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Tips for becoming a tea person

Sadly, I think I need to reduce my coffee intake. I only ever had a cup a day, but I've always been in to light roasts... roasted within walking distance of my house*... super fancy shit. Anyway, I'm trying to nail down some health things, so coffee has to go for a time.

I am now a tea person. I don't really like it, but I need something like that in the morning. I've started with Lapsang Souchong. This is pretty much the only tea I've ever had. I don't have any dairy in my diet, either, which seems to be a big part of tea-life.

Any top tips for getting into tea? I was just mocked for weighing tea... I guess that isn't as important in this scene.

* not joking about this :)

edit: thanks everybody! the first round of teas are:

  • Lapsang Souchong
  • Hojicha
  • Irish Breakfast
  • Margaret's Hope

so far so good!

102 comments

  1. [9]
    DesktopMonitor
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    Water temperature, dose, and steeping time definitely affect the quality of the finished cup. I’d recommend looking up guidelines for the particular tea you are drinking. *don’t worry about the...

    Water temperature, dose, and steeping time definitely affect the quality of the finished cup. I’d recommend looking up guidelines for the particular tea you are drinking.

    *don’t worry about the people who say it is odd to care about these things. They’ll love your tea.

    26 votes
    1. [2]
      Asinine
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      Definitely this, as various teas actually are way better with the proper steeping times and temperatures. I am the worst person at being snooty, or for tea, sort of "fine dining"esque, but I've...

      Definitely this, as various teas actually are way better with the proper steeping times and temperatures. I am the worst person at being snooty, or for tea, sort of "fine dining"esque, but I've also recently been doing two cups of mostly decaf in the mornings at work (I do one keurig cup of decaf [12oz] and every other day brew one carafe of "real" coffee and top off the remaining 6 ounces with that), and then using some fine tea mixes we picked up over at a pretty cool tea and spice shop about an hourish+ away.
      Also, if it's not an apple or fruity herbal tea, I will typically add milk. If it is apple or fruity herbal and does well with lemon, I will often add that and honey.
      I generally do not add sweeteners, but I did get a very delightful chai mix (with numerous real semi-crushed cardamom!) which is enhanced with a slight amount of sweetness with the milk. And as aforementioned, if lemon is a nice addition so is honey.

      Edit: Also a while ago I picked up some tumeric tea from Amazon, and it was okay both with the lemon/honey combo or just a splash of milk, but then I started experimenting with grinding my own spices. I had some black tea I hadn't touched in a while at the time so I tried my own chai mix, also did some Christmas-y mulled-wine type options, and was eyeing doing dried fruit types, but I lost interest (and we also moved at that time). So depending on your preference or desire, there are MANY options available, whether you want to take the time to do them yourself or just buy a predone option.

      6 votes
    2. [6]
      slade
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      I'm curious about water temperature. I'm a regular tea drinker and my process is generous leaves, boiling water, very short steep. I drink green tea and find that it goes bitter quickly if I steep...

      I'm curious about water temperature. I'm a regular tea drinker and my process is generous leaves, boiling water, very short steep. I drink green tea and find that it goes bitter quickly if I steep for long, but if I get it just right it's mellow and almost sweet.

      2 votes
      1. [4]
        0x29A
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        I think you're happening to achieve something similar by keeping your steeps extremely short, as that's also a big factor. But if you're going for longer steeps (especially Western style brews vs....

        I think you're happening to achieve something similar by keeping your steeps extremely short, as that's also a big factor. But if you're going for longer steeps (especially Western style brews vs. the short gong fu ones), keeping the temps lower will help keep the green tea from becoming overly bitter or astringent. They are two of many different threads you can pull on to change your brew, and you've found the right balance for yourself.

        For Japanese greens like Gyokuro, Sencha, etc I do something like 70C/160F. For Chinese green tea, depends on the tea, but often a bit higher (80C/175F). If I'm gongfu brewing (super short steeps) I tend to be a bit less worried about the temps, though. But a lower temp gongfu can sometimes really hit the spot too

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        1. slade
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          What a rabbit hole. I looked up gong fu tea in Wikipedia and learned a lot of new things. I've never once tried less than boiling water because I always thought you needed that for good tea. As I...

          What a rabbit hole. I looked up gong fu tea in Wikipedia and learned a lot of new things. I've never once tried less than boiling water because I always thought you needed that for good tea. As I mentioned, I get good results "if I get it just right" but I think the super hot temp is probably making my margin for error razor thin.

          I have an under sink hot water unit and I usually move that water to the stove to get it all the way up to billing. If I can get better tea without the teapot step, my life will be changed forever for the better.

          4 votes
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          NaraVara
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          Are you actually measuring temps? I’m usually going by vague heuristics like “can I put my finger in the water and hold it there?”

          Are you actually measuring temps? I’m usually going by vague heuristics like “can I put my finger in the water and hold it there?”

          1. 0x29A
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            Yes, I preheat all teaware involved with hot water from the kettle to minimize heat loss, and then I dial in my kettle to the exact temperature I want (I have one that lets you choose in 1C/1F...

            Yes, I preheat all teaware involved with hot water from the kettle to minimize heat loss, and then I dial in my kettle to the exact temperature I want (I have one that lets you choose in 1C/1F increments and monitors the temperature in the idle kettle after the heating is done)

            I also stay aware of temp losses that might occur by storing hot water in a thermos/carafe, etc for times where only the first brew is directly from the kettle. I do have a thermometer if I need to check water anywhere outside the kettle, though I do that much less often

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      2. DesktopMonitor
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        I can say that green tea is definitely not a straight off the boil tea. Japanese hot water kettles have all got a 91-92 degree setting for green tea. That said, I would check the recommendations...

        I can say that green tea is definitely not a straight off the boil tea. Japanese hot water kettles have all got a 91-92 degree setting for green tea. That said, I would check the recommendations for your specific variety.

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  2. [14]
    stu2b50
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    I'm sure there'll be plenty of the European (mostly British) side of Tea drinking, so I'll talk about the Chinese style of tea drinking. Starting with the differences, tea in china is typically...

    I'm sure there'll be plenty of the European (mostly British) side of Tea drinking, so I'll talk about the Chinese style of tea drinking.

    Starting with the differences, tea in china is typically brewed loose leaf, and differently from British loose leaf, an intact leaf is prized. Tea is brewed in a very small vessel - maybe 1/4rd of a cup - and brewed for a short amount of time. The tea is brewed multiple times - for something like a pu'er, that can be 10+ steeps. The person making the tea adjusts the brew time by taste over time.

    There are a few varieties of tea:

    Green Tea is the most commonly drunk type of tea. It needs to be fresh, and every spring the newest crop is the most prized.

    White Tea is a Green Tea but with even less processing. Almost nothing more than the tea leaves after being dried. The herbal and grassy notes are amplified.

    Red Tea is what most Brits would call black tea. It's oxidized and has a deeper, richer taste.

    Raw Pu'er is a fermented type of tea with a smooth, deeper, almost nutty taste. I would wager almost no white people have ever tasted this, despite being fairly popular in China.

    Ripe Pu'er is a more deeply fermented type of tea. The flavor is very strong, and has an almost earthy note to it. Often dried orange peels are added. Often recommended as a substitute for coffee because of strength of flavor.


    No milk or sugar is added, as that masks the flavor.

    I was just mocked for weighing tea...

    I would say that this is somewhat in the culture. Chinese tea, unlike coffee, is a elongated experience. Coffee is brewed once - therefore, precision is required to get the optimal extraction. Tea is not like that. A tea master does not measure how much tea they use, because they don't need to. They change the length of the brew time based on taste. If they added "too much" in the first steep, in the next steep the steep time will be shorter, and vice versa. It's a "feel it" kind of thing, rather than the chemical precision of coffee brewing.

    As for where to buy it online, this is a tea shop run by a youtuber https://jessesteahouse.com. Prices are very high, but shipping is better, the tea is high quality, and you get more instructions about how to use it.

    For a more wholesale experience, go to https://yunnansourcing.com.

    19 votes
    1. [6]
      DesktopMonitor
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      Almost. The pu’er in my cupboard tastes like a one thousand year old library.

      would wager almost no white people have ever tasted this, despite being fairly popular in China.

      Almost. The pu’er in my cupboard tastes like a one thousand year old library.

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        rabbidearz
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        This sounds amazing

        This sounds amazing

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        1. DesktopMonitor
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          It is. I’ve never smelled or tasted anything else remotely like it in my life. I’ve kept the last couple pellets for years now. I won’t drink the last one until I’ve found another supply.

          It is. I’ve never smelled or tasted anything else remotely like it in my life. I’ve kept the last couple pellets for years now. I won’t drink the last one until I’ve found another supply.

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        togglebox
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        Me too! I tell my friends that it tastes like dirt, but in a good way. Like a fresh mountain river.

        Me too! I tell my friends that it tastes like dirt, but in a good way. Like a fresh mountain river.

        1. slade
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          I want to laugh, but I tell my friends (usually in response to "what kind of tea do you like" for gifting purposes) that I like my tea to taste like hot leaf water. The fancy herbal sets are...

          I want to laugh, but I tell my friends (usually in response to "what kind of tea do you like" for gifting purposes) that I like my tea to taste like hot leaf water. The fancy herbal sets are visually attractive as gifts but I'm always secretly disappointed to receive them.

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        2. 0x29A
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          I love a good "forest floor + sweetness" ripe pu'er. There's something so comfy about the woody/leafy, "fresh rain", etc kind of flavor profile, and often I find ripes round that out with a bit of...

          I love a good "forest floor + sweetness" ripe pu'er. There's something so comfy about the woody/leafy, "fresh rain", etc kind of flavor profile, and often I find ripes round that out with a bit of vanilla/cherry/etc

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    2. entitled-entilde
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      I’m a big coffee drinker, but I also love tea primarily because of the multiple steeping factor. You get to enjoy the drink over a much longer period, taste the differences between steeps, etc.

      I’m a big coffee drinker, but I also love tea primarily because of the multiple steeping factor. You get to enjoy the drink over a much longer period, taste the differences between steeps, etc.

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    3. FrankGrimes
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      This is interesting to me - I've somewhat recently (the last year or so) gotten more into the loose leaf teas - mostly buying stuff from the Steeping Room site, but a lot of standard green teas. I...

      A tea master does not measure how much tea they use

      This is interesting to me - I've somewhat recently (the last year or so) gotten more into the loose leaf teas - mostly buying stuff from the Steeping Room site, but a lot of standard green teas. I tend to follow their recommendations for (g/oz of water), along with temps and steeping times - they seem to be a really good starting point. Having said that, I'm typically just brewing one cup, and I'll usually do 2 or so steeps of the same leaves.

      It's all very enjoyable to me - adjusting temperatures and times a little bit and seeing how it comes out. It's relaxing, in a way.

      3 votes
    4. [2]
      maple
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      I like my coffee earthy and strong, my beers dark etc. Your description of ripe pu’er has made me determined to try it! Thank you for the insights!

      I like my coffee earthy and strong, my beers dark etc. Your description of ripe pu’er has made me determined to try it! Thank you for the insights!

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      1. Minori
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        It's a little bit like an IPA I'd say? Don't expect the same body as a beer or coffee. It's a unique experience. I'd say they're light yet pungent.

        It's a little bit like an IPA I'd say? Don't expect the same body as a beer or coffee. It's a unique experience. I'd say they're light yet pungent.

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    5. [2]
      tomf
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      ok! this is excellent and exactly what I'm after :) I have some dandelion root tea that was pitched as 'replace your coffee', but it tastes like bad diner coffee (which has its place.) I've been...

      ok! this is excellent and exactly what I'm after :) I have some dandelion root tea that was pitched as 'replace your coffee', but it tastes like bad diner coffee (which has its place.)

      I've been to some decent tea houses and had several rounds of the same tea... so all of that totally checks out. Good comparison, though. It all kind of clicked.

      Oddly enough, I was briefly a tea wholesaler. I was using Earl Grey in some products and ended up selling a lot of 25lb boxes of tea.

      thanks so much!

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      1. tanglisha
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        If you have easy access to a tea house, go there and explain like you did here. Specialists love finding something for folks new to their specialty.

        If you have easy access to a tea house, go there and explain like you did here. Specialists love finding something for folks new to their specialty.

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    6. slade
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      Shoot. That all sounds like an interesting experience. I've been to one high end Chinese restaurant in Boston, and wonder if I received one of these teas. It fit the description, but back then I...

      Shoot. That all sounds like an interesting experience. I've been to one high end Chinese restaurant in Boston, and wonder if I received one of these teas. It fit the description, but back then I didn't drink tea so I wouldn't have noticed anything about it.

      I'm bookmarking this and making a project out of it.

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    redbearsam
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    I'll drink upwards of 10 teas a day, though largely your standard fare. The Earl or something Yorkshirey, so perhaps not the sort of artisinal thing you're after. I would advocate for oatmilk as -...

    I'll drink upwards of 10 teas a day, though largely your standard fare. The Earl or something Yorkshirey, so perhaps not the sort of artisinal thing you're after.

    I would advocate for oatmilk as - generally - the optimum plant milk for a brew.

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    1. sandaltree
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      Do note that the sugar in oatmilk is much worse than lactose for your teeth. That’s why you should avoid using it between meals; otherwise your teeth are constantly under acid attack.

      Do note that the sugar in oatmilk is much worse than lactose for your teeth. That’s why you should avoid using it between meals; otherwise your teeth are constantly under acid attack.

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    2. Minori
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      Oatmilk is great, with good body and foam factor for tea lattes (if you buy the right oat milk).

      Oatmilk is great, with good body and foam factor for tea lattes (if you buy the right oat milk).

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    toshi
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    Tea snob here with the hot takes. You want to check out gong-fu cha, and more broadly Asian tea cultures over the British tea culture that prevails in the Anglosphere. China cultivated tea for...

    Tea snob here with the hot takes. You want to check out gong-fu cha, and more broadly Asian tea cultures over the British tea culture that prevails in the Anglosphere. China cultivated tea for millennia; tea is a widely varied affair there with a huge gamut of varieties. Britain was introduced to it a few centuries ago as an import that would have hung off the musty ass of a horse for months through sun and rain while it would have crossed the silk road. It's no surprise that they're only into black (i.e. the most oxidized) tea varietals that they then have to add cream and sugar to to make palatable. And screw the haters, measure your tea. I'll measure my tea, water volume, water temperature (definitely get yourself a variable temperature electric kettle), brew durations and brew numbers. It all helps refine and improve the experience.

    P.S. There are other caffeinated beverages too you might like to consider for coffee alternatives besides tea. I also enjoy yerba mate. It brews like a tea but is not made from the leaves of camellia sinensis and thereby, like other herbal infusions, is not a tea.

    8 votes
    1. [4]
      tomf
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      this is my kind of information! I like the idea of tracking et al like I do/did with coffee. I also like that I have an excuse to maybe make my own water again. My tap / filter water is great, but...

      this is my kind of information! I like the idea of tracking et al like I do/did with coffee. I also like that I have an excuse to maybe make my own water again. My tap / filter water is great, but could use a little bump in the minerals.

      I've got a variable temp gooseneck, so I'm good there, too.

      I went though a mate phase and hat this super pimp bombilla with jewels and stuff all over it. it was super tacky and awesome. The guampa i had had a really cool western theme with a ranch.

      ok, this is great. snobs need other snobs like this :)

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      1. [3]
        toshi
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        If you're into coffee to the extent of making your own water then I think gong-fu is definitely going to be of interest to you. I recommend the following course: Look up a couple gong-fu tutorial...

        If you're into coffee to the extent of making your own water then I think gong-fu is definitely going to be of interest to you. I recommend the following course:

        • Look up a couple gong-fu tutorial videos or articles. The very short version is: brew large amounts of leaves for short durations many times. It's a leisurely process where you enjoy the changing experience of the tea as it develops from brew to brew. It's not unusual to keep going for many rounds, though the longevity of a brew will differ by variety and quality. People don't tend to be as scientific with it as they are with coffee, but it's not unheard of to track your results.
        • Acquire a variety of teas, of course. If you live in a major city with a Chinese population, you may have some Chinese tea shops where you should be able to buy small amounts of a wide variety of teas. I rarely go but I've heard that some will let you sample teas in store (paid, I believe), so this could be a good introductory option to ask about. If in-person isn't an option for you, then online stores will hopefully sell sampler sets. Yunnan Sourcing (background note: Yunnan is a major tea-producing province in China) was recommended in another comment. I think they're terrific value but you need to order a bunch to stomach the high international shipping costs (and perhaps tariffs are a factor if you're American?) so maybe there are other online options worth looking at for smaller volumes. If you're American, Yunnan Sourcing has an American distribution site https://yunnansourcing.us/ worth considering for smaller volumes in addition to their main Chinese site https://yunnansourcing.com/.
          • If you're picking teas a la carte and want to experience the whole Chinese tea gamut, I would suggest that the must-try varieties are oolong, puerh, and white teas. Black teas (sometimes called red teas) and green teas are great too but you likely have an idea of what these taste like based on past experience. Oolong you may have drank before too but it's easy drinking and there's a lot of variety in that family of tea so you may as well pick up a couple different types. The fermented production process of puerh tea makes it a challenging acquisition for new drinkers, but it has a huge range of flavour profiles (and prices 👀) and is rated highly by aficionados, so I recommend trying at least one each of sheng and shou puerh. White tea is easy drinking, it's a complex flavour that is very different from black and green teas. Quality wise I think you should prioritize white > sheng > shou > oolong for $/gram for the best experience. Diminishing returns of course apply, and anything more than $1/gram is pretty rich stuff by my broke standards; you'd be doing great to spend half of that imo. But I think nice tea is cheaper than nice coffee almost anywhere; I'd totally be into coffee snobbery too if not for the cost.
        • Gear wise you likely already have everything you need to try this out. The essentials are: a brewing vessel such as a filtered teapot or a basket strainer that will separate the loose leaf from the liquor. Your variable temperature kettle. A food scale or other way to measure both the amount of tea leaves and the amount of water; it should be at least gram-precise, ideally. Things like the fancy tea tray, yixing teapots, tea pets etc. are of course pleasant to have but not at all necessary to get a feel for if you'll enjoy gong-fu cha. The only important thing you might end up needing to get is a tea pick to break apart tea that is packaged as compacted cakes or bricks, as is typical for puerh and some white teas. An awl from the hardware store works just as well, I've heard, but you might be able to get away with a robust knife or whatever pointy implements you have lying around.
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          tomf
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          love it. you should consider writing an ebook or something. My area is mostly chinese, actually, so there's no shortage of places to get anything. Coffee snobbery is out of control. I was picky...

          love it. you should consider writing an ebook or something. My area is mostly chinese, actually, so there's no shortage of places to get anything.

          Coffee snobbery is out of control. I was picky about beans, but I only have an Encore grinder and mostly use an Aeropress. Getting into espresso and the fancy grinders is never ending... and for the amount of coffee I consumed in a day, I might as well just hit up a shop who can pull perfect shots.

          thanks again for this. When trying to go deep on something new, its so nice to have a rational bang-for-your-buck perspective too since this will be a daily thing.

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          1. chocobean
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            @toshi wrote a fantastic post but I'll venture to add a couple comments for just starting out Gungfu is written the same as Kung Fu, but it means taking the time, putting the effort in and being...

            @toshi wrote a fantastic post but I'll venture to add a couple comments for just starting out

            Gungfu is written the same as Kung Fu, but it means taking the time, putting the effort in and being delicate and deliberate about the process, not Martial Arts. So it's not about price either, it's about diligence. Measure, take your time, make your water if you want, do your thing that elevates your experience and screw the haters. Most people don't have time to enjoy a long sit down for tea, but even if one has sit down day of work, one could make it work.

            Think very small pot and very small cup. The progression can still be enjoyed if you are drinking a small quantity over time.

            At the minimal you want three hot water carrying vessels, one larger, one medium, and one small cup that's about volume of one sip. Keep the larger filled with water at the target tea temp, whether in a vacuum pot or pot over low flame or temp controlled percolator etc.

            Warm your medium vessel and cup first before adding leaves to the medium. Then toss the first pour, don't drink cold dusty "beggars tea" (or drink it whatever, but don't serve beggars tea to your guests).

            Aim to fill the leaf containing medium vessel only when you're ready to enjoy a sip. If you want several sips fill it with that much water. Don't let your leaves sit stewing in a cooling water in a large pot. :(


            UBC's Nitobe Gardens has Japanese tea ceremony demos. Your local city Japanese cultural society might have similar, do check.

            And also, although I was raised on good Teochew gungfu tea, I'm a peasant scrub who drinks tea during the work day with minimal fuss. Zojirushi flask, cup with strainer and leaves, plate to rest strainer while I drink, that's it. But at this minimal, I can still make sure I'm not drinking water with tea leaves soaking for the last half hour.

            4 votes
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      TheRtRevKaiser
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      Any tips for Yerba Mate? I tried the traditional way, with a bombilla, and it was like drinking grass clippings. I'm sure I did it wrong, but it was a massive hassle and frankly undrinkable for...

      Any tips for Yerba Mate? I tried the traditional way, with a bombilla, and it was like drinking grass clippings. I'm sure I did it wrong, but it was a massive hassle and frankly undrinkable for me. I've also tried cold-brewed and found it equally difficult to drink, if not quite so rough. I feel like the problem was probably me, but I don't really want to adopt a habit that requires quite that much fussing.

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      1. cfabbro
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        Not who you asked, but I have a Uruguayan friend who I used to drink Yerba Mate with from a traditional gourd and using a bombilla straw. It definitely requires a bit of practice to learn how to...

        Not who you asked, but I have a Uruguayan friend who I used to drink Yerba Mate with from a traditional gourd and using a bombilla straw. It definitely requires a bit of practice to learn how to drink it without getting the leaves in your mouth. ;) And it's also definitely an acquired taste too, which is pretty bitter, super earthy, and grassy tasting; Way moreso than even matcha. So if that's not your thing then it's not your thing, and there is no shame in that. But you could always try it with some sugar first to soften it a bit, and give yourself more time to develop an appreciation for the complexities of it. That's how my friend served it to me the first few times I had it too.

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      2. toshi
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        I can't handle the hot liquor that goes with brewing in a bombilla, so I just brew it in a normal filtered teapot or brewing basket like any other loose leaf tea. I found that gong-fu style...

        I can't handle the hot liquor that goes with brewing in a bombilla, so I just brew it in a normal filtered teapot or brewing basket like any other loose leaf tea. I found that gong-fu style brewing parameters work well enough. 5 grams at 95C for about 20 seconds or so for the initial infusion, bumping up 5-10 seconds for successive infusions.

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  5. ShroudedScribe
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    As a coffee person (but nowhere near as enthusiastic), I find most teas very light in flavor. For something very, very different that impressed me, try spearmint tea. We cold brew it sometimes and...

    As a coffee person (but nowhere near as enthusiastic), I find most teas very light in flavor.

    For something very, very different that impressed me, try spearmint tea. We cold brew it sometimes and it's wonderful on ice for a refreshing drink.

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  6. crialpaca
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    I like herbal teas, which you can often sweeten to enhance the flavor. My suggestion would be to see if you can get a sampler pack of a bunch of different kinds and narrow it down to a few you...

    I like herbal teas, which you can often sweeten to enhance the flavor. My suggestion would be to see if you can get a sampler pack of a bunch of different kinds and narrow it down to a few you could see yourself drinking a bunch of. Try varying preparation with sweetener or nondairy milks to see what you like most.

    Also, tea doesn't always benefit from steeping in boiling water. Different temperatures are recommended for different teas, as are different steeping lengths. Covering while steeping can also be beneficial (I just found this out in the last year or so and I'm still bad about actually doing it).

    I agree with redbearsam that oat milk is often great for tea. I also like soy milk. But not every tea needs added creaminess! I rarely add milk to tea myself, unless I'm going for a tea latte situation.

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  7. first-must-burn
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    American south phoning in - iced black tea is very good without any sweetener or milk. If you find it too bitter, mint or lemon can be a good addition. That said, the thing that's worked for me...

    American south phoning in - iced black tea is very good without any sweetener or milk. If you find it too bitter, mint or lemon can be a good addition.

    That said, the thing that's worked for me getting off of Diet Dr Pepper was separating caffeine and hydration. Now I just drink (a ton of) seltzer water and take a caffeine pill every morning. Everything just works better when I'm properly hydrated.

    6 votes
  8. [8]
    tea_spirit
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    If you’re into the fancy coffee shit, you’ll find that you can get just as (if not more) fancy with tea. Shame on whoever mocked you for weighing your tea; they clearly don’t know how complex the...

    If you’re into the fancy coffee shit, you’ll find that you can get just as (if not more) fancy with tea. Shame on whoever mocked you for weighing your tea; they clearly don’t know how complex the tea world is (:

    Tea is the second most consumed beverage in the world, just behind water. There are plenty of ways to enjoy it, and it’s difficult to say where to start. If you’re serious about learning more, stay away from herbal teas or flavored blends (unless that’s something that interests you, of course); those aren’t necessarily “tea”. All tea (green, black, white, oolong, etc.) is made from the same plant, just prepared differently. It’s crazy how different flavors the flavors can be, depending on where the leaf is grown and how it’s processed.

    If you’re looking for somewhere to start, I’d recommend Harney & Sons if you’re located in the US. I started with their Golden Monkey (black tea) and Jasmine (green tea), and that sent me on a journey of tea discovery that’s lasted years and I’ve still got plenty to learn. Drink the tea plain, follow the recommended volumes and brewing times, and I hope you’ll find some pleasant flavors.

    I’ve only been drinking tea “seriously” for five or six years now, but I’m happy to answer any other questions you have! I’m always astounded at how deep the tea rabbit hole goes, and I don’t think you’ll be disappointed while on your coffee break. Just keep in mind that tea does contain caffeine (varied depending on type), and it’s never going to taste as strong as coffee. It’s just as enjoyable, but they’re not 1:1 substitutes.

    5 votes
    1. [2]
      sparksbet
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      While you can definitely get as fancy as OP seems to be with their coffee (and more so) with tea, do not underestimate how deep the rabbit hole can go for coffee fanciness. I'm at about the same...

      you can get just as (if not more)

      While you can definitely get as fancy as OP seems to be with their coffee (and more so) with tea, do not underestimate how deep the rabbit hole can go for coffee fanciness. I'm at about the same coffee fanciness as OP and while I'm "the coffee person" among my friends, I'm an absolute baby normie compared to real coffee hobbyists. There's some truly unhinged depths you can go to with it.

      Honestly, as a coffee person who occasionally drinks tea, I've actually tended to prefer fruity blends that may or may not contain actual tea. I think part of this is because it's taste-wise much farther away from coffee, actually. But I also think part of it is because I have a sweet tooth and it takes a lot less sugar to make a fruit tisane sweet lol. I've enjoyed my fair share of teas and only ever buy looseleaf, but that's about the limits of my tea fanciness lol.

      Fun fact: unlike tea, there are actually multiple different species of coffee! Though the vast majority that people drink is one of two species, with different cultivars existing for the truly obsessed to dig into.

      3 votes
      1. tea_spirit
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        Absolutely; I feel like I’m in a similar boat with my tea drinking. Everyone I know thinks I’m crazy, but it’s nothing compared to what I’ve seen online with others! I definitely don’t want to...

        Absolutely; I feel like I’m in a similar boat with my tea drinking. Everyone I know thinks I’m crazy, but it’s nothing compared to what I’ve seen online with others!

        I definitely don’t want to diss anyone who’s into fruited or flavored teas. They’re popular for a reason! I find a lot of enjoyment in the fact that people have been drinking tea made from the same plant for thousands of years, so I like to drink my tea “pure” so I really know what the leaves are providing. That and the fact there’s so much out there I’ve yet to try, I haven’t needed to enhance my tea with anything.

        I do have a soft spot for drinking peppermint herbal tea before bed, mostly due to the lack of caffeine in herbal teas and tisanes. I think people should drink whatever it is they like, regardless of any “rules” may exist in the hobby (:

        2 votes
    2. [3]
      tomf
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      neat that its all from the same plant. This is going to be a great rabbit hole. What do you use for brewing?

      neat that its all from the same plant. This is going to be a great rabbit hole.

      What do you use for brewing?

      1. [2]
        tea_spirit
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        Depends on what I’m brewing, but 80% of the time I’m brewing my black tea one cup at a time with an in-mug basket infuser. People sell all kinds of infusers for loose leaf tea, but you want to...

        Depends on what I’m brewing, but 80% of the time I’m brewing my black tea one cup at a time with an in-mug basket infuser. People sell all kinds of infusers for loose leaf tea, but you want to make sure that you’re using one that has plenty of room for the leaves to unfurl and expand in the water. On a daily basis, I’ll throw a teaspoon of a loose leaf black tea in there, pour ~200°F water over it, and let it steep about 3-5 minutes before removing it about 3 or 4 times a day. Quick and easy.

        When I want to drink something a little more expensive, or I’ve got time to really sit down and enjoy the brewing process, I’ve got a collection of teaware that I cycle through depending on the type of tea I’m making. These vary from a big western-style glass teapot to a tiny porcelain gaiwan; you really do have tons of options depending on what you’re making and how you’d like to make it. Usually I’ll brew my tea gong-fu style when I break the fun stuff out, all set up over a wooden tea table for catching water and rinsed tea, and I’ll get to enjoy 32oz+ out of the leaves over multiple infusions by the time I finish. I’m not sure if coffee is generally brewed multiple times, but most tea is definitely meant to depending on the style/quantity of tea and method of brewing.

        I’m linking pages from Harney here because I mentioned it earlier, but a lot of my “nicer” teaware came from Yunnan Sourcing and other chinese-based tea vendors that have been mentioned here in the comments.

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        1. tomf
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          I'm excited to pick up a proper gaiwan... and maybe some DUCK SHIT oolong.. hahahaha thats the best. its a shame I didn't get into this sooner. My first wife and nearly second wife were both big...

          I'm excited to pick up a proper gaiwan... and maybe some DUCK SHIT oolong.. hahahaha thats the best.

          its a shame I didn't get into this sooner. My first wife and nearly second wife were both big tea drinkers. It would have been nice to do that together. The thing I like most about tea is the multiple rounds. It just feels right and I like how the cup progresses.

          3 votes
    3. [2]
      culturedleftfoot
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      There'll never be a more appropriate time to ask for the inspiration behind your username... and someone has to do it, so it might as well be me :P

      There'll never be a more appropriate time to ask for the inspiration behind your username... and someone has to do it, so it might as well be me :P

      1. tea_spirit
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        I wanted a new username after leaving reddit, and figured I would attempt to get creative since Tildes was much smaller. I did my best to come up with a tea-related name (because I do very much...

        I wanted a new username after leaving reddit, and figured I would attempt to get creative since Tildes was much smaller. I did my best to come up with a tea-related name (because I do very much enjoy tea), and figured this was as good a pun (free spirit, anybody?) as I was going to come up with.

        Terribly interesting story, I know :p

        3 votes
  9. [5]
    secretfire
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    Firstly, I'd recommend reading this Serious Eats article, it's a great article that has what you're looking for and then some. The best bit of advice from the article though is to forgo tea bags,...

    Firstly, I'd recommend reading this Serious Eats article, it's a great article that has what you're looking for and then some. The best bit of advice from the article though is to forgo tea bags, because they kinda suck for any "proper" cups of tea. Rule of thumb is that the lighter in colour the cup of tea is, the more the quality of the leaves matters, which is why the brits can get away with pretending that their shitty English black tea tastes good when they steep it for 10 minutes in boiling water to remove any hint of delicacy in flavour - It was never going to taste good regardless of how abused those poor tea leaves get.


    I'm personally a Japanese green tea kinda person. I'll give a quick primer but there are tons of resources out there - Tezumi is a good site for getting into tea brewing (they also sell tea in the US, have never bought from them myself but I've heard generally good things).

    The two main types of Japanese green tea that you're likely to find in the West are Sencha and Matcha. Matcha is its own thing and it's become really trendy as a flavouring these days - Personally I'm ambivalent on it, I enjoy it when it's made "properly", i.e. as a hot cup of tea in the traditional manner, but it's not a daily thing for me. It comes in a powdered form and you can probably find it in somewhere in your area.

    Sencha, on the other hand, is the more standard form of tea, its name literally meaning "daily tea". It takes the form of green tea leaves, you steep them in water at ~70C for maybe a minute, and you can get multiple cups out of the same pot of leaves. It's my personal go-to. Unfortunately it's not the easiest thing to find locally; or rather, it's hard to find stuff that's local and good, most Asian stores will probably sell Chinese-grown sencha which is universally rubbish. You can order from a ton of places online, I've had good experiences with O-cha.

    Will give an honourable mention to Genmaicha also, a type of sencha that contains toasted rice grains. The toasted rice flavour is really quite strong, so it was traditionally made out of lower-quality tea leaves, sort of like adding a mixer to a shitty whiskey. Which isn't to say that genmaicha tastes bad though, I really enjoy it and it's probably the easiest type to find in the West, so pick some up if you can. You brew it essentially the same as a normal sencha, maybe a little bit hotter, 75C or so for a first infusion.

    Japanese green tea isn't for everyone, some people describe it as having an almost "fishy" taste, which I've personally never noticed, but there is definitely a sort of "vegetable-like" taste in certain types, particularly deep-steamed teas, namely fukamushi - There are different types of sencha based on how they're steamed, or if they've been placed in shade while growing (notably Gyokuro, arguably the fanciest green tea out there), but I'll save that for the 201 class. I quite like the taste, it has a strong umami flavour.

    My one and only gripe with Japanese green tea is that it's particularly high in caffiene compared to other teas. Not nearly as high per ml as a cup of coffee, of course, but high enough that my dumb caffiene-hypersensitive body starts getting jittery and anxious after 3 or 4 cups, and the dream of an afternoon tea break is unreachable for me unless I feel like going to sleep at 4am. Probably not an issue if you're accustomed to coffee of course, but worth keeping in mind.


    As for teaware, you can go fancy, or you can just, well, not. Personally I own a kyusu, a small Japanese teapot that I use exclusively for my green teas, but before that I used a simple mesh ball infuser and it worked alright (you want the tea leaves to have a large area to spread out in as they brew, helps with flavour). A generic porcelain teapot will work fine too, provided you have some kind of filter to keep the tea leaves from spilling out. If you feel like investing in an all-purpose bit of teaware, I'd go with a gaiwan, it's the most basic form of brewing vessel and you can probably find them relatively cheaply online.


    Any top tips for getting into tea? I was just mocked for weighing tea... I guess that isn't as important in this scene.

    Not at all! I always weigh loose leaf tea for the first few pots of a new packet. Different teas tend to have slightly different densities, normally when I open a new packet of tea leaves for the first time I weigh until I have a sense of how much is in a teaspoon's worth of leaves, after which I just go by feel. It's not a huge deal, you can mess around with tea/water ratios for any amount of leaves, but I like the same cup every time, more or less, so I sometimes weigh it.

    5 votes
    1. [4]
      tomf
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      interesting that green tea makes you jittery when it contains theanine, something a lot of us take in our stacks to prevent jitters with caffeine (either coffee or capsules.) I guess you could...

      interesting that green tea makes you jittery when it contains theanine, something a lot of us take in our stacks to prevent jitters with caffeine (either coffee or capsules.) I guess you could take more theanine to level that out... interesting.

      Thanks for all this! this is excellent. In my digging, it appears I live in a good tea city... and coffee city.. and beer city... and everything city. I also found out that my sister's childhood friend owns a tea shop, too.

      I've had Gyokuro at this one tea shop. Its basically a long bar and they serve you several rounds etc etc... its great, but I didn't know I was having anything fancy :)

      thanks again! this is awesome.

      2 votes
      1. [3]
        secretfire
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        It's not something I've looked into in much depth in fairness, but I've always been a bit skeptical of the claims around l-theanine relaxing you that much; I've seen a lot of people claiming it's...

        It's not something I've looked into in much depth in fairness, but I've always been a bit skeptical of the claims around l-theanine relaxing you that much; I've seen a lot of people claiming it's a miracle substance and others claiming it's entirely placebo (and the skeptics like to bring out graphs so, yknow, who can argue against that?). I am naturally of a high-anxiety disposition though so possible its jitter-reducing powers are simply dwarfed by my brain's desire to feel like it's about to explode at any second. I might grab some theanine supplements in the future and see if maybe I just need a heroic dose for its effects to kick in.

        Insanely jealous of you and your good everything city, I'm in the sort of place where the tea menu in a tea shop consists of english breakfast, earl grey, shitty matcha, and mystery fruit/chamomile blend for $8. A lot of the more bourgie tea shops will do tasting sessions where you spend an hour tasting a dozen types of tea, which is a fun way to find what kinds of tea you like. Other than that, you can just buy a bunch and try them!

        Gyokuro is one of those ones where you can get fairly cheap stuff and it'll taste okay, but the quality ceiling is high. You can get some for $20 or $200 and it's a huge difference. That's part of why it's normally served in such small quantities, it's made with a huge amount of leaves per ml of water (normally ~6-10g per 50ml), at a really low temperature, ~40-50C. It's almost like the tea equivalent of espresso; I've found that anything more than 3 cups gives me a full on head high. It's definitely one of the more unique tea experiences out there in both sensation and taste, really cool that you found a place that did a full gyokuro session! If you liked it you should definitely give sencha a go.

        All the best!

        1 vote
        1. tomf
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          I can't imagine dropping $200 for something like that. haha. Jubilee sent this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXQN5lbDGX0 -- there are some $$ teas mentioned at times. I just can't imagine...

          I can't imagine dropping $200 for something like that. haha. Jubilee sent this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXQN5lbDGX0 -- there are some $$ teas mentioned at times. I just can't imagine it.

          With the theanine, its weird. Its almost like taurine in a way but with a nicer taper. I'm really high ADHD, so caffeine to a certain point really calms me down; but if I have three cups back to back or more than four shots of espresso at once, I'll get a little twitchy. Theanine absolutely cuts through this. I only have that much if I have a specific type of headache, though... I'm not Dave Grohl.

          If you do try it, get 250mg capsules and pop one with your coffee and see how it goes.

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        2. 0x29A
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          Theanine definitely seems to work for me in times of stress, anxiety, or with jitters, or etc. However, I've found it to be inconsistent and situation-dependent and I think in most use cases its...

          Theanine definitely seems to work for me in times of stress, anxiety, or with jitters, or etc. However, I've found it to be inconsistent and situation-dependent and I think in most use cases its effects aren't massively potent, in that, it's no cure-all for feelings of anxiety/stress/etc

          However, it has come in handy for me before, and I enjoy high-theanine (shade grown) teas too and that is my preferred way of ingesting it.

          Unfortunately, it seems supplemental L-Theanine is a headache/migraine-trigger for me, so I keep it around but rarely take it in supplemental form. In tea form I do not have the same problems, probably due to all the other compounds in tea complimenting it.

          1 vote
  10. [7]
    0x29A
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    I'm deep into both coffee and loose leaf (Chinese, Japanese, etc) tea. You can dive as deep in as you want or stay on the surface- all up to you. Lapsang Souchong is nice, especially when the...

    I'm deep into both coffee and loose leaf (Chinese, Japanese, etc) tea. You can dive as deep in as you want or stay on the surface- all up to you.

    Lapsang Souchong is nice, especially when the smoke is subtle and balanced and not overpowering (for me anyways). There's also a less common unsmoked Lapsang I've tried before that was nice.

    I don't think weighing is strange at all actually. A lot of tea enthusiasts do weigh their tea out before brewing (some might eventually get to the point where they eyeball it, but weighing isn't out of the ordinary). I've seen plenty of "gongfu tea" enjoyers weigh the tea. Now, I'm sure that may be a less common experience in China, but for Westerners brewing loose leaf Chinese tea, I've more often seen scales than not and plenty of loose leaf tea vendors sell scales too

    As others have said, lots of the same parameters as coffee (temperature, brew/steeping style and time, etc) that massively affect the taste, and depends on the type of tea, etc.

    My favorite vendors tend to be Yunnan Sourcing (they have a .US site for separate warehousing in the US if that's closer to you), New Mexico Tea Co, White2Tea, Bitterleaf Teas, and Liquid Proust (admittedly this is more a boutique/experimental vendor), among a few others too. Note that the ones based in China can take some time to get the tea to you- and the tariff situation has made things messy- though a lot of vendors now do a special type of shipping where they cover any tariff costs to simplify things- just make sure to double-check any vendor- if you go down this road (or stick to vendors that have stock more geographically convenient to you)

    99% of my tea experience is of loose leaf, plain/non-flavored teas, brewed either gongfu style or long steeps (Western style) in a teapot, I also don't add milk or anything- which I think is going to be more common with red/black tea and typical Western tea consumption- nothing wrong with it of course, but it's definitely optional. As opinionated about it all as I may be- the best tea is the tea you like to drink- so if that means adding milk, honey, or enjoying a flavored tea, or an herbal tisane, then more power to you

    All that to say, there's multiple paths/roads to go down for enjoying tea, including as a coffee replacement, so find what works for you. All depends on what you want out of it (new hobby? deep dive? nerdy? or just a coffee replacement you can make without thinking about it, etc)

    4 votes
    1. [6]
      tomf
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      I absolutely will not ever have any flavored tea or anything similar. This is all great. Thanks! I'm really hoping I dont have to cut out coffee. It isn't anything severe, but I'm subtracting...

      I absolutely will not ever have any flavored tea or anything similar. This is all great. Thanks! I'm really hoping I dont have to cut out coffee. It isn't anything severe, but I'm subtracting everything and starting from scratch so I can at least rule out the good stuff.

      2 votes
      1. [4]
        datavoid
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        What traumatized you so badly that you are absolutely unwilling to take a trip to flavortown?

        What traumatized you so badly that you are absolutely unwilling to take a trip to flavortown?

        3 votes
        1. [3]
          tomf
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          I don't want to turn into a middle aged woman in khakis who dances in the supermarket while eating yogurt with probiotic swirls going around my torso.

          I don't want to turn into a middle aged woman in khakis who dances in the supermarket while eating yogurt with probiotic swirls going around my torso.

          1 vote
          1. [2]
            TaylorSwiftsPickles
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            transition goals tbh

            transition goals tbh

            4 votes
            1. tomf
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              haha thats great. we need a tag for jokes that are funny that actually promote the comment.

              haha thats great. we need a tag for jokes that are funny that actually promote the comment.

              3 votes
      2. 0x29A
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        Np! Yeah, while I am not a fan of most flavored or herbal teas, they can be okay once in a while, but I just don't like outside things in my hot drinks. I keep a few around that I have gotten as...

        Np! Yeah, while I am not a fan of most flavored or herbal teas, they can be okay once in a while, but I just don't like outside things in my hot drinks. I keep a few around that I have gotten as gifts or that are slightly medicinal just to change things up or when I am sick or whatever and sometimes they can hit the spot in a particular mood or be really soothing and easy on the stomach.

        I prefer drinking (unflavored) specialty coffee, and drinking it black, and same with tea. Additives mask the flavor of the leaves or beans, and if I am masking flavor, that typically means for me personally that I am not buying good enough tea/coffee.

        I suppose on exception would be the more traditional stuffed Chenpi (tangerine peel), but that's more a novelty for me

        Best of wishes in zeroing in on the issue quickly and that it's not something you love like coffee! <3

        2 votes
  11. Kerry56
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    As a bone fide tea heathen, I grew up with iced tea as the preferred drink with meals. (It's a Southern US and Texas tradition). Originally, we'd have tea so sweet that the sugar would...

    As a bone fide tea heathen, I grew up with iced tea as the preferred drink with meals. (It's a Southern US and Texas tradition). Originally, we'd have tea so sweet that the sugar would recrystallize on the sides of the glass, but I've grown out of that phase. Well, my body can't take high doses of sugar anymore, so it was a necessity.

    Many of us in these regions still brew tea so strong that it can float horseshoe nails, but don't judge all of us for that. And no one I know is a connoisseur. Most still use plain Lipton's black tea. I find it both weak and bitter, which is a weird combination of flaws. I prefer Tetley British Blend, which is also a black tea.

    Can't say as I care for hot tea very much. I'll drink one or two cups of it a year, in contrast to the five or six glasses of iced tea a day that I consume. Hot green tea with Chinese food is fine, though again, a rare drink for me.

    4 votes
  12. [2]
    vili
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    If you miss the experience and adventure of selecting different coffee roasts and discussing them with your roaster, see if your area has a super fancy shit tea importer. You can of course also...

    If you miss the experience and adventure of selecting different coffee roasts and discussing them with your roaster, see if your area has a super fancy shit tea importer. You can of course also shop online.

    Let's forget flavoured teas and non-tea teas like herbal, fruit and rooibos for a moment. Not that there is anything wrong with those, but if exploring super fancy shit coffee was your thing earlier, you can do a lot of that also with the shrub that we call the "tea plant", the camellia sinensis. Think of it a bit like coffea arabica. It's the good stuff.

    Now, just like coffee comes in very different flavours depending on where the beans were grown, how they were fermented and how they were roasted, the taste of tea is also affected by terroir, fermentation / oxidisation and processing. If you enjoy exploring different taste profiles and processing methods, teas can offer you just as wide a range of experiences as coffee (or wine).

    And just like coffee, tea comes in different packaging. Tea bags are typically like instant coffee in terms of convenience and taste. Ground and small leaf loose tea is like supermarket coffee. Large leaf loose tea is like specialty coffee. Although that's very broad brushstrokes and not intended as a value judgement. I've had excellent tea bag tea, just like I've had great specialty instant coffee. I've had horrible full leaf loose tea, just like I've had disgusting specialty coffee.

    Tea "colours" are somewhat similar to coffee roast levels. White tea is your light roast. Black tea is your dark roast. In between, you have other colours and it goes something like this: white < yellow < green < oolong < black < pu'er. The "darker" a tea is, the more oxidisation it has gone through. But as with coffee roast levels, these are all the same plant, just differently processed.

    If you like lapsang souchong and you are specifically searching for that morning wakeup fix, take that as your starting point. Maybe try two things next: some fancy oolong tea, and some nasty fermented pu'er. Both come in a million different varieties, and pu'er even sort of comes with vintage years like wine, so I can't really tell you what you might like. But if you have that super fancy shit tea importer in your area, go in there and talk to them, sniff some teas, make uninformed decisions. You have a wonderful journey ahead of you.

    Now, if you do go to get your tea from that super fancy shit tea importer, you may be shocked about the price that they charge. Or maybe you won't, if you are familiar with super fancy shit coffee. In either case, keep in mind that super fancy shit tea can usually be brewed multiple times. In fact, most of those teas pretty much require multiple brews and you only extract the best flavour on the second or third brew. So it's not quite as expensive as it may first seem.

    Which brings us to brewing. Just like there are multiple ways of making coffee, there are several ways of preparing tea as well. Well, maybe not quite as many, and certainly not quite as expensive. But just like some coffee roasts are better brewed with one method than another, some tea types benefit from one approach more than some other. And again, just like different coffee roasts and different coffee preparation methods benefit from your water being in different temperatures, different teas also work best with different water temperatures.

    Which reminds me: just like with super fancy shit coffee, the quality of your tea drink also hugely depends on the quality of your water.

    So, there is no optimal way to make tea, but if you go and buy tea from that super fancy shit tea shop, I can give you a starting point that not only extracts flavour profiles well but is also cheap and perhaps even somewhat familiar to you if coffee has previously been your thing. It's a bit like the gongfu method of tea preparation that others have mentioned here, although a traditionalist would execute me on the spot for saying so. Or, some might at least say that what I do is not conventional, but it's the preparation method that I've been primarily using for years now.

    So, start by getting yourself an electric kettle with a temperature control, as well as a French press. Just don't use a French press that you also use for coffee.

    Put something like 10-13 grams of tea leaves into the French press. And yes, you can weigh it, it's your tea and you can do whatever you want with it.

    Get your water to a desired temperature. If the tea you bought doesn't tell you what that temperature is, do about 70 degrees Celsius for white or yellow tea, 80-ish for green, 90-ish for oolong, and 90-100 for black and pu'er. This is a starting point. You can tweak it later as you get familiar with your tea.

    Pour the water in and let it brew for about 10-15 seconds. Then pour it into your cup(s). And yes, that's seconds. Although this again depends on the type of tea and the amount of water that you use. Some teas require a bit longer, but rarely over a minute with this method.

    And remember, don't throw out the leaves that you just used. The next brew will be better. The one after perhaps even more so. In fact, if the super fancy shit tea that you bought was the type that had its leaves rolled, the first brew will basically be just hot water. Throw that out and let the leaves unroll naturally, then brew the first real drink.

    I tend to keep my used leaves in my French press for a day or two. That's typically 4-8 brewings for me (about 7dl per brewing), depending on how the tea behaves. Don't let it mould, though. How long you can safely keep your leaves in the French press depends a lot on your house's temperature and humidity levels.

    As with coffee, do let the drink cool down a bit before you drink it. The flavour will benefit from that. As will your mouth.

    Some teas are nice with sweeteners and milks, others not so much. Again, it's your tea, you can do whatever you want with it. Experiment, explore, share and enjoy.

    4 votes
    1. tomf
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      yoooo this is wicked. thanks so much! The sticker price doesn't phase me at all. With coffee I typically do $25-30 for 250g or less. With the lapsang I got, it was only $15 for 100g, which I...

      yoooo this is wicked. thanks so much! The sticker price doesn't phase me at all. With coffee I typically do $25-30 for 250g or less. With the lapsang I got, it was only $15 for 100g, which I thought was a steal.

      the rolled leaves are pretty cool. I've got a lot of fancy shops around me, so diving in won't be difficult. I like the french press technique. Might be handy. I'm gong to pick up a nice gaiwan today. there's no doubt that all of this stuff can get expensive, but overall, the cost of entry seems pretty low for great tea vs coffee (esp with aeropress doing whatever the hell they're up to with their plastic tube.)

      This is great. tea and coffee are so different but so similar in a lot of ways. Note-wise, its also a lot like wine; but I'm not into that as much.

      thanks again!

      2 votes
  13. [4]
    canekicker
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    I'm far more into the world of specialty coffee and barely understand tea but I can give you some tips from the perspective of someone who is deep into coffee. And when I mean deep, I mean right...

    I'm far more into the world of specialty coffee and barely understand tea but I can give you some tips from the perspective of someone who is deep into coffee. And when I mean deep, I mean right now I'm playing around with low pressure "soup shots" and low temp pour overs on lighter roasts but when it comes to tea, I just want something that's tasty when it's cold outside. Here's what works for me

    1. Absolutely measure your tea the way you do your coffee. I'm using 1:100 which works fairly well for the tea I have

    2. Temperatures generally works backwards from coffee. Darker teas, either from smoking or oxidation or another process, need higher temps ( I use 185F) while lighter teas use lower temps ( I use 170F for my green teas). However, like with coffee, increasing temp can also increase the presence of less desirable compounds like tannins. So if you want a stronger brew, use more tea

    3. Brew times will vary depending on tea type and generally speaking, darker or herbal teas need longer steep times. Like wise, steeping longer isn't advised for "stronger tea" , just use more tea. In addition, many good teas can be steeped multiple times though I don't know how to determine which teas this works for and every time I've gone for a second steep, it's come out tasting like water, even when I try expensive stuff (yes I know expensive =/= good)

    4. Absolutely drink your tea without sugar or dairy. I drink my coffee this way and I like my tea this way as well.

    5. Caffeine is also kind of reversed in tea. Darker teas, unlike darker roasted coffee, have more caffeine in the cup than lighter tea. My understanding is lighter teas like green have more caffeine in the leaf but extraction at lower temp = less caffeine. The exception would be roasted teas like hojicha which have low caffeine since caffeine is heat labile.

    Personally, I really enjoy east asian teas, particularly from China and Taiwan. When it comes to buying teas, I buy from adagio which has worked well for me over the last decade. I also use this tea infuser which I like as the infuser is easy to clean and the 24 oz size easily allows me to brew 500 ml of tea. As others have mentioned, use a variable temp kettle and I assume you already have a variable temp goose neck kettle. Personally, I find that my Fellow Stag EKG pours far too slowly for tea so I use the Fellow Corvo EKG and just use the same heating base. There are probably some other options out there but if you have the money, the convenience of swapping out my Stagg for the Corvo is pretty nice.

    3 votes
    1. [3]
      tomf
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      1:100 is what I did today. It seems decent and is easy to remember. Thanks for this. These are excellent points. For pouring, just a straight pour and no swirling or any of our fancy maneuvers‽ I...

      1:100 is what I did today. It seems decent and is easy to remember. Thanks for this. These are excellent points.

      For pouring, just a straight pour and no swirling or any of our fancy maneuvers‽ I think the base for most kettles is the same. I'm using a Bonavita base with... some other brand of kettle. The other base was all touch instead of buttons, which I hate.

      I like that pot/infuser you've got. The price is right, too :) Thanks again! Nice that there are a bunch of tea-heads around here.

      1 vote
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        canekicker
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        Maybe someone with more knowledge can chime in but to me (again, just a coffee nerd who likes tea) agitation doesn't seem to play as much as a factor as it does in coffee. Plus in coffee terms,...

        For pouring, just a straight pour and no swirling or any of our fancy maneuvers‽

        Maybe someone with more knowledge can chime in but to me (again, just a coffee nerd who likes tea) agitation doesn't seem to play as much as a factor as it does in coffee. Plus in coffee terms, tea steeping = coffee immersion and pouring methods are less relevant in immersion brewing. Plus there's no off-gassing/blooming in tea (in the sense of releasing CO2 trapped from roasting) so initial agitation isn't needed to deal with that. There's no concern over fine migration / granular convection so gentle vs rapid pouring doesn't matter. Just dump in your water at the right temp at the right ratio and steep for the appropriate time.

        You can definitely nerd out on tea the way you can with coffee, it's just in a different manner. I don't know if tea drinkers care about particle distribution, experimental processing, or water chemistry the way coffee people do but there are definitely practices and traditions that tea drinkers have that coffee can't touch. For example, some teas are quickly rinsed before steeping which allows for the use of tea pets, something that coffee drinkers simply don't have ( I just have a collection of fun mugs).

        2 votes
        1. tomf
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          love it. I'm excited to tuck into this. Gotta get myself a pee-pee boy to really dazzle my friends :) thats so funny. Overall, it seems like tea is far more forgiving than coffee. +1 for that.

          love it. I'm excited to tuck into this. Gotta get myself a pee-pee boy to really dazzle my friends :) thats so funny. Overall, it seems like tea is far more forgiving than coffee. +1 for that.

          1 vote
  14. Paul26
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    I’ve replaced morning coffee with tea, but I have always liked tea. I still have espresso sometimes after lunch at the office, or the occasional cappuccino on a weekend (oat milk, I don’t drink...

    I’ve replaced morning coffee with tea, but I have always liked tea. I still have espresso sometimes after lunch at the office, or the occasional cappuccino on a weekend (oat milk, I don’t drink regular milk and avoid most dairy).

    I have always been a fan of Japanese green tea. Sencha is my go-to. It’s affordable compared to some fancier ones. I’ll be honest, I don’t pay too close attention to brew time or quantity. I have a measuring spoon of it but I’m not sure if I am using enough or too much. It feel fine to me. Tastes good if I don’t forget it in there for too long. As with cooking I kinda just go with my gut feeling and improvise. I’m sure it’s better if you do respect the ratio, the water temperature, and the steep duration.

    The other tea I like is Earl Gray. I don’t add milk, but I do like adding a bit of sugar sometimes.

    3 votes
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    Akir
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    This is going to be a strange recommendation, but one thing that will make you appreciate tea is to stop drinking sweet beverages. Sweet is almost but not quite the opposite of the astringency of...

    This is going to be a strange recommendation, but one thing that will make you appreciate tea is to stop drinking sweet beverages. Sweet is almost but not quite the opposite of the astringency of tea.

    More importantly, get used to drinking water. It is, after all, the largest component in tea, and teas tend to compliment the flavor of the water you brew it in. It’s a lot more noticeable than with coffee.

    Maybe start off by drinking plain black tea so you know what plain tea starts as. No, Earl Grey and English Breakfast don’t count; they are blends. After a few cups start to experiment. If you have a store that sells loose tea or individual tea bags, that can be a great way to get small quantities of multiple varieties.

    3 votes
    1. tomf
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      i’m decades ahead of this one! i pretty much only drink room temp water. sometimes i’ll have some form of an electrolyte drink, but that isn’t often. i had my first cola (two sips) in around a...

      i’m decades ahead of this one! i pretty much only drink room temp water. sometimes i’ll have some form of an electrolyte drink, but that isn’t often.

      i had my first cola (two sips) in around a decade a few weeks ago and thought my tongue was going to fall out.

      right now i have 100g of lapsang — but i’m going to get more of a variety this week. i’m surrounded by great tea shops, hiding in plain sight.

      we, as a community, should have a wiki to compile all of this sort of stuff. host it with github or whatever so we don’t have to worry about someone hosting and moving on like so many other similar projects.

      2 votes
  16. [4]
    Rudism
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    If you want to be like me and Captain Picard you'll only drink tea. Earl Grey. Hot.

    If you want to be like me and Captain Picard you'll only drink tea. Earl Grey. Hot.

    3 votes
    1. tomf
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      unrelated to the thread, but you really need to experience Barren Planet -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mw3SV6U_p0Q -- a TNG / Sopranos crossover.

      unrelated to the thread, but you really need to experience Barren Planet -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mw3SV6U_p0Q -- a TNG / Sopranos crossover.

      2 votes
  17. Sheep
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    Regarding dairy, while I know it's common to add milk to tea in many cultures, you don't have to. My family never adds milk to their tea and we drink tea pretty frequently. It's just a personal...

    Regarding dairy, while I know it's common to add milk to tea in many cultures, you don't have to. My family never adds milk to their tea and we drink tea pretty frequently. It's just a personal choice.

    I do not consider myself a tea person at all, so I don't have much more to add but I think the old adage of "it's all preference" reigns supreme here. The best tea is the one you like, so don't try too hard to be a "tea person" so to speak, and more so try to find what you enjoy.

    2 votes
  18. goose
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    I'm no tea connoisseur, but I don't discriminate in my love for caffeine, and decided to pick up some tea for work as I work night shifts and the coffee at my work is god awful. I've been buying...

    I'm no tea connoisseur, but I don't discriminate in my love for caffeine, and decided to pick up some tea for work as I work night shifts and the coffee at my work is god awful.

    I've been buying and consuming Yogi tea, and enjoy it. I'm sure more knowledgeable people can offer more specific recommendations, but for a starting point, I've been quite pleased with it!

    2 votes
  19. Debook
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    I'm also a person who is working to get into tea, in my case to avoid caffeine. I got a sampler with a ton of different flavors at first and it helped a lot. I still don't much care for plain tea,...

    I'm also a person who is working to get into tea, in my case to avoid caffeine. I got a sampler with a ton of different flavors at first and it helped a lot.

    I still don't much care for plain tea, but there are a wide variety of flavors out there though, both herbal and caffeinated, and they made it easier for me to transition into tea. I used to not like the chai or anything with cinnamon, but when I started out I loved the lemon teas because I think drinking lemon is more familiar.

    I also make a thing out of the tea ritual. Get a cup I really like, relax and prep the tea as a timeout in the day.

    2 votes
  20. [2]
    knocklessmonster
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    As mentioned, European tea styles tend to be bagged with milk and/or sugar to taste, but I've always been a black/straight tea drinker, usually. I got into Chinese tea in various formats but these...

    As mentioned, European tea styles tend to be bagged with milk and/or sugar to taste, but I've always been a black/straight tea drinker, usually. I got into Chinese tea in various formats but these days lean heavily on grandpa-style (take a bunch of leaves in a larger cup, fill with hot water, drink over time, top off when you near the bottom). I actually have a 1L beer mug I fill with like 5g of leaves, pour water in (heat depends on temp, oolongs get 195F, greens get 175 usually), and have a good time with it.

    Any top tips for getting into tea? I was just mocked for weighing tea... I guess that isn't as important in this scene.

    Experiment. Get that one tin on Amazon, go to a specialty store (online or in-person), find what you want to try. Many people in the west who enjoy Chinese tea will us a company like Yunnan Sourcing (with a Chinese and US warehouse, .com/.us respectively)), for relatively well-priced well-sourced tea.

    As others have said, find what you want. I prefer plain, whole-leaf Chinese and Assam (Indian-derived) tea and some Japanese varietals, but there's a lot of blends, flavors, preparations, etc.

    2 votes
    1. zod000
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      Assam tea is my current favorite and what I replaced "morning coffee" with.

      Assam tea is my current favorite and what I replaced "morning coffee" with.

  21. Nihilego
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    I don’t think you need milk to enjoy tea… I tend to mix milk with coffee more than I have plain coffee, unless it’s dripped coffee which I have acquired a taste for recently. Maybe trying adding...

    I don’t think you need milk to enjoy tea… I tend to mix milk with coffee more than I have plain coffee, unless it’s dripped coffee which I have acquired a taste for recently.

    Maybe trying adding small amounts of sugar to your tea? I used to always have sugar with my tea, but nowadays I prefer it without sugar.
    Look into herbal teas as well(If you would count them as tea).
    Tekkane is a pretty good brand from my experience, I’d look into herbal teas that contain cinnamon, cherry or pomegranate flavors, since those are my favorite.

    2 votes
  22. [5]
    NaraVara
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    Just practice practice practice with a gaiwan until you can brew like this. :-p For experiencing full leaf teas though, I’d recommend learning brewing methods with the gaiwan since it’s the...

    Just practice practice practice with a gaiwan until you can brew like this. :-p

    For experiencing full leaf teas though, I’d recommend learning brewing methods with the gaiwan since it’s the easiest to do and to clean. You can also decide to make as much or as little as you like and it’s easy to resteep. I tend to just have a thermos full of hot water at my desk (a zojirushi vacuum sealed one) and a small gaiwan and will sip tea while I work for hours. You can generally get a whole lot of steeps from one fistful of leaves, and if it starts to get insipid you just toss in some more. At the lower water temperatures you don’t have to worry as much about overextracting like you do with coffee.

    2 votes
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      tomf
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      I'll keep you posted from the hospital. that's bananas. I'm definitely going to use a gaiwan. Just seems perfect for what I want. you're doing it over hours‽ That's neat. That's good to know.

      I'll keep you posted from the hospital. that's bananas. I'm definitely going to use a gaiwan. Just seems perfect for what I want.

      you're doing it over hours‽ That's neat. That's good to know.

      1 vote
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        NaraVara
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        Yeah the vacuum sealed thermos keeps the hot water hot basically all day. It’s amazing. You just steep a bit and drink it. Then whenever you want more you pour and steep again. The thermos is a...

        Yeah the vacuum sealed thermos keeps the hot water hot basically all day. It’s amazing. You just steep a bit and drink it. Then whenever you want more you pour and steep again.

        The thermos is a huuuuuuge pain in the ass to clean though, so I basically only use it for storing water and avoid putting coffee in it unless I’m going to be out in the cold for some reason.

        2 votes
        1. 0x29A
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          While not as travel-friendly, at home I use a Zojirushi as well, but a thermal serving carafe- I heat a kettle full of water and then pour it into one of these to keep hot throughout my gongfu tea...

          While not as travel-friendly, at home I use a Zojirushi as well, but a thermal serving carafe- I heat a kettle full of water and then pour it into one of these to keep hot throughout my gongfu tea sessions, so I don't have to constantly keep the kettle going. It's glass inside, so I find, especially when using it only for water, it doesn't build up anything that needs intensive cleaning, thankfully.

          2 votes
        2. tomf
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          nice! I have a Miir vacuum flask that reddit gave out a few years back. I'd never put anything but water in it, though. I feel like getting into tea is my destiny... at least because of the...

          nice! I have a Miir vacuum flask that reddit gave out a few years back. I'd never put anything but water in it, though.

          I feel like getting into tea is my destiny... at least because of the equipment I already have. :)

          2 votes
  23. [4]
    Akir
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    Just a quick note: Christmastime always has a bunch of weird advent calendars being made, and this year is no different. But it's worth noting that this year I'm seeing a lot of tea advent...

    Just a quick note: Christmastime always has a bunch of weird advent calendars being made, and this year is no different. But it's worth noting that this year I'm seeing a lot of tea advent calendars. Particularly with blended western style teabags. I found one the other day at one grocery store or another with 12 bags that were apparantly made by Lipton, and another one at Aldi that has 24 bags for about $8. Are any of these good teas? Probably not. But it's going to be a fun daily experience.

    2 votes
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      tomf
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      that's a smart idea. Its a shame they come with so much packaging. I might recreate something using small mason jars from this one spot. yeah -- this is wicked and a great way to get me going....

      that's a smart idea. Its a shame they come with so much packaging. I might recreate something using small mason jars from this one spot.

      yeah -- this is wicked and a great way to get me going. Lapsang every day is proving to be a bit much. :)

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        Akir
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        If you're going to recreate the idea with loose teas, just use paper sachets. The store you buy from very likely has sample size ones already.

        If you're going to recreate the idea with loose teas, just use paper sachets. The store you buy from very likely has sample size ones already.

        1 vote
        1. tomf
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          oh nice. good tip! way better than lugging a flat of jars :)

          oh nice. good tip! way better than lugging a flat of jars :)

          1 vote
  24. [3]
    Ozzy
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    In the Middle East, where part of me is from, we drink black natural tea with no milk (eww). I recommend trying to find a local store in your country that imports products from the Middle East and...

    In the Middle East, where part of me is from, we drink black natural tea with no milk (eww).

    I recommend trying to find a local store in your country that imports products from the Middle East and find either loose black tea that you can use to boil or black tea bags that come pre-packaged.

    The best method to make this tea is to buy a teapot and fill it with water, bring it to a boil and then dunk the black tea inside. Some people like to add ginger to their tea, like, pieces of ginger to boil with it, others like to sprinkle cinnamon when it’s done and another common garnishing for it is mint! You can add as much sugar as you’d like.

    If you end up doing this, let me know your thoughts. Personally I’ve tried many different teas and this is the only way I genuinely like it.

    Peach ice tea not withstanding. 😁

    2 votes
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      chocobean
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      Interesting, what kind of leaves are used for this kind of tea, and are they grown in the region? The (geographically) closest mid east tea I've had is the Turkish Rize served in tulip shaped ince...

      Interesting, what kind of leaves are used for this kind of tea, and are they grown in the region?

      The (geographically) closest totally not mid east tea I've had is the Turkish Rize served in tulip shaped ince belli glass. I bought some tea and a set of four basic but very pretty glasses, but I've lots them all to damage/moves over the years. Your comment reminded me of it and I'm slightly sad :'(

      Turkey has the highest per-capita tea consumption in the world with an annual total consumption of over 3 kilograms per person

      Wikipedia. I didn't know this. Is tea big in the Middle East also because alcoholic beverages arent as big of a daily thing?

      Edit: oh my mistake Turkey is middle east.

      1. Ozzy
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        Interestingly I never thought of looking into it until now, but from what I can gather generally the tea leaves are from the "Camellia sinensis" plant. Not sure through which process they go to...

        what kind of leaves are used for this kind of tea, and are they grown in the region?

        Interestingly I never thought of looking into it until now, but from what I can gather generally the tea leaves are from the "Camellia sinensis" plant. Not sure through which process they go to dry it and "blacken" it, but apparently this is the standard. Not sure where it is grown, but apparently "sinensis" is latin for "from China". Most of this I got from Wikipedia haha.

        Your comment reminded me of it and I'm slightly sad :'(

        Aww, I'm sorry haha, I'm sure you can find some new sets online or probably at any local Turkish/Arabic store.

        Is tea big in the Middle East also because alcoholic beverages arent as big of a daily thing?

        Not from what I know, it's just generally served quite a lot especially at gatherings or with food, we're just a culture that loves tea and coffee. Those who wish to have the experience of drinking "beer" can technically buy non-Alcoholic versions of it but it's not really a big thing, at least not in the country I have roots from. Even I (apostate) could technically drink alcohol and I just don't care for it, prefer a nice cup of black tea haha.

        oh my mistake Turkey is middle east.

        Bit of both! Turkey is half in Europe half in Asia.

        1 vote
  25. [2]
    jredd23
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    I don't have a tip cause am a coffee drinker however I do have one bit of personal experience and experiment. About two years ago I decided that I was to stop drinking coffee and drink tea; you...

    I don't have a tip cause am a coffee drinker however I do have one bit of personal experience and experiment. About two years ago I decided that I was to stop drinking coffee and drink tea; you think stopping smoking is hard, just wait. Anyway, did it - took me over 3 months by just forcing myself to it. After the 3rd month, I was comfortable and almost natural to do. You can look at machines, approach etc., whatever! just do it - you will find your way. The funniest thing, after doing it for half a year or so I drank a stout beer. Finally understood why Irish people like that stuff! Can't describe it with words but yeap, drinking tea lead me to discover the love of stout beer. Anyway, am back to coffee and my larger beers.

    2 votes
    1. tomf
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      nice! I am basically a vice-breaking master :) If you ever see it around, pick up a bottle of Samuel Smith's Taddy Porter (Tadcaster.) -- its one of my favorite porters. I pretty much only drink...

      nice! I am basically a vice-breaking master :) If you ever see it around, pick up a bottle of Samuel Smith's Taddy Porter (Tadcaster.) -- its one of my favorite porters. I pretty much only drink porters or lighter ones like french blanche, czech pilsner, etc. Another great beer is Dark Matter from Hoyne. They're a Canadian brewery, but if you see it, try it out. Super good.

      I'm about a week into only tea. It isn't too bad so far, but I still miss it. It won't be long until I part-time it.

      2 votes
  26. rosco
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    *sips on a steamy cup of decaf earl grey. There are a lot of reasons, occasions, or urges that drive tea consumption, so I think any good advice will need to resonate with you and what you're...

    *sips on a steamy cup of decaf earl grey.

    There are a lot of reasons, occasions, or urges that drive tea consumption, so I think any good advice will need to resonate with you and what you're into/hoping for. Personally, I drink a shit load of tea. Half my drinks during the day are tea, and probably 80% in the winter months. But that doesn't mean I drink one thing all day. Clumping tea into one category is harder to do that clumping all coffee into one category. Outside of "tea" ass "tea - english breakfast, oolong, green, etc - there are so many plants, fruits, herbs, and spices that make up tea. So before saying "I want to supplement my coffee drinking with tea" maybe think of what tea you might want when.

    In the morning I drink much brighter, punchier teas: Earl Grey, Gunpowder, Toasted Rice, etc. Things that get me going and moving outside. Often later in the day I'll grab for an herbal tea - hibiscus or peppermint - to mellow out or help me digest post meal. And I'll always end the day with something calming: Camomile, Sleepy time, or Lavender. Different times of the day call for different things, so the teas change accordingly.

    It's the same with seasons. In the winter or fall, I'll often reach for more spiced and fruity flavors: Winter fruit (apple, lavender, and cinnamon), Mulling spices, orange peel, etc. In the spring I'll got for bright and fragrant options: lemon grass/ginger, roobios, mint, green tea, etc. So beyond just thinking about what time of day it is, I'll take into account how the climate feels.

    And then there is the question of utility with my tea drinking. Am I sick? Then I'm going to grab some fresh ginger to crush up. Or maybe I'm just doing lemon and honey. Or hell, am I really stuffed up, maybe I'll combine all that and throw some whiskey in. Or maybe I have a sore throat. Sounds like it's time for licorice based throat coat. Am I constipated? Time for some Peppermint and Senna Root. That'll clear me out. Or maybe I'm just trying to wake up. A big cup of Earl Grey or English Breakfast will do the trick.

    My advice is to have many kinds and blends on hand at all times. Because there will be a moment when your "go to" tea won't sound good, but one of the others might. If you can find a store that sells by the pound, bring lots of little mason jars or tins, and just go ham. If it's a fun exciting thing, vs a poor replacement for coffee, I think you'll find it to be a better experience. Tea gets a bad wrap because people experience tepid, shitty, boring tea. Find the ones that speak to you and I think it'll be an easy swap!

    1 vote
  27. cloud_loud
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    I'm a big coffee guy and I really don't like tea. The only tea I can tolerate is cinammon with bay leaf. Pot of water, two sticks of cinammon, five bay leaves. Usually takes about an hour to boil.

    I'm a big coffee guy and I really don't like tea.

    The only tea I can tolerate is cinammon with bay leaf. Pot of water, two sticks of cinammon, five bay leaves. Usually takes about an hour to boil.

    1 vote
  28. Narry
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    I have three different major views on tea: hot, cold, and milk, and I'm kind of an outsider on at least two of them. My Southern heritage demands that tea be ice cold and sweet as the devil's...

    I have three different major views on tea: hot, cold, and milk, and I'm kind of an outsider on at least two of them.

    My Southern heritage demands that tea be ice cold and sweet as the devil's lies. And while I can drink this, my body complains so if you see me drinking sweet tea in the spring and summer, it's likely sweetened with Stevia instead, and I've cut it to be almost not even really tea. My people like it strong as hell, but I do not. I am an outsider in my own culture.

    I grew up being given hot tea only when I was sick, and always served with lemon and honey. When I was about 10 or 11 we got cable TV and both Comedy Central and Nickelodeon were trying to get their feet under them at the time, so I got shown quite a lot of British comedies and cartoons. And I of course noticed them drinking tea, and always they put some sugar and milk in it. Well, we had tea and I was allowed to boil water, so I made myself a cup of what is now called Celestial Seasonings Bengal Spice but had a different name back in the early 90's. I added sugar and let it dissolve, then added milk and tried it a bit timidly but... those wacky Brits were right, that stuff was gold. I switched to Earl Grey for many years after seeing a rerun of Star Trek the Next Generation and Jean-Luc Picard ordering it. Let it never be said that I'm immune to propaganda or cultural influence from television shows. And now I drink mostly Scottish Breakfast, Oolong, and varieties of green, and I don't drink hot tea without sweetener (stevia, now, and/or monk fruit) and more milk than is probably seemly. But this is how I drink tea, and it tastes wrong and bad without the extra body that milk brings. For a long time I couldn't tolerate dairy milk, so I used Oatmilk and that worked just fine.

    Finally, we come to green tea and the paradox of everything I just said. Green tea is often meant to be drunk hot, with delicate flavors, and most people I know sweeten it. I like it ice cold, genmaicha style (with roasted rice in the brew bag) and completely unsweetened. I don't like it with sweeteners, I don't like it warm. Ice cold, genmaicha style, no sweetener.

    Those are some tea things, I guess. I have no idea if you're going to find this useful. I hope so?

    1 vote
  29. ackables
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    Not a tea expert by any means, but if you want no sweetener or milk, Asian teas are the best. I had some South Korean Tea that was white tea based, with some fruity and floral additions for...

    Not a tea expert by any means, but if you want no sweetener or milk, Asian teas are the best. I had some South Korean Tea that was white tea based, with some fruity and floral additions for flavor. Maybe this is sacrilegious to Brits, but black tea does not taste good without milk at the very least.

    1 vote
  30. [4]
    chocobean
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    Do you live near a tea restaurant that lets you try a whole bunch of different ones? Since you liked going to a roaster nearby, I suggest the best way to get into it is to find and visit a good...

    Do you live near a tea restaurant that lets you try a whole bunch of different ones? Since you liked going to a roaster nearby, I suggest the best way to get into it is to find and visit a good tea nerd hub and talking to the owners.

    Forget the chains that hire teens who don't know anything. Go find an authentic restaurant from a culture that serves breakfast with tea and try them: they may not nerd out either but it'll give you a clue as to how other cultures get their morning fix, and you can see which style is more your speed.

    What do you eat for breakfast, something heavy and oily which needs a stronger brew or something light that benefits from a mid-ferment, or even going without breakfast so pairing with a white or green?

    For myself, a good HK cafe instant noodle + sausage egg combo pair with hot or cold yuenyueng or HK milk tea since you're leaving the coffee world. There's no way I can stock up on the many tea leaves necessary for the brew so I leave it to a good restaurant.

    If I'm having a good dinner then I can enjoy a nice cup of gongfu (usually an oolong or similar) that I can even prep slowly at home to wind down the day.

    But I'm not a tea nerd. I mostly drink grocery store mix genmaicha or haphazardly prepared lychee red during the day.

    1 vote
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      tomf
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      going TO the roaster? Peasant! The roaster delivers to ME -- and he's got a really cool MR2 all tricked out. I would rather pick up using mason jars, but we never got to that point. Anyway, I...

      going TO the roaster? Peasant! The roaster delivers to ME -- and he's got a really cool MR2 all tricked out. I would rather pick up using mason jars, but we never got to that point.

      Anyway, I absolutely have great tea shops nearby. I think I'll make it a weekly thing. Its a cool spot -- all of the cups are one-off pottery -- lots of raku and stuff.

      I wish I could have that much dairy. I'd be 600lbs from all of the black sesame bbt, though.. so its kind of a blessing.

      For breakfast I have granola w/ blueberries, plain yogurt, and a little honey and a protein shake on the side --- if I do have anything more, I'll do a french omelette or a really simple HK style egg sandwich if I want some bread. Pairing tea is definitely up my alley.

      Its funny -- esp for HK spots, I've got a long list of places I've put off going to.. so I might as well hit them up now.

      thanks for this!

      1 vote
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        chocobean
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        Haha XD of course of course, why make a trip when they can deliver Would love to hear more of your tea reviews for trying the good stuff :)

        Haha XD of course of course, why make a trip when they can deliver

        Would love to hear more of your tea reviews for trying the good stuff :)

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        1. tomf
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          i think i’m the only person who subscribed for their coffee. he was between shops and always delivers late at night. great beans, though. always really interesting ones. the ol eating and drinking...

          i think i’m the only person who subscribed for their coffee. he was between shops and always delivers late at night. great beans, though. always really interesting ones.

          the ol eating and drinking will eventually have something :)

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    whs
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    Piggy-bagging on the thread, does anyone know how to get tea without manually brewing? Usually I'd drink Itoen-brand jasmine tea. It's ฿30 per bottle which I feel is expensive for just tea leaves...

    Piggy-bagging on the thread, does anyone know how to get tea without manually brewing?

    Usually I'd drink Itoen-brand jasmine tea. It's ฿30 per bottle which I feel is expensive for just tea leaves and water in a PET bottle (sugary tea is less than this) and I could get better tea leaves for the same price. Sometimes I "upgrade" to imported Ayataka from Japan - I really like the drink when I was in Japan around 2018 and it is just ~120 yen but the imported ones I bought this year (~฿70) I felt the quality has dropped. Bottled tea is not an option when you want to drink tea as a replacement for plain old water.

    Then I bought an automated tea machine. It has three compartments - you fill water into a reservoir, then press a button. The machine pump the water into hot water and fill the top compartment, which you've added tea leaves. After a minute or so (depending on which button you press) the liquid inside will flow to the lower compartment. This ensures that you don't oversteep the tea which was a problem when I use manual brewers - I'd brew the tea and forgot about it until half an hour later.

    The problem with this machine is that the water is only about 75C hot and is non configurable. Its small top compartment only brew about a cup. I wish it would just repeat the process until the bottom compartment is full or allow me to queue orders. Finally, it is past its end of sale and the top compartment broke today.

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    1. whs
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      Update: My dad replaced it with the second generation of the device after the same vendor said they no longer have spare parts for the first one. This version looks a lot smaller than the first...

      Update: My dad replaced it with the second generation of the device after the same vendor said they no longer have spare parts for the first one.

      This version looks a lot smaller than the first one, fixed some of its issues and added some new ones.

      The reservoir seems to have the same capacity, although it look much smaller. When you start the machine, it keep pumping water into the upper bowl until it runs dry. They removed the timer, so you're in control of the steep time now - but you'll have to steep it yourself by pushing a button. The water seems to be still at 75C hot. Finally, they added a hot plate at the bottom pot. Since it start warming when the machine start, I assume that if you forgot to steep not only you get worse tea but you will also risk breaking the bottom pot.

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    2. chocobean
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      What an interesting machine, I've never heard of it. If it's simply not hot enough I would suggest an electric coffee mug that heats the finished product to hotter temp. But alas it broke :( What...

      What an interesting machine, I've never heard of it.

      If it's simply not hot enough I would suggest an electric coffee mug that heats the finished product to hotter temp. But alas it broke :(

      What about a slow drip + very hot water percolator?