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2 votes
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Atlético's Hitman bursts from Spider's shadow – Diego Simeone summons Alexander Sørloth from the bench to finish off anyone daring to hold up his title charge
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Mörmaid – Wet Summer (2024)
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A Helicopter In My Cable Modem
I bought a cable modem off of eBay. I have contacted the seller. When I turn it on it sounds like I am listening to a helicopter at low volume. Thumping noises. I DDGed. It isn't electronic...
I bought a cable modem off of eBay. I have contacted the seller.
When I turn it on it sounds like I am listening to a helicopter at low volume. Thumping noises.
I DDGed. It isn't electronic interference. It is on the same spot of my desk that my old cable modem was on.
I'm not sure I can open it or not, but the case has many holes. I may try running the hose attachment from my vacuum cleaner over it to try to get dust out.
Anything else I can try?
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Tildes Demographics Survey, year… uh, it’s 2024?
116 votes -
Transparent bamboo: A fireproof and waterproof alternative to glass
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Tildes End-of-Year 'Awards' 2024
Happy end of year, everyone! I saw a comment today on Tildes that reminded me of a type of thread that I really enjoyed back on Reddit: end-of-year awards. Those were typically in individual...
Happy end of year, everyone!
I saw a comment today on Tildes that reminded me of a type of thread that I really enjoyed back on Reddit: end-of-year awards. Those were typically in individual subreddits and involved a lot of specifics and inside jokes related to that community, but I think Tildes is a small enough place where we could do one site-wide. (Full disclosure, I am not sure if this is a great idea and am open to any and all suggestions.)
Brief explanation:
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For starters, there are no actual awards to give out, sorry. Just some pats on the back and maybe some street cred to go with it.
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The purpose of the thread is mostly to highlight cool, helpful, and interesting things or users you've seen here on Tildes in the last year. This thread is hopefully a gateway to those interesting posts/comments/discussions that you might have missed.
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Top-level comments should be an award category (for example: Most Interesting Thread, Best Discussion, Most Helpful Comment, Funniest Joke, Most Helpful User, Best Prediction, Favorite Recurring Thread, etc.) Note that none of these examples are negative because again the goal of this thread is to highlight awesome stuff that others might have missed over the last 12 months.
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Responses to those top-level comments should be the actual nominations, preferably with a link to said comment/thread, and a quick explanation as to why you think it deserves recognition.
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Upvotes serve as the votes for each category, though I encourage you to vote for as many nominees as you'd like since the awards aren't real and the points don't matter.
That's pretty much it. I'll post a few comments as examples, but hopefully it should be pretty straight-forward. Feel free to add your own award categories, and please nominate as many users/comments/threads as you'd like!
If this thread helps at least one person discover a helpful thread from 6 months ago that they might have missed, then I'll consider it a success.
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German authorities find large chat groups focused on exchanging advice re how to effectively drug and rape women
25 votes -
Career advice for new tech workers in 2025
19 votes -
Two US Navy pilots shot down over Red Sea in apparent ‘friendly fire’ incident, US military says
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Day 23: LAN Party
Today's problem description: https://adventofcode.com/2024/day/23 Please post your solutions in your own top-level comment. Here's a template you can copy-paste into your comment to format it...
Today's problem description: https://adventofcode.com/2024/day/23
Please post your solutions in your own top-level comment. Here's a template you can copy-paste into your comment to format it nicely, with the code collapsed by default inside an expandable section with syntax highlighting (you can replace
python
with any of the "short names" listed in this page of supported languages):<details> <summary>Part 1</summary> ```python Your code here. ``` </details>
7 votes -
What have you been eating, drinking, and cooking?
What food and drinks have you been enjoying (or not enjoying) recently? Have you cooked or created anything interesting? Tell us about it!
5 votes -
Bluesky's growing pains
18 votes -
Keeping Everquest alive twenty-five years later
10 votes -
o3 - wow
16 votes -
What happened to the world's largest tube TV/CRT?
21 votes -
US government report - The cost of anticompetitive pricing algorithms in rental housing
19 votes -
Your theme for 2025
8 votes -
How an apple from a rejected tree became the Honeycrisp
26 votes -
What does it mean to you to be a human?
👽
21 votes -
Armageddon MUD is closing after thirty-four years
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What games have you been playing, and what's your opinion on them?
What have you been playing lately? Discussion about video games and board games are both welcome. Please don't just make a list of titles, give some thoughts about the game(s) as well.
32 votes -
Two-time winner Gary Anderson endured a birthday to forget as he crashed out of the PDC World Darts Championship following a shock second-round defeat by Jeffrey de Graaf
2 votes -
Journal that published faulty black plastic study removed from science index
39 votes -
Louisiana forbids public health workers from promoting COVID, flu and mpox shots
32 votes -
Setting the record straight on Ukraine’s grain exports
8 votes -
Tildes Minecraft Survival Weekly
New Thread Server host: tildes.nore.gg (Running Java 1.21.1) Dynmap: https://tildes.nore.gg Playtime Tracker: https://tildes.nore.gg/playtimes.html Tildes website extension (shows online status &...
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Server host:
tildes.nore.gg
(Running Java 1.21.1)
Dynmap: https://tildes.nore.gg
Playtime Tracker: https://tildes.nore.gg/playtimes.html
Tildes website extension (shows online status & location): Firefox (Desktop and Android) - Chrome
Verification site: https://verify.tildes.nore.gg
Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/TildesMCPlugins and Data Packs
Data Packs:- Terralith - Overworld terrain upgrade
- Nullscape - End terrain upgrade
- Armor Statues [Vanilla Tweaks]
- Bat Membranes [Vanilla Tweaks]
- Cauldron Concrete [Vanilla Tweaks]
- Husks Drop Sand [Vanilla Tweaks]
- Mini Blocks [Vanilla Tweaks]
- More Mob Heads [Vanilla Tweaks]
- Player Head Drops [Vanilla Tweaks]
- Silence Mobs [Vanilla Tweaks]
- Wandering Trades [Vanilla Tweaks]
Plugins:
- Clickable Links - Makes http URLs in chat clickable (only for registered players)
- CoreProtect - Records all block/container/mob changes (Anyone can look up changes with
/co inspect
) - Dynmap - Adds a live web map
- EasyArmorStands - GUI for editing armor stands
- Hexnicks - Enables Tildes usernames to be displayed
- LuckPerms - Locks down unregistered users
- Nerfstick - Allows survival use of the
minecraft:debug_stick
item (requires admin to spawn in) - Rapid Leaf Decay - Increases the speed of leaf decay by 10x
- WorldEdit - Used for occasional admin stuff
- WorldGuard - Prevents unregistered users from changing anything in the world
The server operates on a soft whitelist. Anyone can log in and walk around, but you need a Tildes account to gain build access.
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Weekly thread for casual chat and photos of pets
This is the place for casual discussion about our pets. Photos are welcome, show us your pet(s) and tell us about them!
6 votes -
Steam Winter Sale 2024: Hidden gems
Inspired by the recurring topic every Steam sale over at /r/GameDealsMeta: What are some lesser-known Steam games that you recommend? Are there any genres you’d like hidden gem recommendations...
Inspired by the recurring topic every Steam sale over at /r/GameDealsMeta:
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What are some lesser-known Steam games that you recommend?
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Are there any genres you’d like hidden gem recommendations for?
If you're interested in previous Hidden Gem topics, you can find them here.
For popular recommendations and general purpose sale discussion, please use the main Steam Sale topic.
Optional: Feel free to categorize your recommendations by number of reviews (as a proxy for popularity)
Category Maximum Review Count Shockingly Overlooked 20 Under the Radar 50 Buried Treasure 150 Underrated Great 500 Cult Classic 1000 Gem Graduate 1000+ 46 votes -
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Abyssus | Announcement trailer
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Watch as Scott Bradlee, the mastermind behind Postmodern Jukebox, hears My Chemical Romance's "Helena" for the first time and transforms it into a captivating new genre: Emo Ragtime
12 votes -
The Ukrainian naval war (2024) - Armed drones, exports and the battle for the Black Sea
7 votes -
Tildes Book Club 2024 retrospective
Hey folks, Since we're not reading a book this month, I thought it might be nice to have a short retrospective of the last year instead. As some of you may know, the book club originally started...
Hey folks,
Since we're not reading a book this month, I thought it might be nice to have a short retrospective of the last year instead.
As some of you may know, the book club originally started back in 2023 with a "pop-up event" hosted by @cfabbro. We read Roadside Picnic after a few users expressed interest in the title. The discussion had some great comments, and that helped lay the groundwork for making the book club a regular feature.
A few months later, @boxer_dogs_dance kicked the book club off proper in January 2024 with the first nomination thread. Cloud Atlas was selected based on voter interest and ideal library wait times. Despite being a difficult first book, participation was still high and has remained so for each month thereafter.
Boxer has since organized numerous nomination and voting threads, helped establish our format and rules, and has created many discussion prompts for each book. Huge thanks to you for the efforts, @boxer_dogs_dance!
Onto some stats for 2024:
- Books Read: 9
- Total Pages: 3,277 (average of 364 per book)
- Unique Contributors: 59 (or 140 total, when counting returning participants)
- Total Comments: 476 (across 121 top-level threads)
- Nominations Submitted: 102
- Votes Cast: 508
- Repeat Nominations: 11 titles were nominated twice, and 6 were eventually chosen. Perseverance pays off!
The list of past discussions can be found here:
- March: Cloud Atlas
- April: Piranesi
- May: The Dispossessed
- June: Project Hail Mary
- July: Ocean at the End of the Lane
- Aug: Small Gods
- Sep: This is How You Lose the Time War
- Oct: Kindred
- Nov: The City We Became
A big thank you to all who have participated, helped organize, commented, or quietly read along! You folks are what make the Tildes community so great.
So just to be clear, this isn't a nomination thread or an official post. I just thought it might be nice to look back, recap our progress, and maybe touch on some of the best picks from the last year.
What were your favourite reads from this past year? What are you looking forward to most in 2025?
See you all in January when we kick off 2025 with Kim Stanley Robinson's Ministry for the Future!
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Day 21: Keypad Conundrum
Today's problem description: https://adventofcode.com/2024/day/21 Please post your solutions in your own top-level comment. Here's a template you can copy-paste into your comment to format it...
Today's problem description: https://adventofcode.com/2024/day/21
Please post your solutions in your own top-level comment. Here's a template you can copy-paste into your comment to format it nicely, with the code collapsed by default inside an expandable section with syntax highlighting (you can replace
python
with any of the "short names" listed in this page of supported languages):<details> <summary>Part 1</summary> ```python Your code here. ``` </details>
5 votes -
How to make friends as an adult
31 votes -
What are your Christmas movies?
We are halfway to Christmas, so I want to hear about peoples movie related Christmas traditions and favorites. I know many people have a certain movie or movies they have to watch every Christmas,...
We are halfway to Christmas, so I want to hear about peoples movie related Christmas traditions and favorites. I know many people have a certain movie or movies they have to watch every Christmas, or maybe just a favorite Christmas themed movie that means something special. Perhaps something completely non-Christmasy but just something you happen to enjoy rewatching every December.
Do you like the classics such as It's a Wonderful Life or Miracle on 34th Street?
Do you laugh at the burglars in Home Alone every Christmas?
Action movies with a Christmas element like Lethal Weapon and Die Hard?
Or perhaps completely new favorites like The Holdovers?
Perhaps just whatever is being rerun for the 100th time on tv? Which apparently is Love Actually here...
30 votes -
Sionic Energy unveils 100% silicon anode battery with high energy density
10 votes -
Listen to Orson Welles' presentation of Charles Dicken's "A Christmas Carol"
7 votes -
After twelve years of writing about bitcoin, here's how my thinking has changed
17 votes -
Willow - Google's latest quantum chip
13 votes -
Sudan's biggest refugee camp was already struck with famine. Now it's being shelled.
15 votes -
Car drives into people on Christmas market in Germany – death toll rises to four with more than 205 injured
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Why I am pursuing a life, professionally and personally, of Christian Virtue
I promised @chocobean that I would talk about my recent turn to Christianity, so here goes. The short, trite answer is that I’m taking a leap of faith on a few mystical experiences, and because...
I promised @chocobean that I would talk about my recent turn to Christianity, so here goes.
The short, trite answer is that I’m taking a leap of faith on a few mystical experiences, and because I’ve run out of spiritual options. Everything else I have tried to do with my life has come up short. A lot of this outcome results from a traumatic early childhood formed, perhaps ironically, in part from Christian religious abuse. In some way perhaps I am trying to synthesize and re-narrate that experience. But also, I really want to go to a Church that is fun, fulfilling, challenging, and does progressive good in the world. There just ain’t a lot of those to choose from, so I figure I need to start my own. For a little more detail, read on. You can skip to the last two paragraphs for a little more reasoned “why Christianity here and now,” independent of my experience.
I was born into a fundamentalist family. Lots of rules, hell, purity, that sort of thing. Very traumatic, and I mean clinical trauma. I left the church in high school thanks to drugs and some smart people, but I maintained a kind of love affair (infatuation?) with good preaching. Something deep inside me responds to the gospel message. I cry when I listen to Jesus Christ Superstar, and a passionate preacher with a good heart, and great gospel music. This is likely tied to suffering-religion at its best helps us grieve and carry on, find joy in a broken world.
One time in college, after a psychedelic party, I found myself unable to sleep, a common side effect I experienced from LSD. I turned on the local gospel station, and suddenly was struck with the urge to go to church. This was black folks gospel, and so I wanted to go to a black church. There was one I knew about, and I have no idea how it was in my consciousness. It was called Life Community Church in Durham, NC. I put on my best suit, tied my tie, and with dilated eyes and doughy disposition I set off. I arrived at precisely 10:30, the service time identified on the marquee.
You may be familiar with black folks time, which is often most evident at church. Black folks time is about moving when the spirit moves you. When I arrived, on white folks time, the church was half-full. It met in an old movie theater, the kind with hundreds of seats. I was ushered to a seat, which was basically the next available seat, they were filled sequentially from the front. This was different from other churches I attended, where members generally seat themselves in their customary location, a respectful distance from others.
There was a large, energetic gospel ensemble delivering the real gospel goods. Large choir, lots of electric instruments, percussion. Everybody dressed better than I was. And I did my best to keep up, clapping hands and shouting and grinning. I was all in.
After a while, the pastor came on stage, a 6’8 Nigerian native. He made a few comments, and invited us to pass the peace. In a white church, this takes a couple minutes, and you politely smile and shake the hands of the people around you. At Life Community, however, everybody left their seats and wandered around giving hugs and smiles and lots of time to each other. No idea how long we were at that, but I did notice that space was now standing room only.
Then the preacher was joined by his 5’4 (at most) Guatemalan wife, who greeted us cheerfully before the pastor began his sermon. It was all mostly about leading a decent life, strong families, moderation, godliness, fairly conservative socially. I was riveted to every word, I clapped and shouted and prayed.
When everything was finally over, and I had been repeatedly and warmly welcomed and invited to come back, I finally made it to my car and noted the time: 3:30 p.m.! And I knew then, this was what I wanted to do with my life-bring this kind of joy, and be a channel of this kind of power.I didn’t have any real religion then, however, wrongly thinking that was some kind of requirement, and so I left the dream on the table. I went on to become a drug addict, get clean, get married, have kids and begin life as a lawyer.
When the kids started to get mobile, their mom and I decided we ought to go to church, that it would be good for the kids morals, provide community, that sort of thing. I was buddhist/atheist/soft new age, not really in on the Jesus thing, but it seemed right. We found a church with a great garden out front and a pride sticker on the door, and headed in. Compared to Life Community Church, the preaching was good, but not as passionate, though the message more closely aligned with my values.
The best part of the experience was Sunday school, however, and I even taught a couple classes, really enjoyed doing the bible study part of it. I started paying more attention and getting more involved. We brought in Nadia Bolz-Weber as guest preacher one Sunday. Nadia is a powerful preacher, and her work in Colorado was very promising for a time. While she was preaching, I had a mystical experience, a feeling of lightness and an urgent awareness that I should be up there doing that same thing. My (now Ex) wife was surprisingly into the idea, and so were the pastors. I went and toured a seminary in pursuit of the call. But at the seminary I was like, there is no way I can spend three years with these people, and I still wasn’t really a believer, so I let the moment pass. It’s one of the few regrets I have in life, following the call then may have led to my marriage having a very different outcome. Alas for life choices.
Come forward a few years, the marriage has dissolved bitterly, I have come out of denial about how awful my childhood was and how dysfunction of a human I had become, and how much my kids suffered as a result. Among my many ongoing efforts to remedy this, I found myself at a spiritual retreat in what is known in some circles (mainly Quaker) as a “Clearness Committee.” It’s a space where someone with some kind of intractable problem becomes the subject of a conclave of caring folks. I was there to figure out career transition. There were some q and a, some breathwork, and in the middle of a silent spot someone asked the shockingly straightforward question, “what do you really want to do?”
The answer in my mind was immediately, “I want to preach.” And almost as immediately, a voice came into mind “you can’t do that,” coupled with a profound fear of saying so out loud. I knew from previous spiritual work this was a sign that I should immediately take the contrary action, and so spoke it out.
Now, this was not a Christian gathering, but as it happened, the person who asked the question was a Christian pastor, and she gave me some names and numbers of people to talk to. As it also happened, she used to work for a guy in my current Church, who, as it further happened, was the past president of a prestigious divinity school. This was my favorite guy in Church, and so I talked to him, and here we are. A lot of yes all in a row.
So, it’s really a gamble on a set of experiences I don’t fully understand about a God I barely believe in. But I knew almost instantly as soon as I arrived in divinity school that I was doing the right thing. I still don’t believe, but I have made a decision to act in faith anyway. From an intellectual point of view, I have a strong impulse to do something, anything, to try and bring some goodness to the world. And since, in my estimation, for better or worse, America is a Christian nation, it seems Church could be an effective vehicle for that. Plus, I really do want to be a preacher.
I was about to end there because it sounded cool, but I want to say a little more about why Christianity might be especially good for my values, and for the West. More than just custom and tradition, I’m discovering that a lot of the way I think about the existence of the world is really Christian in nature. Most intellectuals since the 18th century or so would point to Plato, or more recently, to chaos as the proper way to order a mind. But in practice, most people are espousing a neo-Platonist Christian kind of justice and morality. In a super short sentence, this is that creation and humanity were made for each other. Ten years ago I would have said, and a large part of me still believes, the truth is more a kind of Manifestatum ex Chao of both together, and perhaps there is nothing particularly special about humanity. However, most people, practically at least, seem to recognize that rational ordering exists uniquely in the human mind alongside a more programmatic animal nature. They also seem to believe in the notion of goodness. Many humanists argue that we can be “good without God,” however, as far as I can tell they arguing about a goodness which is derived from Christian scholarship (love your neighbor). Even if I’m wrong on that, and/or they are right about the uselessness of God for good, most people in the way they act suggest an assumption that true compassion flows from the Christian God. As a result, I think the best way to foment good for most people here where I am geographically is within the Christian religious framework.
Finally, I’m partial to the notion of classical (medieval?) professionalism: a professional is one who professes a noble principle, i.e. clergy profess goodness, educators profess truth, military officers, peace, lawyers, justice, physicians, health, and artists, beauty.
47 votes -
Molina feat. ML Buch – Organs (2024)
5 votes -
What are some professions, crafts, competitions, or activities in which being older is considered advantageous?
That is just a general random question by me, nothing to do with the fact that I am getting older. That is just a coincidence!
17 votes -
Day 22: Monkey Market
Today's problem description: https://adventofcode.com/2024/day/22 Please post your solutions in your own top-level comment. Here's a template you can copy-paste into your comment to format it...
Today's problem description: https://adventofcode.com/2024/day/22
Please post your solutions in your own top-level comment. Here's a template you can copy-paste into your comment to format it nicely, with the code collapsed by default inside an expandable section with syntax highlighting (you can replace
python
with any of the "short names" listed in this page of supported languages):<details> <summary>Part 1</summary> ```python Your code here. ``` </details>
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What are your favorite special kitchen ingredients?
I’m looking to explore a bit so i’d love to hear your thoughts. These are the items that make my kitchen special. I mainly cook Asian style food (Chinese, Japanese), so my ingredients trend in...
I’m looking to explore a bit so i’d love to hear your thoughts. These are the items that make my kitchen special. I mainly cook Asian style food (Chinese, Japanese), so my ingredients trend in that direction. This is a combination of ingredients, condiments, and even snacks that bring joy to me.
If there’s a particular special brand that you think is extra special, i’d love to hear it too!
- Mirin (in Toronto there is a small store that makes homemade mirin)
- Yuzu ponzu sauce (same supplier)
- Furikake / shichimi
- Korean seasoned salt
- Perilla Oil (an amazing nuttier substitute to sesame oil) - great on subtle dishes like zaru soba
- Szechuan peppercorns - amazing to put into the mortar with other aromatics
- Chinese cured pork belly - wow how immensely flavorful - I like the five spice one. Small cubes makes fried rice sing
- Oyster sauce (two ladies LKK not panda LKK)
- Nem Chua
- Good butter (Kerrygold or St Brigid)
- Sambal Oelek
- Pandan leaves and frozen chopped lemongrass
- Maldon salt
- Frozen cheap chocolate squares (Swiss Delice)
- Lao Gan Ma black bean chili crisp
- Salted yolk potato chips, Honey Butter chips
- Korean seaweed sheets for stock along with the little anchovies
- Frozen unshelled clam meat - just throw a handful into anything like pasta or stir fries. So cheap and so good!
- Chinese cooking wine
- Perilla leaves (gganib)
- when I can find them, Alphonso, Kesar, or Colombian Sugar Mangos
- Concord or Muscat grapes
- fatty Biltong (Florence meats is best)
- wavy soba (for some reason I like the mouth feel)
- frozen special handmade ramen
- Calabrian peppers
- Peperoncinos (I like the ones from Terroni)
- Peruvian sweety drop peppers
- Thai kefir leaves (frozen)
- Thai birdseye peppers
- Vietnamese veggies (rau ram) and Thai basil mmm
- fermented tofu bricks - kinda smelly but adds a slickness and sourness when stir frying Chinese veggies
- Korean coque d’asses (Japanese ones are a bit dry for me). Great frozen as well.
- mango gummy candy from cocoa land lot 100
- Chinese snow pear
- kewpie mayo (creepy baby)
- kozlik triple crunch mustard
- Vietnamese fried onions (need to figure out what brand is best)
- affordable soy sauce (made in Japan ones - yamasa or kikkoman)
- fermented black pepper (I like the Trader Joe’s ones - I put it into ramen broth)
- kecap manis (abc brand) for making Indonesian stuff
- Hungarian Hunters sausages - great snacks that last
18 votes -
Meeting a trans elder
I thought I would share this story as I've been thinking about it ever since coming out as transfem and it always makes me smile. for every year it's been going on -- which is two... but I digress...
I thought I would share this story as I've been thinking about it ever since coming out as transfem and it always makes me smile.
for every year it's been going on -- which is two... but I digress -- I've helped out at a major trade show to put some iconic industry products on display as mainly fully working examples for people to play around with.
I noticed this lady looking at one of our exhibits and struck up a conversation with her as I had done with countless other people that day. turns out she was working at the company who built that exhibit during its production run in the early eighties! we spoke a lot about her experiences with that company.
after a bit, a few more people from that same company came over and they were all reminiscing about their time working there. it was at this point I realised she was trans because she kept saying to all these old guys "you probably knew me by a different name back then"! they were all really accepting and had no issues, goes to show older people can and do respect trans people!
it really inspired me to meet not only a trans elder but a trans elder working in my industry, who had worked on an exhibit I had set up the day before -- we opened it up later and found her initials on an electrical testing label from 1983! in meeting her it feels like I saw a possible future for myself, which is not something I had properly envisioned before, not on the order of decades at the very least. I like the idea of having a future. it gives me something to strive for. I want to be the lady who goes to trade shows and regales bright-eyed students with tales of a long and fulfilling career in my industry. I want to have stories to tell and I want to be there to tell them. meeting her made all that seem that much more possible.
I hope this makes someone else smile like it does me and I'd love to hear more stories like this if anyone is willing to share!
42 votes -
What’s something you’re personally proud of from this year?
Tell us something you’re proud of. Celebrate your successes! Pat yourself on the back! Bragging about yourself is not only allowed but encouraged in this topic. If you’re naturally humble and...
Tell us something you’re proud of.
Celebrate your successes! Pat yourself on the back!
Bragging about yourself is not only allowed but encouraged in this topic.
If you’re naturally humble and don’t know what to say: pretend like this is a job interview and you have to sell everyone here on your strengths and successes.
20 votes -
US youth drug use defies expectations, continues historic decline
22 votes