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What game do you consider an unconventional masterpiece?

There are games that people can generally agree are masterpieces due to their eminent quality and cultural impact.

I'm interested in ones that fall outside those lines: a game that you consider a legitimate masterpiece but, for whatever reason, isn't necessarily widely seen as such. Maybe it's because it's very niche; maybe it's because its amazing systems and story are sold by underwhelming graphics; maybe it's because the game did something so different or unique that people don't appreciate it as much relative to other games. Maybe it's something else entirely!

Let us know what game you think is an unconventional masterpiece and, most importantly: why.

95 comments

  1. [7]
    kenman884
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    Outer Wilds is a masterpiece that by its very nature is difficult to share such that it will become a cultural phenomenon. It will likely forever remain a niche cult hit.

    Outer Wilds is a masterpiece that by its very nature is difficult to share such that it will become a cultural phenomenon. It will likely forever remain a niche cult hit.

    43 votes
    1. Trobador
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      Honestly? No, it's not difficult to share or niche. It's popular enough that, as a student, I've met several unrelated people in my uni that would spontaneously bring it up during conversation,...

      Honestly? No, it's not difficult to share or niche. It's popular enough that, as a student, I've met several unrelated people in my uni that would spontaneously bring it up during conversation, and that one would have a hard time avoiding info about it while browsing the web. It's been praised by every reviewer under the sun and included in every recommendations thread everywhere, even when it's off-topic.

      It's a boldly designed game for sure. But it's not niche.

      26 votes
    2. teaearlgraycold
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      I think that genre of MYST like puzzle games just isn’t that popular anymore. In fact, MYST was probably only ever the best selling PC game because of the type of person that was playing PC games...

      I think that genre of MYST like puzzle games just isn’t that popular anymore. In fact, MYST was probably only ever the best selling PC game because of the type of person that was playing PC games in the early 90s.

      Personally I’m not that into the genre, nor Outer Wilds, but I did give it a solid chance and thoroughly enjoyed the vibes of it.

      3 votes
    3. [4]
      Eji1700
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      Most puzzle games/you have to play it stuff falls here. Even more so some other games in the genre where even MENTIONING that the game is a puzzle game instead of what it appears to be is...

      Most puzzle games/you have to play it stuff falls here. Even more so some other games in the genre where even MENTIONING that the game is a puzzle game instead of what it appears to be is something of a spoiler.

      1 vote
      1. [3]
        teaearlgraycold
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        Can you give an example of a game where revealing it’s a puzzle is a spoiler?

        Can you give an example of a game where revealing it’s a puzzle is a spoiler?

        1 vote
        1. Eji1700
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          Obviously, spoilers to follow: No really Tunic is the main one that comes to my mind. The game presents itself very much as "oh this is just a zelda/meets souls style game!", but at least half the...

          Obviously, spoilers to follow:

          No really Tunic is the main one that comes to my mind. The game presents itself very much as "oh this is just a zelda/meets souls style game!", but at least half the content is about something totally different.
          5 votes
        2. JRandomHacker
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          Spoilers as well: Click for spoilers The Witness is a weird one because it pretends to be... a puzzle game - while actually being a _different_ puzzle game

          Spoilers as well:

          Click for spoilers The Witness is a weird one because it pretends to be... a puzzle game - while actually being a _different_ puzzle game
          2 votes
  2. [13]
    whbboyd
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    I have three favorite games, which I struggle to rank against one another. Two of them are The Witcher 3 (which is utterly uncontroversial) and Morrowind (which many people may disagree about, but...

    I have three favorite games, which I struggle to rank against one another. Two of them are The Witcher 3 (which is utterly uncontroversial) and Morrowind (which many people may disagree about, but nobody thinks I'm weird for liking).

    The third is Lego Racers (1999, PC/N64/PS). It received mixed-to-positive reviews, and was completely forgotten by the broader gaming zeitgeist within a few years after release. I think it is utterly brilliant and the best take on kart racing I've ever played.

    So the big thing mechanics-wise that separates Lego Racers from other games in the genre (that is to say, Mario Kart) is—no, it's nothing to do with the Legos, bear with me—is that powerups on the tracks are set. This set of three powerups are always in those spots, and always of those types. (Actually, there's a mechanic where if you're carrying one powerup and you drive through another, you'll swap them—so they're not always those types! But each one is always a specific type, easily distinguishable by color, and if it's not the set type, it's because some other racer changed it.) This means that the line you take through the course is driven by powerup choice, and you might reasonably vary it for tactical reasons; for example, if Captain Redbeard (who really likes cannonballing people) is right behind you, you might choose a blue shield powerup over other options.

    As far as I can tell, no other game does this (though I certainly haven't attempted a comprehensive audit). Kart racers with powerups seem to invariably take the Mario Kart route of having them be randomized, which makes every powerup placement interchangeable and eliminates any strategy in powerup choice.

    Now, the game isn't super well balanced or polished, and so overwhelmingly the best strategy is to exclusively go for green speed powerups and ignore the rest of the game mechanics (and the rest of the AI racers, who will immediately fall into irrelevance until you start lapping them). I do think it's fun, but to an extent you have to make your own fun by screwing around with the other racers; it's really easy if you focus on trying to beat it.

    The Lego aesthetic is cute; the build-your-own-car schtick is neat for about three minutes, until you realize it does absolutely nothing and just drive Baron von Barron's car. It's definitely not a perfect game. I just wish it had made more of an impact on its genre.

    30 votes
    1. turmacar
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      Diddy Kong Racing also has static powerups. Started a replay of it last year and got through the first ~2-3 worlds. Still a really fun game, runs great on emulators. Definitely can't think of...

      Diddy Kong Racing also has static powerups. Started a replay of it last year and got through the first ~2-3 worlds. Still a really fun game, runs great on emulators.

      Definitely can't think of anything newer than that, though like you said, might just be I don't play a lot of newer kart racers.

      9 votes
    2. [4]
      kfwyre
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      Great writeup! If you’re craving more of the choose-your-own-powerup kart racing, it’s definitely worth finding a copy of Blur. It uses the same system you described — you can actually see on the...

      Great writeup!

      If you’re craving more of the choose-your-own-powerup kart racing, it’s definitely worth finding a copy of Blur. It uses the same system you described — you can actually see on the cover art the different powerup logos!

      It’s also simply a fantastic game. It’s probably my answer to the topic, now that I’m thinking about it! Unfortunately it’s been delisted on PC, which is a shame.

      6 votes
      1. [3]
        tobii
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        Blur! I didn't expect to see it on tildes! When I saw the title of the post I immediately thought of blur, but Activision fucked up the release of this game so badly I hesitated. I used to mod...

        Blur! I didn't expect to see it on tildes! When I saw the title of the post I immediately thought of blur, but Activision fucked up the release of this game so badly I hesitated.

        I used to mod this game on PC (yay amax-emu). It's my favourite arcade racing game ever. I haven't played much since life got in the way, but seeing this comment I think I might go and play it this weekend!

        1 vote
        1. [2]
          kfwyre
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          Awesome! I’m always happy to meet another Blur fan out in the wild! It’s wild to me that there’s still a multiplayer community for this game. I had no idea.

          Awesome! I’m always happy to meet another Blur fan out in the wild!

          It’s wild to me that there’s still a multiplayer community for this game. I had no idea.

          3 votes
          1. tobii
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            Well it really is kind of wild that the game didn't completely die out. After Activision abandoned the game, there wasn't a way to buy it anymore, so people used P2P software like Hamachi or...

            Well it really is kind of wild that the game didn't completely die out. After Activision abandoned the game, there wasn't a way to buy it anymore, so people used P2P software like Hamachi or Tungle to emulate LAN play, which obviously wasn't a great way for the game to live on, as it was kind of a hassle.
            The Blur community got really lucky that someone reverse engineered the Activision servers and networking, singlehandedly reviving the game (AMAX).
            I'd honestly say the game is in a way healthier place now than when it was under Activision's control, and the graphics still hold up in my opinion (I find the style very pretty). Makes me wish for a law or something that would encourage game developers to release the source code of games they're not gonna support anymore.

            2 votes
    3. ShamedSalmon
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      Love for the sacred land of Veloth is most holy and orthodox, muthsera. Wealth beyond measure.

      which many people may disagree about

      Love for the sacred land of Veloth is most holy and orthodox, muthsera. Wealth beyond measure.

      4 votes
    4. somewaffles
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      I was not expecting to come in here and see someone mention Lego Racer. I forget which other lego game contained a demo of it, but I played the absolute crap out of the 3-ish levels it came with....

      I was not expecting to come in here and see someone mention Lego Racer. I forget which other lego game contained a demo of it, but I played the absolute crap out of the 3-ish levels it came with. I eventually got the full game, but those three levels are forever etched in my brain, I still remember all the secrets and power up spots.

      4 votes
    5. DeaconBlue
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      Correct me if I am wrong, but I think Diddy Kong Racing also had static powerups in the same era. That was a pretty popular racer as I recall.

      As far as I can tell, no other game does this (though I certainly haven't attempted a comprehensive audit). Kart racers with powerups seem to invariably take the Mario Kart route of having them be randomized, which makes every powerup placement interchangeable and eliminates any strategy in powerup choice.

      Correct me if I am wrong, but I think Diddy Kong Racing also had static powerups in the same era. That was a pretty popular racer as I recall.

      2 votes
    6. slampisko
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      Thank you for mentioning that game. Brings up some memories! I still have the menu or in-race music randomly stuck in my head sometimes :D

      Thank you for mentioning that game. Brings up some memories! I still have the menu or in-race music randomly stuck in my head sometimes :D

      1 vote
    7. updawg
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      Just watched this video about the game recently. I loved it when I was a kid.

      Just watched this video about the game recently. I loved it when I was a kid.

    8. Weldawadyathink
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      I assume you already have, but just in case, have you watched this video about Lego racers? It is my only exposure to that game, but it sounds quite interesting.

      I assume you already have, but just in case, have you watched this video about Lego racers? It is my only exposure to that game, but it sounds quite interesting.

    9. EpicAglet
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      There is a YouTuber that seems to share your opinion, so I remember watching a video about it. I think it was this one.

      There is a YouTuber that seems to share your opinion, so I remember watching a video about it. I think it was this one.

  3. kaffo
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    The Return of the Obra Dinn I don't think got enough attention. Papers Please was obviously well known and very well received, but Obra Dinn I thought was extremely tight and very satisfying to...

    The Return of the Obra Dinn
    I don't think got enough attention. Papers Please was obviously well known and very well received, but Obra Dinn I thought was extremely tight and very satisfying to play. It feels like he got every detail of that game nailed down.

    I'd throw a flawed masterpiece in for Noita, because it's got problems.
    As someone with 400 hours in it, I still don't really feel like I know everything about that game because it is so densely packed with stuff.
    But if we forget about the extreme barrier to entry for a moment, there are a lot of loose threads in the game because it was essentially four unassoicated developers working together for the first time and when the game released, all but one left the project, which left a lot of content hanging and a lot of weirdness which was never fixed.

    23 votes
  4. [8]
    Baeocystin
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    Factorio, simply for the fact that it scratches a very particular itch in my brain like nothing else I've ever played or experienced. It's so powerful at what it does that I have to treat...

    Factorio, simply for the fact that it scratches a very particular itch in my brain like nothing else I've ever played or experienced. It's so powerful at what it does that I have to treat carefully, so that I don't get sucked in and lose a day. Even its development logs are a delight that is hard to describe if you aren't a programmer or engineer of some sort. The quality of their programming and design work is a thing of beauty in and of itself.

    21 votes
    1. [7]
      Tuna
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      Isn't Factorio considered the parent of all factory building games? If so, I don't think it would qualify as unappreciated.

      Isn't Factorio considered the parent of all factory building games?

      If so, I don't think it would qualify as unappreciated.

      10 votes
      1. sparksbet
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        It's definitely the parent of a lot of similar games, but I don't know if I'd say "all" factory building games. There are definitely some old Zachtronics games that I think approach the label...

        It's definitely the parent of a lot of similar games, but I don't know if I'd say "all" factory building games. There are definitely some old Zachtronics games that I think approach the label "factory building games" that predate Factorio. That said, I agree that Factorio's definitely not unappreciated -- it experienced extremely mainstream success compared to others in the building/management sim genre, to the extent that there's probably a non-zero number of gamers for whom it's the only game in the genre they've played.

        6 votes
      2. Macha
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        It's also worth calling out the minecraft mods buildcraft, mfr and industrialcraft, which factorio explicitly credits (in fact the first public mention of factorio was on the industrialcraft...

        It's also worth calling out the minecraft mods buildcraft, mfr and industrialcraft, which factorio explicitly credits (in fact the first public mention of factorio was on the industrialcraft forums). And those mods were inspired by dwarf fortress (as was, to some extent, minecraft itself)

        5 votes
      3. [4]
        Baeocystin
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        It's an exceedingly niche genre. Compared to truly popular with the general gaming community games, it isn't even a blip. Those of us that like such things aren't a small absolute number of...

        It's an exceedingly niche genre. Compared to truly popular with the general gaming community games, it isn't even a blip. Those of us that like such things aren't a small absolute number of people, but percentage wise? Absolutely.

        2 votes
        1. [2]
          shu
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          In 2022 Factorio had already sold 3.5 million copies. I love the game, but it's really not niche.

          In 2022 Factorio had already sold 3.5 million copies. I love the game, but it's really not niche.

          7 votes
          1. kfwyre
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            It’s also in the top 100 most reviewed games on Steam (#98) so I’d agree that it’s pretty popular. That said, I can still see the merit of it being considered an unconventional masterpiece. I feel...

            It’s also in the top 100 most reviewed games on Steam (#98) so I’d agree that it’s pretty popular.

            That said, I can still see the merit of it being considered an unconventional masterpiece. I feel like “masterpiece” tends to call to mind more narrative-driven games like The Last of Us or Mass Effect, and games that are mechanics-driven like Factorio can get overlooked as a result.

            9 votes
        2. sparksbet
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          The genre is a little niche, but I certainly wouldn't say extremely so. Factorio in particular also reached a lot of people who otherwise don't play games in that genre.

          The genre is a little niche, but I certainly wouldn't say extremely so. Factorio in particular also reached a lot of people who otherwise don't play games in that genre.

          3 votes
  5. [3]
    Bonooru
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    The World Ends with You (DS) ticks this box. It has two gigantic things going for it. The first is the music fits the vibe of the game perfectly. The second is that it is the only game that I know...

    The World Ends with You (DS) ticks this box. It has two gigantic things going for it. The first is the music fits the vibe of the game perfectly. The second is that it is the only game that I know of that used the two screens on the DS the way that it did. In combat, you control two independent characters with a combo mechanic that bounces a damage multiplier between the two. It has a learning curve, but once it clicks it's incredible.

    18 votes
    1. [2]
      CptBluebear
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      It's also why the re-release/make didn't work as well as the original. The dual screens were why the game functioned as a well polished original idea.

      It's also why the re-release/make didn't work as well as the original. The dual screens were why the game functioned as a well polished original idea.

      3 votes
      1. Lapbunny
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        999 on the DS had the same problem; the ports miss a bunch of really important things by changing the medium.

        999 on the DS had the same problem; the ports miss a bunch of really important things by changing the medium.

        4 votes
  6. [5]
    Pavouk106
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    Morrowind - huge open world "do what you want, we won't guide you" hardcore RPG from times when Bethesda didn't make games to profit heavily but for hardcore players. FTL - Faster than light - I...

    Morrowind - huge open world "do what you want, we won't guide you" hardcore RPG from times when Bethesda didn't make games to profit heavily but for hardcore players.

    FTL - Faster than light - I didn't expect this game to be so good! I really didn't think much of it, but I dived in and spent too many hours playing it over and over again. Really great game!

    Zachtronics games - If you like to think (hard), these are for you. Many different styles, all of them will get your brain going.

    17 votes
    1. [4]
      EsteeBestee
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      Good list! Personally, I’m honing in on FTL, because I think that fits the prompt fantastically. It’s a game that’s a pillar of the roguelike genre, superbly executed, tons of content, and still...

      Good list! Personally, I’m honing in on FTL, because I think that fits the prompt fantastically. It’s a game that’s a pillar of the roguelike genre, superbly executed, tons of content, and still holds up to this day, but because roguelikes appeal to a smaller contingent of gamers, it’s a game that isn’t really talked about much, at least not anymore. It will never be talked about in the same breath as The Witcher 3, Breath of the Wild, Elden Ring, etc., even though it has a similar level of perfection. I think I originally picked it up for $2.50 and I put a hundred hours into it, not many other games for $2.50 can do that.

      5 votes
      1. Pavouk106
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        I did the same with FTL - bought on tablet for next to nothing and played the hell out of it! I have very likely around 500 hours in and completed the game many times (and failing to win probably...

        I did the same with FTL - bought on tablet for next to nothing and played the hell out of it! I have very likely around 500 hours in and completed the game many times (and failing to win probably as many times as that). I bought it again for PC amd added some moe hours. I'm also the person who would talk about Wotcher 3 and Breath of the Wild and other AND also FTL in one sentence. It is perfect game, although it's target group is so small...

        I'm glad Luke Lafreniere (of Linus Tech Tips) loves the game so much and talks about it here and there, it helps spreading the word. Or rather talked, he is not on screen as much today. He also speaks about Morrowind.

        3 votes
      2. [2]
        vord
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        I have 800 hours into FTL. I have 5 hours into Witcher 3 because the intro bored me to death, and then I promptly forgot about it for 3 years, tried again, and then haven't touched it since.

        I have 800 hours into FTL. I have 5 hours into Witcher 3 because the intro bored me to death, and then I promptly forgot about it for 3 years, tried again, and then haven't touched it since.

        2 votes
        1. Pavouk106
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          I played the hell out of both. They are uncomparable games, either in resources put into them and in he style/genre. Yet they are still very worthy of my time. I did like 500 hours in FTL and I...

          I played the hell out of both. They are uncomparable games, either in resources put into them and in he style/genre. Yet they are still very worthy of my time. I did like 500 hours in FTL and I played Witcher 3 on Switch Lite for 150 hours (completed base game) and now I'm 190 hours in on Steam Deck (cometed the base game and going through second expansion). Both are perfect games for me, both suit me really well, each in its own style.

          1 vote
  7. jhombus
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    I’m going to continue singing the praises of Mosa Lina — it’s a small but infinitely replayable physics-based puzzle game with a super unique design philosophy. You’re given a select set of tools...

    I’m going to continue singing the praises of Mosa Lina — it’s a small but infinitely replayable physics-based puzzle game with a super unique design philosophy. You’re given a select set of tools from a broader pool for each “run” and need to problem solve your way through a set of levels that aren’t designed with any particular tool in mind.

    99% of the time, the set of levels is solvable with the tools you have — but it takes practice and in-the-moment ingenuity on the player’s part to discover workable solutions.

    I’ve never played anything quite like it, and could quite easily imagine it spawning a genre in and of itself.

    16 votes
  8. [4]
    vord
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    Gazillionaire, from 1994. Words cannot express how deeply addicted to that game I was as a 10 year old. My Dad and I would hotseat play until 11:30 PM, trying to quit starting at 7:30 saying 'just...

    Gazillionaire, from 1994. Words cannot express how deeply addicted to that game I was as a 10 year old. My Dad and I would hotseat play until 11:30 PM, trying to quit starting at 7:30 saying 'just one more turn.'

    It's in the niche I would call 'financial simulators,' like many of the future space trading games that would follow. But no other game that I've encountered has quite the same soul Gazillionaire had.

    My favorite Steam review

    Like if Primus made a venture capitalist simulator.

    14 votes
    1. [2]
      scarecrw
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      Man, what a rush of memories from looking at those screenshots. I can hear so many of the sound effects that went along with the characters and locations. One astounding thing looking back at this...

      Man, what a rush of memories from looking at those screenshots. I can hear so many of the sound effects that went along with the characters and locations.

      One astounding thing looking back at this game from the perspective of modern videogames is how incredibly small everything seems. The game loop was tiny, as was the collection of graphics and sounds. The steam page lists required storage of 50 MB and I'd be surprised if the original was even that.

      4 votes
      1. Protected
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        Mr. Zinn (wehhh!) wants to offer you another loan but Emperor Dredd (oooh!) has raised the taxes, and fuel (sploosh splash) is currently in short supply... Time to head on over to Loro and give...

        Mr. Zinn (wehhh!) wants to offer you another loan but Emperor Dredd (oooh!) has raised the taxes, and fuel (sploosh splash) is currently in short supply... Time to head on over to Loro and give your crew a vacation in the hopes they'll voluntarily lower their salaries!

        2 votes
    2. Protected
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      I played this game with all kinds of friends from on and offline all through my youth. I've always wanted to make a "better" implementation of the mechanics but never had the time. It's difficult...

      I played this game with all kinds of friends from on and offline all through my youth. I've always wanted to make a "better" implementation of the mechanics but never had the time. It's difficult to justify playing it these days because the game is so easy to break and they've never really fixed anything, despite selling it continuously for decades.

      3 votes
  9. [2]
    archevel
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    Papers Please is one truly unconventional game that I think is very well done. The clunky UI being something that actually enhances the game is genious. Brilliant game. I'd second Obra Dinn as...

    Papers Please is one truly unconventional game that I think is very well done. The clunky UI being something that actually enhances the game is genious. Brilliant game.

    I'd second Obra Dinn as well. Very different detective style game that is aesthetically pleasing.

    13 votes
    1. whs
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      There's a few "clones" of the document checking genre. Here's my review of the ones I played Not Tonight - I currently play this game, but the story is more sparse than Papers, Please. You play as...

      There's a few "clones" of the document checking genre. Here's my review of the ones I played

      • Not Tonight - I currently play this game, but the story is more sparse than Papers, Please. You play as a pub bouncer checking their ID for minors and fakes. I heard later on the story may be more intense and also other job options will open up (which still involve checking people's documents)
      • Contraband Police - I never played this one, but watching streamer play and I think it's the same game done in 3D. You may need to physically search their vehicle, and go to stores to stock up your checkpoint.
      • I can't remember if Mainlining was one of them. The game wasn't so memorable for me
      • Orwell - It's not exactly the same game, but you're tasked with reviewing people's online presences (including private places like hacking their personal computer) and judging whether to report that information as related to the crime. There's a story and I find both Orwell 1 & 2's story done quite okay.
      • Need to Know - If you need more Orwell it's basically that. Review people's document and see if they matches the provided criterias. There's a story and dilemma choices, but I don't think they do anything in this game other than giving you game over screens. The game is quite long (10+ hrs), but it's a grindfest where the story doesn't move.
      • Not For Broadcast - This one is not a document checking game. It's a FMV game where you have to switch between 4 live cameras footage. There are evening news shows, sportsboard (the footage is NSFW, can you make the live broadcast SFW?) and even musicals. The game also offer options of choosing the headline news options which affect routes, and also choice of ads which affect your rating to the TV station or the anti-liberty political party.
      1 vote
  10. [3]
    EsteeBestee
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    To me, an unconventional masterpiece isn’t necessarily a perfect game, but a game that knew what it was, executed that idea perfectly, and brought some new ideas to the table. For me, Lord of the...

    To me, an unconventional masterpiece isn’t necessarily a perfect game, but a game that knew what it was, executed that idea perfectly, and brought some new ideas to the table.

    For me, Lord of the Rings: Shadow of Mordor fits that description. I think it’s mostly forgotten now because on the surface, it’s a generic action game stapled to the LotR IP. However, I think the game has the best realization of the attack chain system WB was using at the time in the Batman games, Mad Max, etc., the world was fun to explore, upgrades were good, stealth was good, and the nemesis system was actually groundbreaking and it’s a shame we haven’t seen more systems like that, who’s goal is to make your personal experience entirely dynamic while upholding the quality of if a writer had just written a mini boss up in any other game.

    The game was divisive on release, scoring anywhere from 6 to 10, and is almost the epitome of an 8/10 action game from the 2010-2015 era, but I think all of its systems working together made for an entirely unique game that we haven’t really seen since and it was just plain fun.

    Nowadays it isn’t really mentioned unless threads go up that are basically “what’s a pretty good, but not perfect game you played 10 years ago that nobody remembers anymore”. I mean, I haven’t thought about the game in at least 8 years and here I am claiming this forgettable, generic on the surface game is an unconventional masterpiece. But I do truly think the systems running the game were pretty revolutionary and if Shadow of War had gone a different direction, we might still be talking about the series today.

    13 votes
    1. vord
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      Thank WB for having a software patent on the nemesis system. They have the option to keep it alive until 2035, so maybe we'll see some innovation around it then.

      it’s a shame we haven’t seen more systems like that,

      Thank WB for having a software patent on the nemesis system. They have the option to keep it alive until 2035, so maybe we'll see some innovation around it then.

      8 votes
    2. PraiseTheSoup
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      Except that we did see a very similar system just a few years later in Assassin's Creed Odyssey. I think the real problem is that Shadow of Mordor was just a generic, boring ass button-masher type...

      and the nemesis system was actually groundbreaking and it’s a shame we haven’t seen more systems like that

      Except that we did see a very similar system just a few years later in Assassin's Creed Odyssey.

      I think the real problem is that Shadow of Mordor was just a generic, boring ass button-masher type game that took extreme liberties with the LotR lore and did absolutely nothing new aside from "the nemesis system", which just wasn't interesting enough to make the game actually fun enough to play to completion.

  11. [2]
    Evie
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    Gotta be The Cosmic Wheel Sisterhood for me. This is a really interesting one, because the amount of agency you have over the story, its structure and its themes and its ending is so dramatic that...

    Gotta be The Cosmic Wheel Sisterhood for me. This is a really interesting one, because the amount of agency you have over the story, its structure and its themes and its ending is so dramatic that it's almost hard to believe that the game works, or coheres, as a piece of art. The game styles itself as a VN with tarot reading as the main mechanic, in a similar vein to, like, VA-11 Hall-A or Coffee Talk, these little job simulators where you make latte art and meet characters, learning their stories as they become regulars. Only here, instead of a barista, you're an exiled witch, and instead of foam ferns you're crafting major arcana for your deck. This might be your impression during the tutorial, but the game is kind of hiding its hand here (har har).

    What will eventually become clear is that every reading you perform, every throwaway interpretation of a card you choose, has a direct and significant impact on the lives of the other characters and, as the main plot unfolds, your own story; decisions that you thought were of little consequence become unimaginably significant as the game unravels. On its own, this is a neat little trick -- what you thought was a VN was also a clever choice-based RPG! You thought that the art you were making was jut the tarot cards, but in reality you were writing your own narrative, setting up your own arcs and themes, for the art that is your version of The Cosmic Wheel Sisterhood! But what propels the game to masterpiece status, for me, is that the game doesn't really want or expect you to intellectualize it in this way. It's a remarkably well written game, sentimental without being melodramatic; saturated with deep longing for a better, or at least different, world; one which might never come, or which you might make yourself. Choices are not merely consequential; they are also difficult, and meaningful, and complex, and worst of all muddy. When you draw a card with only negative interpretations, how can you look at the smiling face of the witch in front of you? How can you know which bad future they would prefer? Moreover, how will that decision affect you and your story down the line? And what were you thinking when you made that card, four hours ago? Hoping to use it against your enemies, perhaps? Well, look how that's turned out.

    The complexity of these choices, the heavy feeling of responsibility attached to them, and the emotional investment the game managed to instill in me by, essentially, making my playthrough my own unique creative work combine to create an experience that doesn't feel at all video-gamey. I never felt the urge to submit my role-playing to the ruthless logic of a "right" answer or an "optimal" decision; instead, I had to sit there, with the game and the text that I had, indirectly, chosen, and just feel. That's something very special, I think.

    10 votes
    1. sparksbet
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      I played this game a couple times and absolutely loved it. I was surprised how much you could change things -- certain things were obvious points of divergence, but the devs were not worried about...

      I played this game a couple times and absolutely loved it. I was surprised how much you could change things -- certain things were obvious points of divergence, but the devs were not worried about having you miss content based on which choices you made. It was genuinely really difficult to choose some options, and I didn't even get either of the two most divergent endings.

      3 votes
  12. [5]
    Daedalus_1
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    Tribes 2 One of the hardest multiplayer FPS games I played. You have to combine flying through the air with the physics of shooting flying discs/rockets at each other, whilst making use of the...

    Tribes 2
    One of the hardest multiplayer FPS games I played. You have to combine flying through the air with the physics of shooting flying discs/rockets at each other, whilst making use of the terrain to build up your speed and maximizing the pros of your current combat class. It was really innovative for its time, unfortunately they messed up with future releases...

    Maui Mallard
    Strong nostalgic feelings towards this one, but it had well designed levels, a great soundtrack and overall very "atmospheric" fun game.

    9 votes
    1. [3]
      TheFireTheft
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      I'll take it a step further and submit the original Tribes (not to steal your thunder... Tribes 2 was awesome). Many of the features that were built into Tribes 2 were actually...

      I'll take it a step further and submit the original Tribes (not to steal your thunder... Tribes 2 was awesome).

      Many of the features that were built into Tribes 2 were actually organic/unintentional products of the original Tribes. For example, "skiing" (picking up speed by running/jumping downhill to launch yourself further) was not built into the original game. Something with the physics engine made it so that if you jumped down a hill with the right timing, your speed would pick up. There was an almost mandatory mod that would ski for you by just holding down the spacebar.

      For an added bonus, once you ski down a hill and back up the other side, you aim your disk launcher at the ground, jump, and fire away to launch yourself into the sky -- hopefully aimed directly at the opponent's flag off in the distance so you can sweep in and grab it without much resistance.

      If you were competitive, you would actually have to learn all of the various routes for each map. Ski down this big hill, up that little crest right there, disk jump, aim yourself to the right of the base, land in this little valley and ski down and up, launch across the top of the base, grab the flag, and hit the return route before you get blown to shit. There was a mod that would time your flag capture attempts so you could practice before a big match.

      The original concept of dueling was just two people, standing decently far apart from each other, behind the Raindance base. One would chuck a grenade, and when it explodes, game on!

      You were judged by your ability to MA (mid-air shot) with the disk launcher. That was pretty much key to (1) winning duels, and, more importantly (2) getting invited into one of the big clans such as 5150. Once you were part of the clan, you were typically expected to participate in CTF matches/tournaments against rivals and specialize in a position (capper, sniper, etc.)

      If I recall correctly, some other things that weren't built into the game were proper loadouts (light, medium, heavy) or custom HUDs/crosshairs. The modding community for the original Tribes was huge and made the game better than intended.

      Man, Tribes was so unique compared to ALL other FPS games at the time. I would argue it's partly because of the X-Y-Z gameplay (jetpack), but I think a big part of it was all of these little unintentional gameplay side effects that just became core to the game. I'm not sure the "feel" of Tribes gameplay has been reproduced since Tribes 2 -- which was essentially just a better, modernized version of Tribes with many of the "unintentional" features built in.

      Also, Shazbot.

      9 votes
      1. PetitPrince
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        Seeing someone having to describe rocket jump make me feel old.

        For an added bonus, once you ski down a hill and back up the other side, you aim your disk launcher at the ground, jump, and fire away to launch yourself into the sky -- hopefully aimed directly at the opponent's flag off in the distance so you can sweep in and grab it without much resistance.

        Seeing someone having to describe rocket jump make me feel old.

        1 vote
      2. Daedalus_1
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        I never played the original actually, but it's interesting to hear how some of the Tribes 2 features were unintentional/organic products of Tribes 1 :-) Yeah, this game was really hardcore, maybe...

        I never played the original actually, but it's interesting to hear how some of the Tribes 2 features were unintentional/organic products of Tribes 1 :-)
        Yeah, this game was really hardcore, maybe that's why it was less popular. Last one I played was Tribes Ascend, which was okay-ish, but the servers were full of cheaters so it became unplayable.
        Shazbot!

  13. Lapbunny
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    A Short Hike takes the Breath of the Wild kind of climbing-stamina gameplay loop and perfects it over a very short amount of time while filling out a beautiful little world and narrative around...

    A Short Hike takes the Breath of the Wild kind of climbing-stamina gameplay loop and perfects it over a very short amount of time while filling out a beautiful little world and narrative around it. It's magnificently designed to point you at what it would like to do, and afterwards give you a beautiful sense of closure.

    I'm a light gun game afficionado already, but I've dumped enough quarters into Point Blank that I'm convinced it's got some kinda sauce no one can replicate. It throws you into progressive Warioware minigames - shoot 10 ninjas; shoot an apple off someone's head with one bullet; shoot the matching picture; etc. But you can lose lives by fucking up, and every game pits you against the other player for score. It's hyper-competitive, but it's so blistering that you don't get caught up if you lose one. I don't know if anyone else has done this formula, but they got the pacing and manic feel just right. There's a faithful port in modern arcades using optical guns that nailed the pace; I'm glad to see the series kept alive.

    Pokéclicker is a masterpiece of addiction. Don't play it.

    9 votes
  14. [6]
    Nemoder
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    Free and open source games aren't known for the highest quality but even so there are several popular ones that always get posted as being pretty good like OpenTTD, SuperTuxKart, and 0AD. But one...

    Free and open source games aren't known for the highest quality but even so there are several popular ones that always get posted as being pretty good like OpenTTD, SuperTuxKart, and 0AD. But one of my favorite FOSS games never even gets a mention: OpenClonk.

    Maybe it's the Worms-like graphics that have been done too often years ago, or the awkward controls, or the unforgiving map challenges. All I know is it is a game I keep going back to that always feels rewarding when completing a mission.

    8 votes
    1. [3]
      Mendanbar
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      Shoutout to Minetest here, in case Minecraft clones are your thing. There's a bit of a learning curve to get set up, but the mod system provides a pretty varied set of gameplay. :)

      Shoutout to Minetest here, in case Minecraft clones are your thing. There's a bit of a learning curve to get set up, but the mod system provides a pretty varied set of gameplay. :)

      5 votes
      1. [2]
        Nemoder
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        Yeah I've looked into minetest + mineclonia and it has a lot of features but still feels pretty rough with some of the textures and enemy AI.

        Yeah I've looked into minetest + mineclonia and it has a lot of features but still feels pretty rough with some of the textures and enemy AI.

        1 vote
        1. Mendanbar
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          Definitely agree there. If you go into Minetest expecting Minecraft behaviors it will disappoint. I had the most fun with the mods that deviate from Minecraft significantly, like NodeCore or Exile.

          Definitely agree there. If you go into Minetest expecting Minecraft behaviors it will disappoint. I had the most fun with the mods that deviate from Minecraft significantly, like NodeCore or Exile.

          1 vote
    2. V17
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      I'm going to latch onto this comment and say that The Dark Mod is the best open-source game I know. It's basically Thief 4: Back To The Roots. A continuation of Thief: The Dark Project and Thief...

      I'm going to latch onto this comment and say that The Dark Mod is the best open-source game I know. It's basically Thief 4: Back To The Roots. A continuation of Thief: The Dark Project and Thief 2: The Metal Age on a heavily modernized Doom3 engine with absurd quality of community contributions.

      The only downside is that there is no official campaign, only a couple intro missions and then a ton of community made maps with some mini-campaigns, so a new player is going to be kind of lost at first. But the average quality is really high, they're varied, new ones are still coming out a couple times a year and I am always impressed by their quality.

      4 votes
    3. Trobador
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      If we're talking open-source games... aside from the infamous Space Station 13, I think a shoutout is needed for Teeworlds, one of my favourite free games growing up. It gave me a taste for fast...

      If we're talking open-source games... aside from the infamous Space Station 13, I think a shoutout is needed for Teeworlds, one of my favourite free games growing up. It gave me a taste for fast Quake-y movement back when that was going away, which has stayed with me to this day.

      2 votes
  15. [4]
    daywalker
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    Dark Messiah of Might & Magic It's an extremely fun first person action rpg. Even though the story is cliche, for its time, immersion factor was very high. It's the first game I've played that I...

    Dark Messiah of Might & Magic

    It's an extremely fun first person action rpg. Even though the story is cliche, for its time, immersion factor was very high. It's the first game I've played that I truly felt like I was in that universe. There were various contributing factors to this. First person for starters was very unorthodox for an action rpg at the time, but it definitely contributed to immersion. It also didn't do that thing where in first person you look down and see nothing. You could actually see your body. The way you moved also made you feel you had weight and momentum. As a plus, the environment was responsive to some extent to the fights (which was very rare in those times). Not to mention its graphics were really good for its time, and the art direction definitely made the world feel more immersive.

    Afaik the same group of devs also produced Dishonered later, which I also love, but I didn't get that feeling of immersion as much as I had in Dark Messiah.

    I have no idea why it isn't more widely considered a masterpiece.

    Dragon Age: Inquisition

    I think this game is only a masterpiece if you've been following the universe for years. It has lots and lots of cool lore. There is no other game I've seen that added so much lore and layers to an existing universe. No other game that made it so much fun to theorize on the stuff they've added. No other game that added layers that made you feel as if you're diving into a deep and dark lake with no bottom.

    Sadly it's held back by some other aspects. The open world system they developed for this game suffered from a flaw many open world games at the time had: it didn't have much meaningful gameplay content and variety to explore. I also think they could've done the combat a bit better.

    Also, many fans criticized the game, in my opinion, very unfairly for not being enough like Dragon Age: Origins. This certainly soured the opinion of a wider audience about the game, because conservative* criticisms are given too much credit.

    • By conservative I mean an approach that tends to resist any change in an established game/story/etc

    Edit: Changed the wording a bit.

    8 votes
    1. Baeocystin
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      Trespasser is my favorite DLC of all time, and what really put Inquisition close to the top of my favorite games list. I love the direction they took the story!

      Trespasser is my favorite DLC of all time, and what really put Inquisition close to the top of my favorite games list. I love the direction they took the story!

      3 votes
    2. [2]
      MechanicalMagpie
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      Man. The lore in Inquisition was *chef's kiss*. Going back and playing origins after inqusition, hell even playing DA2 after inquisition just.....Man. Flemeth? wandering through the Dalish origin,...

      Man. The lore in Inquisition was *chef's kiss*. Going back and playing origins after inqusition, hell even playing DA2 after inquisition just.....Man. Flemeth? wandering through the Dalish origin, knowing everything you know after inquisition??? being a grey warden, knowing what you know about Maric and Fiona and Corypheus???? about Morrigan and her ritual that you may or may not have participated in? 10/10. Also, Descent?? learning about the history of the dwarves, the titans?? slkdjfhlskfjghlskjgh
      I love this game a completely normal amount.....fuck the hinterlands though lol.

      2 votes
      1. daywalker
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        It's extremely rare that that a sequel makes the previous entries retroactively better, and I love DA:I for that.

        It's extremely rare that that a sequel makes the previous entries retroactively better, and I love DA:I for that.

        2 votes
  16. [2]
    Rudism
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    I think Human Resource Machine is fantastic, but I'm a huge programming nerd. I'm a programmer by profession, and my free time is often spent either writing scripts or side projects or thinking...

    I think Human Resource Machine is fantastic, but I'm a huge programming nerd. I'm a programmer by profession, and my free time is often spent either writing scripts or side projects or thinking about programming, so a video game where I get to program stuff is pretty much tailor-made for me.

    8 votes
    1. Protected
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      Have you finished Manufactoria yet? If you prefer written code I suggest Quadrilateral Cowboy or Else Heart.Break() .

      Have you finished Manufactoria yet?

      If you prefer written code I suggest Quadrilateral Cowboy or Else Heart.Break() .

  17. [3]
    gingerbeardman
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    MaBoShi, without any hesitation. It reviewed very well on release, and is still in the upper echelons of Wii game ratings on Metacritic today. But given its niche platform—WiiWare and DS download...

    MaBoShi, without any hesitation.

    It reviewed very well on release, and is still in the upper echelons of Wii game ratings on Metacritic today. But given its niche platform—WiiWare and DS download play—it wasn't widely experienced. But those that did spend time with it recognise its greatness. It was in the book "1001 Video Games You Must Play Before You Die", if that helps add weight.

    It's an inventive action/skill game and technically 3-games-in-1: Circle, Square, & Bar. Circle = physics, Square = turn-based, Bar = Reaction. All three are super deep in terms of gameplay and scoring mechanisms, which is more impressive when you realise they're essentially one button games. On Wii there's an extra layer of game design because three separate games can be happening at once and can affect each other. At a glance the package can seem quite abstract, but only in the same way as, say, pinball. It's very much an arcade game; there's no story or scenario to be found. Circle game is quite possibly my favourite game of all time—masterpiece.

    Of course WiiWare no longer exists, so it's only going to get less attention going forward. You'll need to play it through the wonders of emulation (Wii or DS). The DS ROM was extracted from the WiiWare game, so I play it on my iPhone which is just great.

    Yes, I'm still playing it 16 years after release. 😎

    Useful links:

    7 votes
    1. [2]
      jwong
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      Was taking the train home and set it up over cellular. Circle is really fun! I initially had some trouble controlling it, but once I understood it, realised there’s a lot of depth to the gameplay....

      Was taking the train home and set it up over cellular. Circle is really fun! I initially had some trouble controlling it, but once I understood it, realised there’s a lot of depth to the gameplay. Still struggling with the other games, but can see a lot of replayability already.

      Thanks for the Delta skins as well! Makes for a very nice UI on the phone.

      2 votes
      1. gingerbeardman
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        My pleasure. Have fun. All three games were designed by Kuniake Watanabe and brought together for MaBoShi. Circle existed as a prototype in Flash Lite. Square existed as a prototype in HSP. Bar...

        My pleasure. Have fun. All three games were designed by Kuniake Watanabe and brought together for MaBoShi. Circle existed as a prototype in Flash Lite. Square existed as a prototype in HSP. Bar was created during development, which was of course a team effort.

        2 votes
  18. [3]
    clayh
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    Oxygen Not Included: this is one of the most complex and rewarding simulations out there. It’s a super fun trial and error sandbox that continues to deliver interesting challenges long after most...

    Oxygen Not Included: this is one of the most complex and rewarding simulations out there. It’s a super fun trial and error sandbox that continues to deliver interesting challenges long after most games have fully revealed their content. It’s almost like the Factorio of simulations, if that makes any sense.

    Brogue Community Edition: This is a FOSS ASCII title that took the premise of the original Rogue and continues to develop it. The gameplay loop is tight, the ASCII graphics are extremely well done, and it’s a blast to share game seeds with friends to see who can get furthest in a given instance of the game. You can download the latest release from the Releases page here: https://github.com/tmewett/BrogueCE

    7 votes
    1. [2]
      gco
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      I love simulation and colony management games but was never able to get into Oxygen Not Included. My main issue is that the problems you need to overcome for your colony to thrive were not fun to...

      I love simulation and colony management games but was never able to get into Oxygen Not Included. My main issue is that the problems you need to overcome for your colony to thrive were not fun to solve, and sometimes solving those creates additional problems which became tedious eventually.

      3 votes
      1. whs
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        I was going to refund since the opening moves of the game feels very set - you have to build toilet, find water, build beds, compost, then start figuring out food. Then I found that I could set it...

        I was going to refund since the opening moves of the game feels very set - you have to build toilet, find water, build beds, compost, then start figuring out food. Then I found that I could set it to very easy. This make the colonist can live for a week without food. This make the early game more fun since the time limit is like 30 cycles instead of a 5 cycles. After that it was building using community blueprints (which was tedious to replicate since many are very packed)

        I got that colony to almost mined out the entire map except for space barrier and the lava space. The only problems I run into is that waterlocks are very hard to build (mods can simplify that), I need infinite liquid storage to deal with geysers and while thermal management is not yet a problem I could forsee it become a problem in another 200 cycles or so. They now broke Pacubox (pacu fish can grow to mature with zero food, so only a handful breeders need to be fed) I believe, so I haven't logged into that save since.

        1 vote
  19. [2]
    PetitPrince
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    The Tetris the Grand Master series (1999, 2001, 2005, arcade; now available on Switch and PS4/5) is the Dark Souls of Tetris you never knew it existed. I consider it a masterpiece for same reason...

    The Tetris the Grand Master series (1999, 2001, 2005, arcade; now available on Switch and PS4/5) is the Dark Souls of Tetris you never knew it existed. I consider it a masterpiece for same reason Dark Souls is one: it's a game made to challenge the player and where growth of the player itself is expected, and the whole game is carved around this concept. If brevity is wit, then this game is at least on the level of Oscar Wilde.

    But it's not difficulty for difficulty's sake either: there's was a deliberate reflexion on both adding elements to make Tetris harder but also giving the player the tools to overcome it. Again: it's more Dark Souls in this approach than the die-and-retry custom levels of Mario Maker.

    There's a lot to explain if we were to cover all that was changed compared to previous version, but the skinny version is this:

    Difficulty in Tetris is speed. There's an upper bound to speed in which the player cannot physically move the piece fast enough to survive.

    So we give the player to three mechanical tools to survive : first is fast movement, second is allowing the piece to move a bit after it has landed, and third is easier rotation against obstacles.

    With that you have unlocked a whole new game within the game. It's a game that have vastly less degrees of freedom than before, and where each decision can have dramatic consequence.
    It's thrilling like a high speed chase, and requires both good reaction time and forethought. All the while having the exact same control and general logic than before. It's still Tetris! You are still stacking, and doing four lines at once is still valuable.

    The sensation is a bit similar to discovering the inverted castle in Symphony of the Night. It's as if the game was telling you "you seem to handle OK. How about I increase the challenge with a twist?".

    If you want learn more:

    /u/kfwyre is probably tired of me repeating the same thing over and over on Tildes, but I don't care I love those game so much :D

    6 votes
    1. kfwyre
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      Not tired of it at all! The opposite actually: I love hearing your earnest enthusiasm for the game every time you bring it up. I also have the utmost respect and esteem for high-level Tetris...

      Not tired of it at all! The opposite actually: I love hearing your earnest enthusiasm for the game every time you bring it up.

      I also have the utmost respect and esteem for Oscar Wilde fans high-level Tetris players. 😁

      5 votes
  20. JoshuaJ
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    Star Citizen. I think it’s unconventional because it’s still in Alpha after 10 years or something. Has been given 100’s of millions of dollars in funding. And it’s still a broken mess. But, the...

    Star Citizen.

    I think it’s unconventional because it’s still in Alpha after 10 years or something. Has been given 100’s of millions of dollars in funding. And it’s still a broken mess.

    But, the technology that runs the thing is a marvel. Many people think it’s a scam, but what they have built is literally miles better than any game ever made.

    The whole persistent universe with no loading screens, you take a train out of the city to the space port, an elevator to your launch pad and then take off into space, all in one living breathing world with other players doing stuff, no loading screens. It’s all happening in real time and the resolution from room to ship to planet including atmosphere and clouds, is just mind blowing.

    Recent updates have made combat and flight arguably worse, so I don’t know if I’ll ever even play it again, but the limitless potential of really living in accurate space on a big cool ship is inspiring. It’s a masterpiece that never was, for want of scope creep and bad execution of brilliant ideas and techniques

    6 votes
  21. Thomas-C
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    I think I'd call Exanima one of those. It is an exceedingly difficult game to learn, and looks particularly silly when you're still getting over the learning curve. I could see most folks picking...

    I think I'd call Exanima one of those.

    It is an exceedingly difficult game to learn, and looks particularly silly when you're still getting over the learning curve. I could see most folks picking it up, thinking it was janky dogshit and dropping it, because it looks like weird marionettes flailing on each other and doesn't tell you a damn thing about what to do. It's that if you push past, meet it where it's at and get competent at the combat, I just don't know of a game that feels quite as dynamic and immersive.

    It's all about realism by way of making everything stick to a physics system. When you make a character, it matters how tall you are and what your body shape is - a short, stout character cant move very far very quickly but just about can't be knocked over. They can swing a heavy weapon in a solid way and recover fast. A tall, wiry one can create/close distance incredibly well, but you can knock yourself over swinging around too wildly. They have a reach advantage but cant hit as hard, perhaps meaning you're better off with an edged weapon. Different weapons feel different to use, because some are heavier, longer, or have a different balance despite being the same type. The weight of armor impacts your speed and maneuverability, as well as the minute ways you move when you're fighting. This applies to enemies too, and you can use their gear as an advantage - a guy in heavy plate can't turn as fast, and takes longer to recover if they're knocked off balance. Monsters aren't human, they move very differently and often much faster, which is legit scary when you're used to slow zombies and human opponents.

    The consequence of this approach is that you have to give it your full attention. It takes a lot of practice to survive, and then a lot more practice to look like you know what you're doing. But once you do, it is just the most satisfying thing. When you make just the right move, swing hard and clock a dude so hard he crumples and hits a wall, it's awesome. When you learn a difficult weapon, like a flail or a halberd, you can use physics to your advantage and swing folks around/trip them up. You can learn magic that blasts folks' feet out from under them, and place objects around to try to maximize how long they'll be stuck unable to fight you. In combat, you can do stuff like duck under a high attack and stab forward, or back step just out of reach then lunge. It's dynamic in a way I've yet to see another game accomplish, even something coming from Fromsoft or the like. It looks plain, but when you're in it it's demanding just enough of your attention that you don't really have the space for thinking about how stuff looks, you're too busy making sure you aren't getting clipped by a blade or getting backed into a corner.

    The actual content is top notch too. The dungeon is large and complex, highly detailed, and you have to pay attention to know where you're going. Maps are made of paper. You can't see where you are on them, and you need to find something like a compass to know how you're oriented. You need to look closely at what's on tables and underneath things, move stuff around to find important or helpful stuff. Combat is tense and enemies often surprise you - the zombie might seem slow, but then they manage to rear back and swing wide and now you've got 1/3 of your bar going red because you stepped too soon. Later on, when you encounter monsters in places like a ruined town and the sewer system, they come out of nowhere and in groups. It's legit pretty scary when one gets close and grapples you. Big things, like an ogre or a demon, can knock you so hard you fly across a room, or perhaps across a table which sends dishware and cups and stuff flying.

    I think what makes it a masterpiece is that it achieves making you feel like you're really in it, at least as best as that can happen considering you're pressing buttons and moving sticks. It's so completely dedicated to a certain kind of realism that the resulting experience outclasses a whole lot of stuff I've played. It's hard to recommend but with time and patience I think anyone who pushes through would feel similar about it.

    6 votes
  22. [2]
    Monte_Kristo
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    Gotta be Kid Icarus Uprising. It's got a real weird control scheme that both filters players and makes it significantly harder to port, but it's also the cornerstone for why the game is so good....

    Gotta be Kid Icarus Uprising. It's got a real weird control scheme that both filters players and makes it significantly harder to port, but it's also the cornerstone for why the game is so good. Fun, truly unique gameplay with a great story and music. It just also hurts some people's hands.

    5 votes
    1. Lapbunny
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      I viscerally hate KIU's controls... Lefties need not apply. Hope it gets a port, though.

      I viscerally hate KIU's controls... Lefties need not apply. Hope it gets a port, though.

      1 vote
  23. [4]
    Finnalin
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    While still in development, voices of the void, is one of my top 3 games ever played. It is honestly one of the best atmospheric horror games, though don't get me wrong it's not pee your pants...

    While still in development, voices of the void, is one of my top 3 games ever played. It is honestly one of the best atmospheric horror games, though don't get me wrong it's not pee your pants scary! Best part is it's super cheap (technically free) on ichio

    You play as dr kel, recording singals from space, while maintaining the base and getting your weekly job done (there's an incentive to do your job but you're free to do anything)

    5 votes
    1. [3]
      kfwyre
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      Interesting! I recently tried but unfortunately bounced off of Signal Simulator. I loved the concept but didn’t like the execution. This game seems like another take on the same concept. Do you...

      Interesting! I recently tried but unfortunately bounced off of Signal Simulator. I loved the concept but didn’t like the execution.

      This game seems like another take on the same concept. Do you know if the dev given any sort of timeline for the full release?

      2 votes
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        Finnalin
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        Signal simulator is its inspiration I believe! And votv is much much better imo. I don't think there's a timeline but the game has multiple dozens of hours currently available with more content...

        Signal simulator is its inspiration I believe! And votv is much much better imo.

        I don't think there's a timeline but the game has multiple dozens of hours currently available with more content about twiceish a year it seems. We just got 0.8 a couple days ago actually.

        Understandable if you want to wait but totally fun now too!

        1 vote
        1. kfwyre
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          I'm definitely a wait-until-it's-fully-cooked kind of gamer, but I'm adding it to my list and keeping an eye on it. Thanks for putting it on my radar. (pun definitely intended!)

          I'm definitely a wait-until-it's-fully-cooked kind of gamer, but I'm adding it to my list and keeping an eye on it. Thanks for putting it on my radar. (pun definitely intended!)

          2 votes
  24. boxer_dogs_dance
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    This War of Mine does an excellent job making you feel civilian experience in a war zone. It is rightly hard to win and when you do it is very satisfying. And for a low budget game, I love the...

    This War of Mine does an excellent job making you feel civilian experience in a war zone. It is rightly hard to win and when you do it is very satisfying. And for a low budget game, I love the aesthetic

    5 votes
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    Seems like a lot of replies are just popular games. I'll take a swing. Days Gone for PlayStation. Reviewers trashed it, it had a super buggy launch, and the sequel was cancelled due to poor sales....

    Seems like a lot of replies are just popular games. I'll take a swing.

    Days Gone for PlayStation.

    Reviewers trashed it, it had a super buggy launch, and the sequel was cancelled due to poor sales.

    Once they fixed the bugs after about a month, it was a really incredible game. The quality of the writing is a bit inconsistent, but the moment to moment gameplay and atmosphere are unparalleled in many ways.

    I'll never forget the first time I was playing, riding my motorcycle through the thick woods of the Pacific Northwest and taking in the sights while scrounging for supplies. Then, as soon as I realize my motorcycle is running out of gas, I notice the sun is almost down and I hear the sound of approaching zombies. That was the moment I fell in love with that game.

    5 votes
    1. NPC
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      As a motorcyclist who lives in the Pacific Northwest, that game is my ultimate zen in many ways.

      As a motorcyclist who lives in the Pacific Northwest, that game is my ultimate zen in many ways.

      2 votes
  26. ogre
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    Chibi-Robo! Plug Into Adventure!: I have met a total of 1 other person who’s even heard of this game since 2005. We both agree it’s an overlooked masterpiece, like many games from the GameCube...

    Chibi-Robo! Plug Into Adventure!: I have met a total of 1 other person who’s even heard of this game since 2005. We both agree it’s an overlooked masterpiece, like many games from the GameCube era. I haven’t played it for nearly 20 years but it sticks out prominently in my memory of that period.

    You play as a small toy/cleaning robot brought home by a father in a struggling relationship to play with their oddball daughter. It offers a rewarding world to explore, which is just a regular house and backyard. Not to be cliché but I love the metroidvania aspects of exploration in worlds like these. You have to be at the right place at the right time with the right tool to advance the story. The story itself is a bit dramatic for a children’s game especially for that time, putting you in the middle of their dysfunction and discovering the ancient lore of their problems that have been swept under the rug. A father with honesty and money problems, a mother who can’t cope, and a possibly neurodivergent daughter is a cast I think ahead of its time. All of this baked in with a cute art style, tons of mini games and missions, with just the right amount of silliness. I think it’s a perfect game for kids.

    5 votes
  27. Crespyl
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    Miasmata is the product of just two brothers IIRC, whose previous work was mostly just a handful of small games for Windows Mobile/PocketPC. Misasmata is an ambitious game about finding a cure for...

    Miasmata is the product of just two brothers IIRC, whose previous work was mostly just a handful of small games for Windows Mobile/PocketPC.

    Misasmata is an ambitious game about finding a cure for a disease while exploring and mapping a big island, and there may or may not be a monster hunting you. Your character is diseased and weak, but highly organized, with the tidy little notebook and map making up most of the diagetic UI. You stumble around the gorgeous map with a weird physics driven movenment system that has you trudging up hills and trying to keep your balance half-falling back down.

    It's more than a little obtuse and janky, being a mostly (entirely?) custom engine, but it's one of the more immersive games I've ever played, and the cartography mechanic is both satisfying and unlike anything I've seen in other games.

    4 votes
  28. Bwerf
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    Candy box and candy box 2 made some great merging of different game styles just over ten years ago, they were a joy to explore. Original sites are down, but you can play them for free here:...

    Candy box and candy box 2 made some great merging of different game styles just over ten years ago, they were a joy to explore. Original sites are down, but you can play them for free here: https://candybox2.wordpress.com/

    4 votes
  29. llehsadam
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    My go to games as a kid were 2D isometric city builders and probably the pinnacle of beautiful graphics in that genre is Emperor: Rise of the Middle Kingdom by Impressions Games. The genre died...

    My go to games as a kid were 2D isometric city builders and probably the pinnacle of beautiful graphics in that genre is Emperor: Rise of the Middle Kingdom by Impressions Games.

    The genre died around then and now has come back, spearheaded by indie developers. It’s kind of cool to see it back.

    3 votes
  30. Akir
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    Alone in the Dark. Not the original, but the second game commercially released under that same exact name. Also not the ones that were released for PS2 and Wiii, but the one for PS3, Xbox 360, and...

    Alone in the Dark. Not the original, but the second game commercially released under that same exact name. Also not the ones that were released for PS2 and Wiii, but the one for PS3, Xbox 360, and PC specifically. More realistically just the PS3 version. No, not the game that came out this year with the same name.

    It may just be the most technically ambitious video game ever made, which was also probably why it ended up being so terrible: it was released as a buggy mess. An early car chase sequence, for instance, would have been really epic, if only you could be reasonably expected to finish driving through it without the terrible car physics getting in the way and causing you to drop off out of the level geometry. Specifically, the last jump that is supposed to land you safely in Central Park is not scripted well enough to work, so you’ll have to keep playing it over and over again to get it to work properly and continue playing the game. And that’s ignoring the huge cornucopia of small bugs and irritants that built up from them throughout the game.

    But when it does work, it’s pretty impressive. It’s got fairly realistic fire effects. If you run into a door, you can burn it down. You can pick up a fire extinguisher to bash in the door, or you can put out the fire when it’s done enough. You can waggle a joystick to waggle objects in your hand, say a burning chair. You can toss a bottle of alcohol and shoot it in midair to turn it into a firebomb. There’s no health meter; instead damage just shows up on your body. Your inventory system is the pockets in your jacket. Atari nee Infogrames really wanted this to be the showcase game for the decade.

    That being said, these systems don’t necessarily make the game very fun. The inventory system was really restrictive, especially because you realistically only had two hands, so it was hard to juggle everything the way you needed to. The damage system would have been fine, except it’s all just internally a HP variable and that damage shows up as poorly added textures that made it look like you had just got some patches of gross skin stuck on your clothes, and healing kind of just looked like you were wiping them off. And of course the graphics looked pretty good for the time, but they have certainly not held up.

    The thing is, though, that the game is actually pretty amazing in spite of all the negatives. A lot of those problems with the gameplay aren’t actually bugs; they’re just emergent properties of the systems they designed. There’s actually a lot of really good design in place in the game, too: there’s a lot of little puzzles you’ll come across that will need pretty inventive solutions that you need to figure out how to solve. And the music is fantastic; it’s got a reactive score by Olivier Derivier, and it features The Mystery of the Bulgarian Voices.

    But the bugs were too severe on launch and it killed the public’s interest in the game. The only version of the game you should try is the PS3 version, which got delayed and and as a result has a number of bug fixes that don’t seem to have ever been implemented in the PC or 360 versions of the game. The other releases are actually completely different games made by different teams. One of these days I need to try to play the Wii version; it’s supposedly terrible but I’m curious because it was made by Hydravision, the French developers who made the Obscure games.

    3 votes
  31. Protected
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    Happy's Humble Burger Farm in my humble opinion is a good candidate for the best horror game ever made. It's janky and goofy and it's hard to explain without ruining the mood progression. I'll...

    Happy's Humble Burger Farm in my humble opinion is a good candidate for the best horror game ever made. It's janky and goofy and it's hard to explain without ruining the mood progression. I'll just say you play as a fast food chain employee with a very stressful job. (Or do you?)

    3 votes
  32. Stranger
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    Tunic First, what I think holds it back. Tunic is a Souls-like puzzle game that presents itself like a 2.5D Zelda clone. You can play through the game from start to finish and only engage in it as...

    Tunic

    First, what I think holds it back. Tunic is a Souls-like puzzle game that presents itself like a 2.5D Zelda clone. You can play through the game from start to finish and only engage in it as that unique Souls-like with some mild puzzles and it would be...fine.

    The combat is not very deep but it's varied enough to keep things interesting. The soundtrack is phenomenal and the art in the game's in-game manual (put a pin in that) is uncannily reminiscent of early 90's gaming in the best possible way. The difficulty curve is all over the place; you'll go forever without sweating only to hit moments requiring near perfect play in order to proceed. I'm talking "SL1 Dark Souls 3 run" difficult. It can be jarring and insanely frustrating in a way that I don't think would be fun for people who don't like bashing their head through a brick wall. On the bright side, there are (what can generously be called) "difficulty accessibility options" which allow you to turn off stamina or damage if things get too difficult. I like breaking through frustration, but I 100% recommend enabling those if it means someone can finish the game without souring on it. The story provided through the normal ending is interesting enough with some twists.

    You can play the game like that and it's alright. A fun little Zelda-clone Souls-like with some great atmosphere, but not much to write home about otherwise. I expect a lot of people either stoped halfway or beat the game like this and called it a day or watched trailers and think it's just not for them.

    But that's only half of what Tunic is.

    I called it a Zelda-clone before because if you only play it liit'shat, that's all it really is. A Souls-like with a Zelda aesthetic. When you take the full picture though, it's a very loving homage to 90's era Zelda. It's also not primarily a Souls-like; it's a Witness-like.

    Tunic's greatness, what shoots it up into the highest tiers of the gaming echelon imho, is it's puzzles. Like The Witness and Outer Wilds, Tunic hides an incredible amount of secrets in plain sight, leaving a trail of breadcrumbs to follow until you reach a point where the veil comes off and the things you learn completely recontextualize the game you've been playing this whole time. Very few games are able to induce this type of "Holy shit" moment as effectively (honestly, only The Witness and Outer Wilds compare imho).

    The big gimmick with Tunic is that there is an in-game manual reminiscent of old school manuals that came with games back in the day. The manual explains everything you need to know about the game: mechanics, lore, hints and tips, maps of each area. There are even hand-written notes scrawled in pen throughout as if from the previous owner of the game's physical media. The catch is that everything in the manual and in the game is made in a (totally decipherable) made-up language. The experience has been described like buying a used game at a garage sale only to find out when you got home that it's in Japanese.

    As you play, you find more missing pages of the manual which reveal more information, mostly through context (since you can't read the language). It's very effective and there are multiple layers of puzzles (including a whole ARG, but I have mixed opinions of ARGs in general so I won't go into that). Finding every page of the manual will require, among other things, solving one of the most intricate and satisfying puzzles I've ever come across in gaming: The Holy Cross and The Mountain Door. Of course, finding the full manual unlocks the true ending which, along with translating some of the lore, again recontextualizes the game.

    Altogether, it is a damn impressive achievement of a game especially considering that it was the work of a single dev. I highly, highly recommend anyone with an interest in puzzle games or knowledge-based games to give it a try.

    TL;DR: Tunic is like an onion. It has layers. Unfortunately, the outer layer undersells how amazing the lower layers are.

    3 votes
  33. whs
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    I recently completed Hypnospace Outlaw and I loved that game. When I first heard of it as one of the detective games like Obra Dinn and stuff where you have to trawl through data to progress in...

    I recently completed Hypnospace Outlaw and I loved that game. When I first heard of it as one of the detective games like Obra Dinn and stuff where you have to trawl through data to progress in the case.

    What I didn't expect is that the game is a heartfelt love letter to the Geocities-era internet.

    3 votes
  34. MimicSquid
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    Everhood. The shorthand explanation is Undertale if it was a rhythm game instead of a bullet hell, and it's got a truly excellent soundtrack to make each fight enjoyable at any difficulty level....

    Everhood. The shorthand explanation is Undertale if it was a rhythm game instead of a bullet hell, and it's got a truly excellent soundtrack to make each fight enjoyable at any difficulty level. Looking back at the Steam store page I see it broke the 10,000 review mark, so it's not unknown, but it does have an Overwhelmingly Positive rating at 10,000 reviews, which I think supports the "masterpiece" bit of my claim. It's absolutely worth checking out. The soundtrack is here if you want to hear what you're getting into before you play.

    2 votes