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55 votes
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‘Fandom has toxified the world’: Watchmen author Alan Moore on superheroes, Comicsgate and Donald Trump
46 votes -
‘It’s like, wow. I was really deranged’: stars and repentant stans on the terror of toxic fandom
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US FDIC chair says he’ll leave job after toxic workplace report
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Ugly characters in video games
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How hidden Nazi symbols were the tip of a toxic iceberg at Life Is Strange developer Deck Nine
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Toxic posts on economist job website traced to users from elite universities
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Hyprland is a toxic community
34 votes -
Encouraging the young to die - The most toxic site I've ever seen
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‘Everything Everywhere All at Once’ director tells fans to stop attacking film critics for Top 10 list snubs: ‘Don’t add’ to toxic discourse
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How bullying manifests at work — and how to stop it
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Investigating toxicity changes of cross-community Redditors from two billion posts and comments
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Reject modernity, embrace masculinity: When toxicity is masked as positivity (AKA praising bodybuilders shouldn't be coupled with transphobia)
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How TikTok's design helps turn ordinary people into villains
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Christopher Biggins’ car-crash Superman interview proves how toxic the media has become
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Facebook knows Instagram is toxic for teen girls, company documents show
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Job hunts after a toxic work experience
I terminated my position over 4 months ago and I'm still not able to apply for jobs. I'm frustrated with my inability to move on from the previous toxic work environments. My background is in a...
I terminated my position over 4 months ago and I'm still not able to apply for jobs. I'm frustrated with my inability to move on from the previous toxic work environments. My background is in a male dominated field and there was always something either insensitive, sexist or racist said in all my previous workplaces. I feel, I know I'm going to be met with some sort of comment in my next work place and I no longer want to put myself in those situations anymore. I don't know how I'll react, I feel like I may explode if I hear another ignorant phrase.
I want to be able to make money. People say I must not have liked what I did very much if I wasn't able to put up with the comments. Other people say that that's just how the world is, "get used to it!" I've also heard that I'm just going to have to wait for change because drastic/fast pace change causes recoil. All of these comments literally tell me to suck it up and allow the same rhetoric to propagate. And, of course, all of this has been told to me by white men, those who aren't effected by the comments said to me.
Things that have happened to me or that were said to me:
- Smile more
- I'm too soft spoken/nice
- I'm too aggressive
- "Do you want to fix your hair?"
- A project manager bought me hair product, I didn't ask. I have curly hair and it took me a long time to love my curls, but it's seen as "unprofessional"
- A Director was staring at my hair throughout an entire interview
- "I'll put you up there" when the males were talking about strip clubs
- "Why are women crazy?"
- I've been kissed on my face and told "if only I met you before my wife"... never had a fucking conversation outside work with this person. I didn't even speak to him more than once a week!
- "We were surprised that you and Mohammad spoke English". Both me and Mohammad were born and raised in the United States. When I responded with "Why did you guys think that?" they conveniently stumbled and changed the subject.
... Many more things happened, but require too much context.
I just don't get it. Am I suppose to let ALL these things slide? Am I suppose to hold empathy for people who don't have empathy for me? Who don't empathize with me and how what they have said may have made me feel? Should I forgive people who would rather hide the fact that they said something rather than apologize? (And yes, I filed reports for some of these comments/experiences and the rhetoric was "She got X fired", not "X's own behavior got them fired".)
And more importantly, how do I move on from this knowing that it's going to happen again? The last job had the most amount of sexism in it. The thing about sexism (and racism) is that it's meant to make you feel devalued, and shocker, I felt devalued. It took me so long to gain my self confidence back. And I want so badly to protect myself. I never want to feel those feelings again. But the world is still sexist and racist and homophobic and xenophobic... all the phobics. And how do I tell my next work place that the reason why I left and why I took a break from working was to deal with the emotional repercussions from a very toxic/sexist work environment (when workplaces see whistle blowers as a red flag)? And how to I prepare my little sister who is in college studying a male dominated field knowing that she'll have to deal with the same things I went through?
It's been 4 months and I'm still angry and still jobless. I've grown to hate social interactions for fear of someone saying some ignorant shit. I've grown a distrust of all people. I hate how much this thing has affected me, how belittled I feel and how I can't move on from this. I feel emotionally paralyzed and money is running out and jobs are hard to come by especially because I'm not white nor am I a male and my hair isn't straight Billie Holiday - I Love My Man.
I'm tired of confusing people with how my looks don't match my attitude/personality that they've been conditionally taught to think it was like. I'm tired of confusing people with how unashamed I am of my existence.
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Why AI struggles to recognize toxic speech on social media
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Tim Berners-Lee: We need social networks where bad things happen less
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Stop making excuses for toxic bosses
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The impact of toxic influencers on communities
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A heartbreaking and earnest discussion by Rooster Teeth/Achievement Hunter staff addressing the hate and toxicity in their community
10 votes -
Opinion: The unspoken truth about managing geeks
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Eight things toxic mothers have in common
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A group of agents rose through the ranks to lead the US Border Patrol, and now they’re retiring and leaving it in crisis
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YouTube: bad? - Shannon Strucci's musing on YouTube, fan toxicity, issues with takedowns, and the ups and downs of a YouTube career
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Emotional baggage—Away’s founders sold a vision of travel and inclusion, but former employees say it masked a toxic work environment
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The real trouble with Silicon Valley: The toxicity of the web is peanuts compared with Big Tech’s failure to remake the physical world
9 votes -
Some Reddit comments are being hidden by default as "potentially toxic content" (i.e. a swear filter)
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New research finds that user affiliations on Reddit can be used to predict which subreddits will turn so toxic they eventually get banned
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#IAmHere – The people trying to make Facebook a nicer place
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Study finds Reddit’s ban of its most toxic subreddits worked
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Toxicity is a symptom, not a cause: to fix it, treat the discontent around the game, not the players reacting to it.
Inspired by discussion here. Toxic players don't create toxic games. Toxic games create toxic players. About a year ago, I wrote up a comprehensive report on why Overwatch's community is such a...
Inspired by discussion here.
Toxic players don't create toxic games. Toxic games create toxic players.
About a year ago, I wrote up a comprehensive report on why Overwatch's community is such a shitshow. Give it a read if you're at all interested in why game communities turn toxic, or if you're curious why Overwatch didn't stick longer as a phenomenon.
(At this point, with Overwatch now past its prime and usurped by other games due in large part to reasons I described there, I'd like to also offer a nice fat 'I told you so' to actiblizz. I didn't want to stop playing...)
The baseline question was this: Overwatch has great representation, an entertaining formula, and good messages. The game is super fun to play on the surface, and offers hundreds of hours of unique new experiences. So why is it so easily considered to have one of the most toxic competitive communities out there?
There's no explanation or reason for why naturally toxic players would gravitate towards the title, stick around, and infect the rest of the community. Nothing about Overwatch would indicate that it was going to somehow filter out the worst of the worst and keep them for itself, and that's because - bumbudaaa! It didn't.
Toxic players didn't infect Overwatch; Overwatch created toxic players.
The same things can be said for basically any other huge competitive game on the market, with CS:GO, LoL, and DOTA2 being the easiest examples. Their communities are all total swamps.
Despite this, there is virtually no game on the market which properly addresses the root cause of community-destroying toxicity: the game itself.
I'd rather not repeat myself because that above link will do a better job of going in-depth and can be applied to a lot of games, but the baseline problem is this: games catch and ban bad apples, but do nothing to stop those bad apples from forming. Failing to realize that parts of an otherwise amazing experience are fundamentally frustrating, the focus and blame is put on the players for reacting (see above thread) in exactly the way the games are designed to make them.
Chief among these issues? Games demand teamwork, cooperation and a community voice, but do nothing to facilitate them. Games that are designed to be fun casually will be frustrating competitively - and vice versa. Toxic communities will not form where every style of play is catered to, which is sometimes balance, but often a fundamental disconnect between what the game was built for, what's actually promised, and what the player's trying to get out of it.
So, I'd rather send the discussion in the other direction, which is why I posted this here. Rather than blame the community, it's time to look for solutions from the actual people responsible.
(To be clear: yes, there are assholes in the world, and yes, they play games. But the idea that the culture has only just now soured to a patch of racism and misogyny is laughable to anyone who grew up playing Xbox Live. It's been blown completely out of proportion by a fundamental discontent with games themselves, like further kindling on a fire, driven mostly by competitive culture.)
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It’s time to make video games safe for children
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Reddit founder warns 'hustle porn' is 'most toxic, dangerous thing in tech'
31 votes -
Political extremists are using YouTube to monetize their toxic ideas
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Valve's forgotten game: Team Fortress 2's shocking toxicity problem
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The growing toxicity of fanbases
So, it might just be that I'm older and notice these things more, but it really seems to me that fan groups are becoming more and more toxic overall. It feels like over the past 5-8 years...
So, it might just be that I'm older and notice these things more, but it really seems to me that fan groups are becoming more and more toxic overall. It feels like over the past 5-8 years specifically fanbases are reaching toxic levels faster and faster.
I remember when bronies became a thing, it took them like 3-4 years before the dangerous, threatening, and assholeish behavior really began to become common. Then Steven Universe came out and it only took them like 2 years to start sending death threats to people who didn't support their head-cannons. Rick and Morty went toxic in under a year and a half.
Then there's the shit in long-running franchises. Star Wars has had multiple of the actors shutting off social media from the toxic bile being shot at them. Chris Pratt is getting hate for what Star Lord did in Infinity War.
There's memes too, weirdly enough. Calarts is the biggest example I can think of. People made a dumb joke about how all the cartoons look a like today and someone pointed out how a few of the artists went to this one school in California and it became a catch all term for the shitty artstyle, and then within like 4 weeks the school has to go into lockdown because someone made a tongue-in-cheek threat of shooting the school up. A few years ago trolling attempts would be things like ordering a bunch of pizzas to the school or something annoying and dickish but overall harmless like that.
I know toxicity amongst fanbases has always been a thing, but it really seems to me that they're reaching unseen levels and doing so faster and faster. I mean Rick and Morty fans rioted over fucking dipping sauce, there are the aforementioned Steven Universe death threats, the directed attacks of actors on social media, fucking joking about shooting schools up because you don't like the art-style a few of their graduates used in a time where we've seen like 6 school shootings in half a year, there was that whole Voltron incident where a fan stole storyboards or something and threatened to release them to the public unless the creators of the show made their favorite gay ship a thing.
I guess what I'm getting at is what the fuck is happening that's poisoning every single community online? It's like everything has suddenly devolved into Youtube comments. How did we get to this level of toxicity? Or am I just more aware of this shit now and it's not really all that different from how it used to be?
35 votes