creeping back up. It's a nice reminder that you're not just some unique person suffering with some unknown disorder.

          1 vote
    2. Pioneer
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      I've had the brutal swings of depression in my life mate, my wife struggles with it daily. Good luck.

      I've had the brutal swings of depression in my life mate, my wife struggles with it daily.

      Good luck.

      1 vote
  17. [10]
    brogeroni
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    A's attract A's, Bs attract Cs and Ds. if you're not best in class, then the people you attract won't be best in class either. kinda toxic but it's been my motivation not to get stuck as a B worker.

    A's attract A's, Bs attract Cs and Ds.

    if you're not best in class, then the people you attract won't be best in class either.

    kinda toxic but it's been my motivation not to get stuck as a B worker.

    6 votes
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      Deely
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      From my experience it doesn't work like this at all. Personality, mutual interests - thats what attracts one people to another. Sorry, but for me it sounds like some corporate slogan.

      From my experience it doesn't work like this at all.
      Personality, mutual interests - thats what attracts one people to another.
      Sorry, but for me it sounds like some corporate slogan.

      24 votes
      1. [5]
        Requirement
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        Sounds like some man-o-sphere drivel. If you think about it for a moment, if you were attracted to the person who said it, statistically, they are a B, and you, sadly, are at best a B.

        Sounds like some man-o-sphere drivel.

        If you think about it for a moment, if you were attracted to the person who said it, statistically, they are a B, and you, sadly, are at best a B.

        9 votes
        1. [2]
          Sodliddesu
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          I dunno. From a motivational standpoint, I get it. I don't grab the most average person at work for an important project. I grab those I can trust to do the work and do it right. The below average...

          I dunno. From a motivational standpoint, I get it. I don't grab the most average person at work for an important project. I grab those I can trust to do the work and do it right.

          The below average workers (who are cognizant of it) are looking for a 'better' worker to pick up their slack but the top tier workers are aware of their shit by now.

          So, if you're purposely putting in your best, other hard workers will likely recognize and want to collaborate with you on things. If you're just good at what you do but not aware of it, other hangers on will try to gain from that.

          The word attract makes it sound like mating game shit but I think there's a nugget in there.

          Guess that depends on who said it and such though.

          4 votes
          1. Woeps
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            In my experience the people who do the work and do it right start are the average. They don't fuss and are not disillusioned to be rock stars but they are "just" good/excellent at their jobs. So...

            I grab those I can trust to do the work and do it right.

            In my experience the people who do the work and do it right start are the average.
            They don't fuss and are not disillusioned to be rock stars but they are "just" good/excellent at their jobs. So work actually gets done.

            1 vote
        2. brogeroni
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          It was Peter Thiel that said it at a conference.

          It was Peter Thiel that said it at a conference.

        3. Deely
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          Now I completely unsure what means B.

          Now I completely unsure what means B.

    2. EnigmaNL
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      You might be a B worker and not know it because by that logic all the people around you would be B workers too. It's a pretty nonsensical thing to believe though.

      You might be a B worker and not know it because by that logic all the people around you would be B workers too.

      It's a pretty nonsensical thing to believe though.

      19 votes
    3. Lloyd
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      This leads to an elitist, arrogant, and egotistical outlook (which is not cool).

      This leads to an elitist, arrogant, and egotistical outlook (which is not cool).

      2 votes
    4. R1ch
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      I feel similar, if you're the smartest person in the room, you should find a new room.

      I feel similar, if you're the smartest person in the room, you should find a new room.

      1 vote
  18. hamstergeddon
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    Oddly enough "this too shall pass". I know it's the ultimate cliché platitude and I'm not even religious, but it works for me. It taught me to focus on how I feel once the shittiness has passed...

    Oddly enough "this too shall pass". I know it's the ultimate cliché platitude and I'm not even religious, but it works for me. It taught me to focus on how I feel once the shittiness has passed and there's that wave of relief that I've gotten through something. I focus on the feeling of accomplishment once that moments over.

    Doesn't always work, but it has gotten me through quite a few social anxiety moments, rough patches at work, etc.

    5 votes
  19. KneeFingers
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    "People can die if you can't admit you don't know something." This was said by an employee of a company that was attending my University's career fair while giving a presentation in one of my...

    "People can die if you can't admit you don't know something."

    This was said by an employee of a company that was attending my University's career fair while giving a presentation in one of my classes. Prior to switching my major, I was an engineering student at the time and professor had asked this individual for advice he could give us. It was especially relevant in the field of engineering where a failure of a calculation or just trusting authority too much has a very bloody history to back the notion that egos can cost lives. But even now while I am in a more tech-service oriented field, it's still highly applicable though not as grave. Instead refusing to admit you don't know something and "faking it" has a different cost for those who have to do the heavy lifting of making it a reality. It can be in the form of stress, crunch, and employee abuse which in turn can lead to some rather disastrous results like broken systems that are vulnerable to data leaks.

    5 votes
  20. tomatomater
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    About people: "People don't remember you for what you did; they remember you for how you made them feel." About the world: "The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction has to be...

    About people: "People don't remember you for what you did; they remember you for how you made them feel."

    About the world: "The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction has to be believable."

    About business: "If someone looks at what you made and thinks, "this is for me", you have succeeded."

    4 votes
  21. BeanBurrito
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    While my college was closed I went to a weight lifting gym in another town. A gym rat there gave me some advice. I started quibbling with him. He didn't say it flat out, but I picked up from him...

    While my college was closed I went to a weight lifting gym in another town.

    A gym rat there gave me some advice. I started quibbling with him. He didn't say it flat out, but I picked up from him he was taking his time, doing me a favor, and getting a hassle for it.

    I discovered that I had belief below the level of my self awareness that people would always go out of their way to give me advice.

    They do not.

    Giving strangers advice is often thankless.

    From then on I would hear people out, not interrupt, not argue, thank them and quietly not use the advice if it didn't seem good to me.

    4 votes
  22. Halfdan
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    It's eerie, but I'm 45 and I can't think of a single thing.

    It's eerie, but I'm 45 and I can't think of a single thing.

    4 votes
  23. zoroa
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    "I love you" This wasn't from family, and wasn't from a partner. This was in a completely platonic context, from a friend who makes it a point to make sure that people feel appreciated.

    "I love you"

    This wasn't from family, and wasn't from a partner.

    This was in a completely platonic context, from a friend who makes it a point to make sure that people feel appreciated.

    4 votes
  24. Boojum
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    "There are some things one is glad to do, and some things one is glad to have done." I often think on this one when doing something like exercise, or getting a dental cleaning, or mastering...

    "There are some things one is glad to do, and some things one is glad to have done."

    I often think on this one when doing something like exercise, or getting a dental cleaning, or mastering something difficult. When I'm in the middle of a hike up a steep hill, for example, I'll question why I ever decided to torture myself with the climb. But I know from experience that I'll feel fantastic once I've pushed through to the end, and I'll be glad then that I didn't wimp out.

    "Too dumb to fail" or "too stupid to fool".

    I learned this from a computer science professor I worked with in grad school who was a bit of an iconoclast. He was a huge fan of the KISS principle and liked to remind us not to over-engineer things; that fancy, clever techniques tend to be great right up until the moment they suddenly turn brittle and exhibit complex or tricky failure modes, whereas the stupid brute-force solutions will often blissfully keep trudging on. (Sort of a tortoise-and-the-hare thing.)

    4 votes
  25. thermopesos
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    I had a very dear friend pass away when we were 13. Without going into specific detail, his death possibly could have been prevented if I’d taken action. I was torn open for years with regret that...

    I had a very dear friend pass away when we were 13. Without going into specific detail, his death possibly could have been prevented if I’d taken action. I was torn open for years with regret that manifested in deep spiraling depression, a complete lack of self-care, and an absolute absence of hope, joy, or happiness at any given moment. I spoke with four different therapists and spent a cumulative two months in inpatient treatment for depression in the six years following his death. The providers helped pull me out of some of the surface-level sadness, but the core takeaway from the treatment didn’t touch the root cause of my regret; they told me I was too young to fully understand what was going on with my friend, but I knew that wasn’t the case. I was scared for him and realized the severity, but didn’t think it was possible that he would act. I remembered specific instances of teetering action vs. inaction, which meant I was capable of taking preventative steps but I chose not to.

    I decided to try one more therapist who specialized in substance abuse because at this point I was deep in the throws of addiction; he said something that completely changed my outlook. He basically said “Yeah, maybe you could have done something, but you didn’t and that is a fact. But.. What if you made his life better in those last days? What if your friendship is what kept him around for longer than he otherwise would have? What if!?”

    Nothing from the past was changed based on this question, but the therapist gave me a reason to find joy in the last hours, days, and weeks of the relationship with my friend. I became obsessed with this thought, and because of that, I was able to start to see the value of fostering close relationships again. I still struggle with profound regret, but that therapist was able to give me a sense of peace I’d never thought possible.

    4 votes
  26. cdb
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    "No one is coming to save you." A long time ago things were not going so well for me in life, and I was just stagnating waiting for things to get better. Kind of a juvenile attitude but I guess I...

    "No one is coming to save you."

    A long time ago things were not going so well for me in life, and I was just stagnating waiting for things to get better. Kind of a juvenile attitude but I guess I was just waiting for something to trigger a change in me, like what happens in the movies. In fairness, I was half raised by TV. The quote sounds kind of pessimistic, but hearing this helped me to get on the path to taking more responsibility for my direction in life. That's not to say that people don't need help to succeed in life, but you have to at least be the project manager of yourself. If I want some part of my life to be better, chances are, it can be better if I do something about it. Wishing I had been born with more talent or a different upbringing or that some magical opportunity will fall into my lap isn't going to help me now.

    3 votes
  27. [2]
    scherlock
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    "Every expert was at first a beginner. " "A bad first decision is better than no decision."

    "Every expert was at first a beginner. "

    "A bad first decision is better than no decision."

    2 votes
    1. shrike
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      This is something I live by. Any movement is better than no movement. If your job is writing code and you've hit a creative slump in your work project, open up any of your 42 incomplete personal...

      "A bad first decision is better than no decision."

      This is something I live by. Any movement is better than no movement.

      If your job is writing code and you've hit a creative slump in your work project, open up any of your 42 incomplete personal projects and spend an hour with it. Writing any code usually helps me to get out of a rut.

      Also if people are stuck in analysis paralysis deciding between multiple options, try to get them to choose one of them, any one and get people moving to that direction. You can check later if that was the right or wrong direction and change course again. You'll know more about where you are after you've moved.

      It's like if you're trying to navigate, it's impossible to find out where you are with a single datapoint and thinking really hard. You need to move around to get your bearings.

      Joel Spolsky wrote about this 21 years ago (fuck I'm old): https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2002/01/06/fire-and-motion/

      It took me another fifteen years to realize that the principle of Fire and Motion is how you get things done in life. You have to move forward a little bit, every day. It doesn’t matter if your code is lame and buggy and nobody wants it. If you are moving forward, writing code and fixing bugs constantly, time is on your side.

      2 votes
  28. diazc
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    Some time ago I read on a Reddit thread about food going to waste someone wrote "...Nothing matters. Take the food." and that stuck with me ever since, almost turning into a life motto. It helps...

    Some time ago I read on a Reddit thread about food going to waste someone wrote "...Nothing matters. Take the food." and that stuck with me ever since, almost turning into a life motto. It helps remember how much thought we put into everything when, most of the time, just doing the right thing is easy and there's only fake restrictions to prevent us from doing what is right.

    2 votes
  29. worldasis
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    I have a few memorable quotes from older friends over the last few years. Not all good advice, but memorable. I was sitting on my neighbors porch drinking my morning coffee when he pulled up. My...

    I have a few memorable quotes from older friends over the last few years. Not all good advice, but memorable.

    I was sitting on my neighbors porch drinking my morning coffee when he pulled up. My neighbor is an old one eyed cowboy who's lived a very rough life. As he walked by me into the house he said, "world, don't ever get old. It's the worst. In fact, you should probably commit sucie by 50." I told this to some other aging friends who know him, and one of them responded with, "well, what's HE waiting for?"

    Another one by the same friend who responded with contempt to my neighbors quote had a wonderful quip, "if communication was a gaping abyss, he would not fall in."

    And last but not least, and probably actually helpful is my retired doctor friend saying, "everyone is just trying to have a navigable day."

    The last one I really try to keep in mind.

    1 vote
  30. pedantzilla
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    I still remember the sentiment, if not the actual wording, of a character from an old Glen Ford western I caught on TV many years ago: the character was a successful Chicago businessman talking to...

    I still remember the sentiment, if not the actual wording, of a character from an old Glen Ford western I caught on TV many years ago: the character was a successful Chicago businessman talking to Ford's cowboy character, and he said something along the lines of "People think I have a higher rate of success than most people, but that's not true - I just try many more things than most people, so I have more successes than most. But I also have more failures."

    1 vote
  31. shadow
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    "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should." Said by my college advisor when I was ready to go off into the world. Talking about how building some hypothetical amazing machine that would be a...

    "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should."

    Said by my college advisor when I was ready to go off into the world. Talking about how building some hypothetical amazing machine that would be a technical marvel, but would kill random people. Or stealing something from a store.

    Kept me from getting in trouble and helped me start building my moral code.

    1 vote
  32. Mendanbar
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    "The most important step a person can take is always the next one" It's a quote from book 3 of the Stormlight archive series by Brandon Sanderson. I highly recommend Sanderson BTW. Fantastic...

    "The most important step a person can take is always the next one"
    It's a quote from book 3 of the Stormlight archive series by Brandon Sanderson.

    I highly recommend Sanderson BTW. Fantastic author and world builder.

    I'll paste the full context below, but it basically gets at the point that momentum, or "the next step" is far more important than the first step in a journey, because it's the one that continues to carry you to your goal.

    Bigger quote:
    "The most important words a man can say are, “I will do better.” These are not the most important words any man can say. I am a man, and they are what I needed to say.

    The ancient code of the Knights Radiant says “journey before destination.” Some may call it a simple platitude, but it is far more. A journey will have pain and failure. It is not only the steps forward that we must accept. It is the stumbles. The trials. The knowledge that we will fail. That we will hurt those around us.

    But if we stop, if we accept the person we are when we fall, the journey ends. That failure becomes our destination. To love the journey is to accept no such end. I have found, through painful experience, that the most important step a person can take is always the next one"

  33. bkimmel
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    "Life is a buffet: Help yourself."

    "Life is a buffet: Help yourself."