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Weekly Middle East war megathread - week of November 11
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Weekly Middle East war megathread - week of November 4
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Weekly Middle East war megathread - week of October 28
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Weekly Middle East war megathread - week of October 14
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Weekly Middle East war megathread - week of October 7
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Weekly Israel-Hamas war megathread - week of September 30
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A year after the Oct. 7 Hamas attacks on Israel, four Americans are still being held hostage
11 votes -
Hamas was created and supported by Israel to oppose the seculars, divide Palestinians, and destroy the two-state solution
This is a historical analysis of the subject, as such, it deserves its own topic. I'm using several sources. By using different sources of good to high quality, my aim is to create a historical...
This is a historical analysis of the subject, as such, it deserves its own topic. I'm using several sources. By using different sources of good to high quality, my aim is to create a historical explanation based on convergence of evidence—the idea that difference sources supporting the argument makes for a much more robust case.
I quote the passages I deem most relevant. Also, in order to boost credibility, I give a Media Bias/Fact Check profile about factuality of the each main source.
The Japan Times — Israel's historical role in the rise of Hamas
MB/FC Profile — Factual Reporting: High
The international focus on the war in Gaza has helped obscure the fact that Israel in the 1980s aided the rise of the Islamist Hamas as a rival to the secular Palestinian Liberation Organization and its dominant faction, Yasser Arafat’s Fatah. Israel’s policy was clearly influenced by the U.S. training and arming of mujahideen (or Islamic holy warriors) in Pakistan from multiple countries to wage jihad against Soviet forces in Afghanistan.
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Hamas, for its part, is alleged to have emerged out of the Israeli-financed Islamist movement in Gaza, with Israel’s then-military governor in that territory, Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev, disclosing in 1981 that he had been given a budget for funding Palestinian Islamists to counter the rising power of Palestinian secularists. Hamas, a spin-off of the Palestinian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood, was formally established with Israel’s support soon after the first Intifada flared in 1987 as an uprising against the Israeli occupation of Palestinian lands.
Israel’s objective was twofold: to split the nationalist Palestinian movement led by Arafat and, more fundamentally, to thwart the implementation of the two-state solution for resolving the protracted Israeli-Palestinian conflict. By aiding the rise of an Islamist group whose charter rejected recognizing the Israeli state, Israel sought to undermine the idea of a two-state solution, including curbing Western support for an independent Palestinian homeland.
Israel’s spy agency Mossad played a role in this divide-and-rule game in the occupied territories. In a 1994 book, “The Other Side of Deception,” Mossad whistleblower Victor Ostrovsky contended that aiding Hamas meshed with “Mossad’s general plan” for an Arab world “run by fundamentalists” that would reject “any negotiations with the West,” thereby leaving Israel as “the only democratic, rational country in the region.” Avner Cohen, a former Israeli religious affairs official involved in Gaza for over two decades, told a newspaper interviewer in 2009 that, “Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel’s creation.”
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Israel, by contrast, persisted with its covert nexus with Hamas. With the consent of Israel, Qatar, a longtime sponsor of jihadi groups, funneled $1.8 billion to Hamas just between 2012 and 2021, according to the Haaretz newspaper.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who has been in power for much of the past decade and a half, told a meeting of his Likud Party’s Knesset members in 2019 that, “Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas,” adding, “This is part of our strategy — to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank.”
The Intercept — Blowback: How Israel Went From Helping Create Hamas to Bombing It
MB/FC Profile — Factual Reporting: Mostly Factual
But did you also know that Hamas — which is an Arabic acronym for “Islamic Resistance Movement” — would probably not exist today were it not for the Jewish state? That the Israelis helped turn a bunch of fringe Palestinian Islamists in the late 1970s into one of the world’s most notorious militant groups? That Hamas is blowback?
This isn’t a conspiracy theory. Listen to former Israeli officials such as Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev, who was the Israeli military governor in Gaza in the early 1980s. Segev later told a New York Times reporter that he had helped finance the Palestinian Islamist movement as a “counterweight” to the secularists and leftists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Fatah party, led by Yasser Arafat (who himself referred to Hamas as “a creature of Israel.”)
“The Israeli government gave me a budget,” the retired brigadier general confessed, “and the military government gives to the mosques.”
“Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel’s creation,” Avner Cohen, a former Israeli religious affairs official who worked in Gaza for more than two decades, told the Wall Street Journal in 2009. Back in the mid-1980s, Cohen even wrote an official report to his superiors warning them not to play divide-and-rule in the Occupied Territories, by backing Palestinian Islamists against Palestinian secularists. “I … suggest focusing our efforts on finding ways to break up this monster before this reality jumps in our face,” he wrote.
They didn’t listen to him. And Hamas, as I explain in the fifth installment of my short film series for The Intercept on blowback, was the result. To be clear: First, the Israelis helped build up a militant strain of Palestinian political Islam, in the form of Hamas and its Muslim Brotherhood precursors; then, the Israelis switched tack and tried to bomb, besiege, and blockade it out of existence.
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“When I look back at the chain of events, I think we made a mistake,” David Hacham, a former Arab affairs expert in the Israeli military who was based in Gaza in the 1980s, later remarked. “But at the time, nobody thought about the possible results.”
The Times of Israel — For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces
MB/FC Profile — Factual Reporting: High
For years, the various governments led by Benjamin Netanyahu took an approach that divided power between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank — bringing Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas to his knees while making moves that propped up the Hamas terror group.
The idea was to prevent Abbas — or anyone else in the Palestinian Authority’s West Bank government — from advancing toward the establishment of a Palestinian state.
Thus, amid this bid to impair Abbas, Hamas was upgraded from a mere terror group to an organization with which Israel held indirect negotiations via Egypt, and one that was allowed to receive infusions of cash from abroad.
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Most of the time, Israeli policy was to treat the Palestinian Authority as a burden and Hamas as an asset. Far-right MK Bezalel Smotrich, now the finance minister in the hardline government and leader of the Religious Zionism party, said so himself in 2015.
According to various reports, Netanyahu made a similar point at a Likud faction meeting in early 2019, when he was quoted as saying that those who oppose a Palestinian state should support the transfer of funds to Gaza, because maintaining the separation between the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza would prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state.
While Netanyahu does not make these kind of statements publicly or officially, his words are in line with the policy that he implemented.
The same messaging was repeated by right-wing commentators, who may have received briefings on the matter or talked to Likud higher-ups and understood the message.
Reuters — EU's Borrell says Israel financed creation of Gaza rulers Hamas
MB/FC Profile — Factual Reporting: Very High
EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrell said on Friday that Israel had financed the creation of Palestinian militant group Hamas, publicly contradicting Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu who has denied such allegations.
Opponents of the Israeli government and some global media have accused Natanyahu governments of boosting Gaza rulers Hamas for years, including by allowing Qatari financing of Gaza.
"Yes, Hamas was financed by the government of Israel in an attempt to weaken the Palestinian Authority led by Fatah," Borrell said in a speech in the University of Valladolid in Spain without elaborating.
45 votes -
Weekly Israel-Hamas war megathread - week of September 23
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Weekly Israel-Hamas war megathread - week of September 16
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16 votes -
An Israeli and a Palestinian discuss 7 October, Gaza – and the future
8 votes -
Weekly Israel-Hamas war megathread - week of September 9
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7 votes -
Weekly Israel-Hamas war megathread - week of September 2
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15 votes -
Digital apartheid in Gaza: Big Tech must reveal their roles in tech used in human rights abuses
22 votes -
Weekly Israel-Hamas war megathread - week of August 26
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Weekly Israel-Hamas war megathread - week of August 19
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10 votes -
What is the motivation to keep sending Benajmin Netanyahu military aide while the Gaza crisis continues?
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To my question.
Netanyahu has been killing people with no means of defense.
What is President Biden's motivation to keep sending military aide to Israel while Netanyahu continues to do this?
I have a few guesses, but none of them on their own or together seems to justify the political or humanitarian costs:
- Somehow it is in the geopolitical interest of the U.S. to do so
- Israel would be destroyed without military aide ( but defensive weapons can still be sent )
- The U.S. benefits from Israeli intelligence
- Congressional republicans aligned with Christian Nationlists want to see Israel live out a Biblical prophesy and it would cost President Biden politically if he were to push a decrease in military aide - assuming he could.
- President Biden might have lost Jewish American votes, BUT Jews are a minority in America and many American Jews are against what Netanyahu is doing.
Those are the possibilities I could come up with. Am I missing anything? All of these possibilities together do not seem to be worth the political cost President Biden incurred. Is there something I missed?
23 votes -
Digital apartheid in Gaza: Unjust content moderation at the request of Israel’s cyber unit
14 votes -
Weekly Israel-Hamas war megathread - week of August 12
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10 votes -
Weekly Israel-Hamas war megathread - week of August 5
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13 votes -
German court due to rule on ‘from the river to the sea’ case in test of free speech
18 votes -
Weekly Israel-Hamas war megathread - week of July 29
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16 votes -
Weekly Israel-Hamas war megathread - week of July 22
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9 votes -
Weekly Israel-Hamas war megathread - week of July 15
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7 votes -
Weekly Israel-Hamas war megathread - week of July 8
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20 votes -
Weekly Israel-Hamas war megathread - week of July 1
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8 votes -
Weekly Israel-Hamas war megathread - week of June 24
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6 votes -
Weekly Israel-Hamas war megathread - week of June 17
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6 votes -
Weekly Israel-Hamas war megathread - week of June 10
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13 votes -
Weekly Gaza megathread - week of June 3
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9 votes -
US President Joe Biden outlines Israeli proposal for Gaza cease-fire deal
23 votes -
Weekly Israel-Hamas war megathread - week of May 27
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16 votes -
Weekly Israel-Hamas war megathread - week of May 20
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19 votes -
Weekly Israel-Hamas war megathread - week of May 13
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18 votes -
Weekly Israel-Hamas war megathread - week of May 6
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18 votes -
[Columbia University president] Minouche Shafik: Universities must engage in serious soul searching on protests
4 votes -
Weekly Israel-Hamas war megathread - week of April 29
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14 votes -
Security is being tightened for the Eurovision Song Contest in Sweden's third city Malmö, with large demonstrations planned to coincide with the event
7 votes -
Protesters unaffiliated with CCNY, Columbia made up nearly half of arrests: police
23 votes -
More than 2,000 pro-Palestinian protesters arrested across US campuses
49 votes -
Students at Brown just secured a vote on divestment. What happens next?
24 votes -
At least thirty protesters arrested during pro-Palestinian protest at UT Austin
52 votes -
Organizers of Eurovision Song Contest ready to remove Palestinian flags and pro-Palestinian symbols at the show next week in Sweden
6 votes -
The state as blunt force - impressions of the Columbia campus clearance
11 votes -
The youth need your help
21 votes -
Student revolt and the curtailing of critical speech
19 votes -
Weekly Israel-Hamas war megathread - week of April 22
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Weekly Israel-Hamas war megathread - week of April 15
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5 votes