109 votes

Reddit has quarantined /r/The_Donald

Just happened minutes ago, so not much information yet.

I think it's likely that this article from Monday might have finally pushed it over the edge (since it's usually media attention that does it): You can’t offer to murder cops on Reddit unless you’re on r/TheDonald

The quarantine message says:

It is restricted due to significant issues with reporting and addressing violations of the Reddit Content Policy. Most recently the violations have included threats of violence against police and public officials.

As a visitor or member, you can help moderators maintain the community by reporting and downvoting rule-breaking content.

Here's the message the admins sent them:

Dear Mods,

We want to let you know that your community has been quarantined, as outlined in Reddit’s Content Policy.

The reason for the quarantine is that over the last few months we have observed repeated rule-breaking behavior in your community and an over-reliance on Reddit admins to manage users and remove posts that violate our content policy, including content that encourages or incites violence. Most recently, we have observed this behavior in the form of encouragement of violence towards police officers and public officials in Oregon. This is not only in violation of our site-wide policies, but also your own community rules (rule #9). You can find violating content that we removed in your mod logs.

As we have discussed in the past, and as detailed in our content policy and moderator guidelines, we expect you to enforce against rule-breaking content. You’ve made progress over the last year, but we continue to observe and take action on a disproportionate amount of rule-breaking behavior in this community. We recognize that you do remove posts that are reported, but we are troubled that violent content more often goes unreported, and worse, is upvoted.

User reports and downvotes are an essential way that Reddit functions to moderate content. Limiting or prohibiting them prevents you from moderating your community effectively. Because of this, we are disabling your custom styling in order to restore these essential functions.

As stated in our Moderator Guidelines, our goal is to keep the platform alive and vibrant, as well as to ensure your community can reach people interested in it. Accordingly, here are the specific terms of the quarantine and the next steps we are asking from you as a mod team to resolve this situation.

Quarantine terms:

Visitors to this community will see a warning that requires users to explicitly opt-in to viewing it. This messaging reminds users of the importance of reporting rule-breaking content.

Custom styling has been disabled to restore the report and downvote buttons.

We hope both these changes will help improve the signal around rule-breaking content and improve your ability to effectively address it.

Next steps:

You unambiguously communicate to your subscribers that violent content is unacceptable.

You communicate to your users that reporting is a core function of Reddit and is essential to maintaining the health and viability of the community.

Following that, we will continue to monitor your community, specifically looking at report rate and for patterns of rule-violating content.

Undertake any other actions you determine to reduce the amount of rule-violating content.

Following these changes, we will consider an appeal to lift the quarantine, in line with the process outlined here.

We hope that this process provides a viable way forward to restore the health of the community. However, if this situation continues to escalate, we will explore further actions, including the possible banning of your community.

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141 comments

  1. [48]
    alyaza
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    i do find it relatively funny that T_D threatening violence against public officials only leads to a quarantine (which might kill external traffic to a sub but in practice will likely just create...

    i do find it relatively funny that T_D threatening violence against public officials only leads to a quarantine (which might kill external traffic to a sub but in practice will likely just create another space of radicalization while ensuring reddit can still profit off of the traffic of the people in it), and yet reddit also threatened to outright ban (not just quarantine) /r/ChapoTrapHouse specifically over "kill slaveowners" jokes not that long ago, which seems quite a step below what T_D is accused of here. reddit's standards for what gets your subreddit collectively punished are so, so fucking muddled and arcane that it's stupid and it's obvious they're always flying by the seat of their pants when they do it, because there is zero consistency to how they apply anything.

    66 votes
    1. [29]
      Douglas
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      Steve Huffman (spez) is a libertarian, and likely sides more with the right than he does the left. He has already talked about how he stows guns, owns a bunker, and is a prepper for the end of the...

      Steve Huffman (spez) is a libertarian, and likely sides more with the right than he does the left.

      He has already talked about how he stows guns, owns a bunker, and is a prepper for the end of the world wherein he thinks he will be a "leader" and not a "slave" (...apparently those are the only two options? so he's going to be a leader of slaves? instead of a manager of workers in an accommodating work environment?)

      It would not surprise me if he identifies very much with the right, or at the very least the protecting of corporate interests, much like how Netflix says out loud that they are against the abortion ban, but bankrolls all of the politicians who support it more than they do the dems, because their CEO supports privatization of schools.

      44 votes
      1. [11]
        alyaza
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        oh, i'm well aware of spez's idiotic sympathies. he's also on record as saying that ”the_donald is a small part of a large problem we face in this country — that a large part of the population...

        oh, i'm well aware of spez's idiotic sympathies. he's also on record as saying that ”the_donald is a small part of a large problem we face in this country — that a large part of the population feels unheard, and the last thing we're going to do is take their voice away.” and acting as if that somehow justifies not blowing T_D up and justifies giving them slightly preferential treatment in regards to moderation as has generally been the case prior to now.

        29 votes
        1. [10]
          aphoenix
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          I was super happy when Steve Huffman left, and not happy at all when he came back. Give me Yishan and Ellen any day.

          I was super happy when Steve Huffman left, and not happy at all when he came back.

          Give me Yishan and Ellen any day.

          20 votes
          1. shiruken
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            Ellen only please. Yishan wanted to be even more hands off.

            Ellen only please. Yishan wanted to be even more hands off.

            22 votes
          2. [8]
            knocklessmonster
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            I was a little blindly internet "liberal" at the time. Was Ellen Pao run out for trying to be progressive, and the community wouldn't take it?

            I was a little blindly internet "liberal" at the time. Was Ellen Pao run out for trying to be progressive, and the community wouldn't take it?

            1. [6]
              TheJorro
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              Nope. She didn't really do anything except be a woman, it seems.

              Nope. She didn't really do anything except be a woman, it seems.

              16 votes
              1. [4]
                Deimos
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                That's not quite true, she was the one in charge during two major things that both caused big reddit uproars that made a huge mess of the site for days: Victoria getting fired by Alexis (but...

                That's not quite true, she was the one in charge during two major things that both caused big reddit uproars that made a huge mess of the site for days:

                • Victoria getting fired by Alexis (but blamed on Ellen)
                • /r/FatPeopleHate getting banned

                (@knocklessmonster)

                30 votes
                1. [2]
                  psi
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                  I wouldn't blame Ellen for either of those. In fact, here's the former reddit CEO (yishan) calling out spez for using Ellen as a scapegoat (emphasis added): And as a bonus instance of spez acting...

                  I wouldn't blame Ellen for either of those. In fact, here's the former reddit CEO (yishan) calling out spez for using Ellen as a scapegoat (emphasis added):

                  AYYYYYY LMAO

                  How's everyone doing? This is AWESOME!

                  There's something I neglected to tell you all this time ("executive privilege", but hey I'm declassifying a lot of things these days). Back around the time of the /r/creepshots debacle, I wrote to /u/spez for advice. I had met him shortly after I had taken the job, and found him to be a great guy. Back in the day when reddit was small, the areas he oversaw were engineering, product, and the business aspects - those are the same things I tend to focus on in a company (each CEO has certain areas of natural focus, and hires others to oversee the rest). As a result, we were able to connect really well and have a lot of great conversations - talking to him was really valuable.

                  Well, when things were heating around the /r/creepshots thing and people were calling for its banning, I wrote to him to ask for advice. The very interesting thing he wrote back was "back when I was running things, if there was anything racist, sexist, or homophobic I'd ban it right away. I don't think there's a place for such things on reddit. Of course, now that reddit is much bigger, I understand if maybe things are different."

                  I've always remembered that email when I read the occasional posting here where people say "the founders of reddit intended this to be a place for free speech." Human minds love originalism, e.g. "we're in trouble, so surely if we go back to the original intentions, we can make things good again." Sorry to tell you guys but NO, that wasn't their intention at all ever. Sucks to be you, /r/coontown - I hope you enjoy voat!

                  The free speech policy was something I formalized because it seemed like the wiser course at the time. It's worth stating that in that era, we were talking about whether it was ok for people to post creepy pictures of women taken legally in public. That's shitty, but it's a far cry from the extremes of hate that some parts of the site host today. It seemed that allowing creepers to post (anonymized) pictures of women taken in public, in a relatively small subreddit that never showed up on the front page, was a small price to pay for making it clear that we were a place welcoming of all opinions and discourse.

                  Having made that decision - much of reddit's current condition is on me. I didn't anticipate what (some) redditors would decide to do with freedom. reddit has become a lot bigger - yes, a lot better - AND a lot worse. I have to take responsibility.

                  But... the most delicious part of this is that on at least two separate occasions, the board pressed /u/ekjp to outright ban ALL the hate subreddits in a sweeping purge. She resisted, knowing the community, claiming it would be a shitshow. Ellen isn't some "evil, manipulative, out-of-touch incompetent she-devil" as was often depicted. She was approved by the board and recommended by me because when I left, she was the only technology executive anywhere who had the chops and experience to manage a startup of this size, AND who understood what reddit was all about. As we can see from her post-resignation activity, she knows perfectly well how to fit in with the reddit community and is a normal, funny person - just like in real life - she simply didn't sit on reddit all day because she was busy with her day job.

                  Ellen was more or less inclined to continue upholding my free-speech policies. /r/fatpeoplehate was banned for inciting off-site harassment, not discussing fat-shaming. What all the white-power racist-sexist neckbeards don't understand is that with her at the head of the company, the company would be immune to accusations of promoting sexism and racism: she is literally Silicon Valley's #1 Feminist Hero, so any "SJWs" would have a hard time attacking the company for intentionally creating a bastion (heh) of sexist/racist content. She probably would have tolerated your existence so long as you didn't cause any problems - I know that her long-term strategies were to find ways to surface and publicize reddit's good parts - allowing the bad parts to exist but keeping them out of the spotlight. It would have been very principled - the CEO of reddit, who once sued her previous employer for sexual discrimination, upholds free speech and tolerates the ugly side of humanity because it is so important to maintaining a platform for open discourse. It would have been unassailable.

                  Well, now she's gone (you did it reddit!), and /u/spez has the moral authority as a co-founder to move ahead with the purge. We tried to let you govern yourselves and you failed, so now The Man is going to set some Rules. Admittedly, I can't say I'm terribly upset.

                  http://i.imgur.com/BBvdWuv.gif

                  And as a bonus instance of spez acting shitty towards Ellen, there's this exchange (which was posted in the wake of spez getting caught editing other people's comments):

                  [CaptInsane]

                  How do you feel about ArsTechnica's David Kravets comparing you to Ellen Pao, and that despite all the hate she got she didn't stoop this low?

                  [spez]

                  It's fair. Ellen wasn't the first Reddit engineer, so she probably lacked the expertise to do it, and even if she did, she was smart enough to not.

                  [ekjp]

                  Yeah, there's no comparison. I would have immediately fired anyone who did that.

                  23 votes
                  1. Fdashstop
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                    Oh god is that second exchange so satisfying

                    Oh god is that second exchange so satisfying

                    3 votes
                2. knocklessmonster
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                  There it is. I just remember seeing the hate, and some of the anger about fatpeoplehate (which was voiced by a small minority of users in fatpeoplestories, most people there were happy about it)....

                  There it is. I just remember seeing the hate, and some of the anger about fatpeoplehate (which was voiced by a small minority of users in fatpeoplestories, most people there were happy about it). It all came back.

                  5 votes
              2. knocklessmonster
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                I thought there was something I'd missed, apparently not.

                I thought there was something I'd missed, apparently not.

      2. [2]
        ubergeek
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        Like all for-profit corporations: Reddit doesn't lean left or right. It leans pro-profits next Q.

        Like all for-profit corporations: Reddit doesn't lean left or right. It leans pro-profits next Q.

        9 votes
        1. bee
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          So right. I mean, one side of the political spectrum is very clearly wants to benefit massive corporations whilst the other, not so much. It's not really just "wherever the wind blows."

          So right. I mean, one side of the political spectrum is very clearly wants to benefit massive corporations whilst the other, not so much. It's not really just "wherever the wind blows."

          3 votes
      3. Hypersapien
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        Can the board of directors kick him out?

        Can the board of directors kick him out?

        3 votes
      4. [4]
        doug3465
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        Ok I'm sorry but what the fuck? (At him not you) Can you link me to something about this please?

        Ok I'm sorry but what the fuck? (At him not you) Can you link me to something about this please?

        1 vote
        1. [3]
          Deimos
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          That's from this article: Doomsday Prep for the Super-Rich

          That's from this article: Doomsday Prep for the Super-Rich

          Huffman has been a frequent attendee at Burning Man, the annual, clothing-optional festival in the Nevada desert, where artists mingle with moguls. He fell in love with one of its core principles, “radical self-reliance,” which he takes to mean “happy to help others, but not wanting to require others.” (Among survivalists, or “preppers,” as some call themselves, FEMA, the Federal Emergency Management Agency, stands for “Foolishly Expecting Meaningful Aid.”) Huffman has calculated that, in the event of a disaster, he would seek out some form of community: “Being around other people is a good thing. I also have this somewhat egotistical view that I’m a pretty good leader. I will probably be in charge, or at least not a slave, when push comes to shove.”

          13 votes
          1. doug3465
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            Thanks. Weird stuff. Why he would ever publicize this is beyond me.

            Thanks. Weird stuff. Why he would ever publicize this is beyond me.

            6 votes
          2. Neverland
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            I was just thinking about this statement and his prepper hobby. I found that his statement sounded insane at the time. The egotistical part aside, having just read this apocalyptic document it’s...

            I was just thinking about this statement and his prepper hobby. I found that his statement sounded insane at the time. The egotistical part aside, having just read this apocalyptic document it’s actually a very practical position, isn’t it?

            1 vote
      5. [9]
        knocklessmonster
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        This is just the rich thing to do. Even Post Malone, who is much younger, is setting up a survival bunker in Utah.

        stows guns, owns a bunker, and is a prepper for the end of the world

        This is just the rich thing to do. Even Post Malone, who is much younger, is setting up a survival bunker in Utah.

        11 votes
        1. [5]
          NaraVara
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          My favorite thing about preppers is that they'll have a garage full of guns and ammo, but 1 working toilet that assumes indoor plumbing will continue to work and a bin full of Brita filters. The...

          My favorite thing about preppers is that they'll have a garage full of guns and ammo, but 1 working toilet that assumes indoor plumbing will continue to work and a bin full of Brita filters. The apocalypse is going to be full of heavily armed morons dying of scurvy if they lucked into not shitting themselves to death first.

          3 votes
          1. [4]
            Rocket_Man
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            I think that's because it's more of a fantasy for them. It's like the walking dead and they want to be the winners/survivors. Which is amazingly lame, because I actually have an interest in...

            I think that's because it's more of a fantasy for them. It's like the walking dead and they want to be the winners/survivors. Which is amazingly lame, because I actually have an interest in prepping for realistic disasters. I would welcome interesting solutions to common problems such as sourcing vitamin c. If these people were actually half useful and focused on helping themselves and others survive short-term disasters they might actually do some good during disasters.

            3 votes
            1. NaraVara
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              It is lame. If they wanted to embark on a zany flight of fancy they could build an earthship or something instead. The problem is most of that stuff you're talking about involves actually...

              It is lame. If they wanted to embark on a zany flight of fancy they could build an earthship or something instead.

              The problem is most of that stuff you're talking about involves actually educating yourself on nerdy things like botany, agronomy, etc. You can't just buy it at a store and feel "prepared." You need to both read it in books AND then go hiking and find it in the world.

              FWIW, in a realistic disaster situation most of the knowledge that will save your life is going to need extremely hyper-local knowledge of the flora and conditions. And much of it involves knowing how to find emergency services and other trappings of civilization as anything else.

              2 votes
            2. monarda
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              Where I live I would source vitamin C from rose hips such as Rosa nutkana and Rosa pisocarpa.

              Where I live I would source vitamin C from rose hips such as Rosa nutkana and Rosa pisocarpa.

              1 vote
        2. unknown user
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          That's a sad thing to do, but at least they're spending some of that money, which is a good thing for us plebs. It is sad that these people are stupid enough that they believe they'll survive an...

          That's a sad thing to do, but at least they're spending some of that money, which is a good thing for us plebs. It is sad that these people are stupid enough that they believe they'll survive an apocalypse because they have a bunker tho. No society, no life. Without electricity, they'll starve in a few weeks at most. The most prepared among them could maybe make it for a few years if it was nothing nuclear or similar, living a middle ages peasant life of working the whole day only for survival.

          Obviously you don't need to be too smart to become rich...

          2 votes
        3. [2]
          Macil
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          I hate how people keep bringing this up as a thing to criticize him about, when there are real things to criticize too. If I were stupid rich, I'd spend a little on a few backup plans too. Who...

          I hate how people keep bringing this up as a thing to criticize him about, when there are real things to criticize too. If I were stupid rich, I'd spend a little on a few backup plans too. Who wouldn't?

          2 votes
          1. knocklessmonster
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            I frankly just meant it as an example as to how far-reaching it is as a thing, and it's not an age thing. Arguably, Post would do better than an old man with a huge hired security force, assuming...

            I frankly just meant it as an example as to how far-reaching it is as a thing, and it's not an age thing.

            Arguably, Post would do better than an old man with a huge hired security force, assuming he's surrounded himself with friends.

            2 votes
      6. [2]
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        1. Deimos
          Link Parent
          Please don't attack people based on their appearance. That's low.

          Please don't attack people based on their appearance. That's low.

          10 votes
    2. Hypersapien
      Link Parent
      On the contrary. Reddit's standards aren't muddled or arcane at all. They're actually very simple. If you make money for them, you get a slap on the wrist. If you don't make money for them, they...

      On the contrary. Reddit's standards aren't muddled or arcane at all. They're actually very simple. If you make money for them, you get a slap on the wrist. If you don't make money for them, they bring the ban hammer down.

      26 votes
    3. [13]
      Loire
      Link Parent
      Like it or not (along with @Douglas 's response) t_d is the "official" subreddit for Donald Trump, the current president of the United States and figurehead of the Republican party which makes up...

      Like it or not (along with @Douglas 's response) t_d is the "official" subreddit for Donald Trump, the current president of the United States and figurehead of the Republican party which makes up "one half" of U.S. politics.

      Banning them is terrible optics in our current media environment. Even with just a quarantine there are going to be be upteenth freeze peach news articles about this. You and I both know what members of the Donald do, but the average person who has never been there or doesn't spend much time on reddit is going to see "Reddit bans Donald Trump support froup" and it's going to play out terribly.

      11 votes
      1. [7]
        alyaza
        Link Parent
        the "average person" who doesn't know what reddit is probably doesn't give a shit about reddit or what goes on on the website, to be perfectly honest with you, and it's not like reddit is doing...

        You and I both know what members of the Donald do, but the average person who has never been there or doesn't spend much time on reddit is going to see "Reddit bans Donald Trump support froup" and it's going to play out terribly.

        the "average person" who doesn't know what reddit is probably doesn't give a shit about reddit or what goes on on the website, to be perfectly honest with you, and it's not like reddit is doing some sort of radical shit here, nor do i think any media storm is going to last or matter. ravelry literally just banned support for donald trump three days ago and the media storm surrounding that (which was huge, it was a trending topic on twitter for like 12 hours) is already done and over with because internet culture war bullshit has no staying power anymore. of course right wingers are going to be persecutorial about it, but they're always fucking persecutorial when shit they don't like happens.

        23 votes
        1. [6]
          Loire
          (edited )
          Link Parent
          Ravelry is a community of knitters and cross stitchers, reddit is the seventh most trafficked website on the internet and is known within the mainstream. I mean, yes, and the proper response is to...

          Ravelry is a community of knitters and cross stitchers, reddit is the seventh most trafficked website on the internet and is known within the mainstream.

          of course right wingers are going to be persecutorial about it, but they're always fucking persecutorial when shit they don't like happens.

          I mean, yes, and the proper response is to ignore them, but whether or not reddit does that is the question because up to this point the_donald has gotten away with supporting at least one literal murder without reddit taking a stance.

          7 votes
          1. [5]
            alyaza
            Link Parent
            reddit is also basically ignored by the media on a widespread scale, despite its "mainstream" popularity. can you name the last time reddit was actually in the news and not just being covered by...

            Ravelry is a community of knitters and cross stitchers, reddit is the seventh most trafficked website on the internet and is known within the mainstream.

            reddit is also basically ignored by the media on a widespread scale, despite its "mainstream" popularity. can you name the last time reddit was actually in the news and not just being covered by one or two middle-tier news outlets from time to time? because the last time i can was literally over a year and change ago.

            6 votes
            1. [4]
              apoctr
              Link Parent
              There are pretty constant articles on the BBC involving reddit. But I agree with your general point.

              can you name the last time reddit was actually in the news and not just being covered by one or two middle-tier news outlets from time to time?

              There are pretty constant articles on the BBC involving reddit. But I agree with your general point.

              3 votes
              1. [3]
                alyaza
                Link Parent
                well, most of those seem more like reddit being offhandedly mentioned or being included as a small part of the story than reddit itself the website actually being covered like facebook or youtube...

                well, most of those seem more like reddit being offhandedly mentioned or being included as a small part of the story than reddit itself the website actually being covered like facebook or youtube or other big websites normally are, which is more what i was going for. reddit gets mentioned in the media not-infrequently for certain, but as far as actually being covered by media, i'd struggle to name more than a few instances, most of which are well in the past and come from the website's userbase exploding.

                2 votes
                1. [2]
                  mundane_and_naive
                  Link Parent
                  Could it be because Reddit hasn't done much "news-worthy" stuff? IIRC, the last time a controversy happened due to Reddit was the Boston Bombing, and it made the news heavily then.

                  Could it be because Reddit hasn't done much "news-worthy" stuff? IIRC, the last time a controversy happened due to Reddit was the Boston Bombing, and it made the news heavily then.

                  1 vote
                  1. TheJorro
                    Link Parent
                    There are dozens of articles written everyday based on a handful of random people on Twitter expressing their opinion on something. By that metric, almost everything that happens on Reddit is far...

                    There are dozens of articles written everyday based on a handful of random people on Twitter expressing their opinion on something. By that metric, almost everything that happens on Reddit is far more newsworthy.

                    3 votes
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      2. [2]
        alexandria
        Link Parent
        It's sad that banning hatred is more unacceptable than the actual hatred. In an ideal world, what should be the news here? IMO, the news should be that t_d was hateful enough to get banned in the...

        Banning them is terrible optics in our current media environment.

        It's sad that banning hatred is more unacceptable than the actual hatred.

        In an ideal world, what should be the news here? IMO, the news should be that t_d was hateful enough to get banned in the first place, with a focus on the disgusting comments that were getting upvoted, from a perspective of "who in their right mind would say such disgusting things?".

        9 votes
        1. Loire
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          That's not the spin that the media will put on it and thus thats not what the average american will see. Do you understand how completely brainwashed the average American is? There are tens of...

          It's sad that banning hatred is more unacceptable than the actual hatred.

          That's not the spin that the media will put on it and thus thats not what the average american will see.

          Do you understand how completely brainwashed the average American is? There are tens of millions of Americans out there who think the Mueller report completely exonerated Trump. When interviewed about it they were shocked to learn thats not at all what the report said.

          Fox news (and increasingly CNN) will avoid mentioning all the heinous shit members if t_d have done. CNN will have a talking head panel with a dithering liberal and a loud conservative talking over them proudly yelling about free speech and the first amendment. Tucker Carlson will put on his best squinty face an elucidate America on the dangers of the "facist left" that has permeated into silicone valley seeking to silence good conservative Americans. Sean Hannity will come on the screen, wild eyed and complain about reddit's attack on President Trump and how this is a desperate ploy by the elites to steal 2020 from "real Americans". How this is a coup.

          And 100 million Americans will eat that shit up in varying degrees.

          I too eant to live in your ideal world. Thats not where we are at.

          7 votes
      3. [3]
        nothis
        Link Parent
        You basically just said they're not banning it because they're afraid of its users.

        You basically just said they're not banning it because they're afraid of its users.

        1 vote
        1. [2]
          Loire
          Link Parent
          They are. They are (were?) afraid of the backlash. Why wouldn't they be? Conservatives are motivated to create a ruckus. The alt right even more so.

          They are. They are (were?) afraid of the backlash. Why wouldn't they be?

          Conservatives are motivated to create a ruckus. The alt right even more so.

          2 votes
          1. nothis
            Link Parent
            What I'm saying is that not removing a violent subreddit because you're afraid of them lashing out is a pretty poor justification. I don't think that's their real justification, probably more...

            What I'm saying is that not removing a violent subreddit because you're afraid of them lashing out is a pretty poor justification. I don't think that's their real justification, probably more something between ad money and "libertarian views".

            4 votes
    4. determinism
      Link Parent
      I was recently banned/suspended indefinitely from reddit for sharing a radio station's webpage that hosted that linkedin dump of ICE employees. My immediate response was "fair enough" although I...

      I was recently banned/suspended indefinitely from reddit for sharing a radio station's webpage that hosted that linkedin dump of ICE employees. My immediate response was "fair enough" although I thought it might be an interesting experiment to see if ICE themselves publish some sort of list of known "illegals" and their occupations to see if sharing it on reddit resulted in the same treatment. I'm sure several such lists have been published - if not by ICE than by some other paramilitary group or anti-migration or white nationalist organization - but it probably wouldn't be worth it to echo that information for something so arbitrary and personal.

      At first I considered scraping my old comments and then deleting them myself but I just haven't bothered with it. That reddit account was 8 years old but I never really formed any lasting relationships on there. The community changed under my feet and I've had a growing desire to move away from it. Even though I can still log in and view my feed, I haven't been on there ever since the suspension and it honestly feels liberating.

      6 votes
    5. [3]
      teaearlgraycold
      Link Parent
      Don't quarantined subreddits have ads removed? I suppose T_D zealots will look at ads when spewing nonsense on other subs, though.

      while ensuring reddit can still profit off of the traffic of the people in it

      Don't quarantined subreddits have ads removed? I suppose T_D zealots will look at ads when spewing nonsense on other subs, though.

      4 votes
      1. [2]
        alyaza
        Link Parent
        they do, but i'm pretty confident reddit can and does still indirectly profit off of them (because they drive traffic which would be desirable to advertisers) and the users of course aren't...

        they do, but i'm pretty confident reddit can and does still indirectly profit off of them (because they drive traffic which would be desirable to advertisers) and the users of course aren't confined by the bounds of the subreddit.

        9 votes
        1. Ghost1y
          Link Parent
          They also buy a lot of gold. Also, reddit has had no ads on T_D for a while now after people started sending advertisers screenshots of their ads next to the hateful shit they say in that...

          They also buy a lot of gold. Also, reddit has had no ads on T_D for a while now after people started sending advertisers screenshots of their ads next to the hateful shit they say in that subreddit, so reddit has literally been subsidizing T_D for years.

          8 votes
  2. [4]
    dubteedub
    Link
    This was obviously a long time coming and I am extremely happy to see the admins finally take meaningful action on /r/the_donald. T_D has been promoting white nationalism and calls for violence...

    This was obviously a long time coming and I am extremely happy to see the admins finally take meaningful action on /r/the_donald.

    T_D has been promoting white nationalism and calls for violence for years with impunity on the site. It is not like these recent comments about the Oregon politicians came in a vacuum.

    Redditors on T_D were responsible for supporting and promoting the "Unite the Right" Rally that led to a woman being murdered by a neo-nazi terrorist.

    A T_D poster named /u/seattle4Truth murdered his own father for being a "pedophile rapist."

    Just a few months ago I made a few posts documenting dozens of instances that users on T_D called for "physical removal" of their various political targets by helicopter rides, a reference to Pincochet's preferred tactic of mass murder by throwing people from helicopters to their death.

    They also regularly make rope and lynching references to the white supremacist meme "Day of the Rope." Day of the Rope is a scene in the white nationalist book The Turner Diaries where all the nazis take to the streets in America and mass lynch all minorities, "degenerates," and "race traitors."

    The SPLC also did an excellent write up of all the violent white nationalist memes constantly posted on T_D here.


    So what does this quarantine mean?

    I think this will have a pretty considerable impact on T_D as a whole. When altright subs r/milliondollarextreme and r/cringeanarchy were quarantined, they experienced massive drops in traffic. The subs constantly complained that posts were not getting as many upvotes, there were less posts overall, and that many of their regular posters were no longer active.

    Because a quarantine requires users to verify their account with an email address, it seems like many of the users of these subs do not want to go through the process or opt in. In addition, many Reddit apps dont let you access Quarantined subs, or only allow you to view them after you opt in on through your account on desktop. While these may seem small, these minor inconveniences are often enough to make it not worth it for these folks and they leave for greener pastures on other sites.


    I would also just note that I am extremely surprised by how little outrage there is across Reddit regarding this. Other than the obvious anger from T_D, the only other folks that seem upset are on places like /r/watchredditdie, /r/conspiracy, and /r/subredditcancer, which have very little impact on Reddit as a whole.

    By contrast, when Reddit banned /r/fatpeoplehate in 2015, it seemed like the entire website was unusable for a couple of days as all the fatpeoplehate clones and other outrage subs took up their cause and blasted memes to the front page.

    I think a big reason we are not seeing so much anger on the front page of Reddit about this is because of the introduction of /r/popular back at the beginning of 2017 and the reconfiguration of Reddit's algorithm. It is now much harder to takeover the front page with one sub's content and many of the more hateful subs are not listed on popular at all.

    21 votes
    1. [3]
      cfabbro
      (edited )
      Link Parent
      I know you didn't really have a direct hand in why T_D got quarantined, as it was most likely just the bad press that did it (as usual for reddit)... but you have been fighting the good fight...

      I know you didn't really have a direct hand in why T_D got quarantined, as it was most likely just the bad press that did it (as usual for reddit)... but you have been fighting the good fight against T_D by raising awareness of their insanity (and reddit HQs inaction) for a very long time now... so regardless, I just wanted to reach out to say congrats and good job. 🥳👍

      11 votes
      1. [2]
        dubteedub
        Link Parent
        Hey, thanks very much! I do what I can, but it is really easy to get burnt out on this stuff. It is promising seeing what feels like a real change by the admins over the last year. I am...

        Hey, thanks very much! I do what I can, but it is really easy to get burnt out on this stuff.

        It is promising seeing what feels like a real change by the admins over the last year. I am particularly encouraged that they seem to take ban evasion really seriously now. It started with them banning at least 100 different /r/milliondollarextreme clones once that sub got taken down, and they appear to have done the same with /r/cringeanarchy and /r/frenworld more recently.

        My biggest criticism over the years is that they would just ban the one community involved, and then let them start up completely fresh again under another name.

        6 votes
        1. cfabbro
          Link Parent
          Hah, of that I have no doubt. I got burnt out just observing the mess from afar, so I can't even imagine what actually trying to put in the effort to catalogue, report and raise awareness about...

          it is really easy to get burnt out on this stuff.

          Hah, of that I have no doubt. I got burnt out just observing the mess from afar, so I can't even imagine what actually trying to put in the effort to catalogue, report and raise awareness about all the insanity has done to your psyche.

          And while the last year has been admittedly pretty promising on one front, it's been the opposite on many others, so how you still have any faith in Reddit HQ is honestly beyond me at this point. I completely lost my faith in them after all the lies we were told about new mod tools and transparency that came in the aftermath of the blackout all those years ago, which ultimately never amounted to anything despite two of my favorite admins being put on the job (but then quietly taken off it again once the hubbub died down). That whole situation pretty much broke my faith in reddit's upper management forever. And their inaction against T_D and various other horrible subreddits since then, as well as the horrible redesign and counterproductive monetization efforts they have been making lately, has just further sealed the deal for me. I am never going back there... other than to manage invite threads on /r/Tildes, and occasionally check in on the juicy drama. ;)

          4 votes
  3. [11]
    CALICO
    (edited )
    Link
    From a quick peek, TD is absolutely losing their shit over this. They really bought into that Project Veritas video and seem convinced "Google being revealed" is the reason behind it. Reddit is...

    From a quick peek, TD is absolutely losing their shit over this. They really bought into that Project Veritas video and seem convinced "Google being revealed" is the reason behind it. Reddit is communist. Reddit is fascist.

    I would find this funny if not for my countrymen being so easily duped and swindled against the interests of themselves, the nation, and global stability.

    Edit:

    Quarantine terms:

    Visitors to this community will see a warning that requires users to explicitly opt-in to viewing it. This messaging reminds users of the importance of reporting rule-breaking content.

    Custom styling has been disabled to restore the report and downvote buttons.

    We hope both these changes will help improve the signal around rule-breaking content and improve your ability to effectively address it.

    Next steps:

    You unambiguously communicate to your subscribers that violent content is unacceptable.

    You communicate to your users that reporting is a core function of Reddit and is essential to maintaining the health and viability of the community.

    Following that, we will continue to monitor your community, specifically looking at report rate and for patterns of rule-violating content.

    Undertake any other actions you determine to reduce the amount of rule-violating content.

    Following these changes, we will consider an appeal to lift the quarantine, in line with the process outlined here.

    We hope that this process provides a viable way forward to restore the health of the community. However, if this situation continues to escalate, we will explore further actions, including the possible banning of your community.

    Please confirm that you have received and understand this message.

    They're really not happy about this.

    25 votes
    1. [10]
      stu2b50
      Link Parent
      I really wonder why people with just abject hatred of a platform, that believe its run by fascist communist censoring lizards, also seem to exclusively stay on said platform and refuse to leave it.

      I really wonder why people with just abject hatred of a platform, that believe its run by fascist communist censoring lizards, also seem to exclusively stay on said platform and refuse to leave it.

      21 votes
      1. [6]
        moocow1452
        Link Parent
        Their beef is with "Reddit" not the website reddit.com, if that makes any sense. Reddit.com has been very accommodating to them by not showing them the door, where "Reddit" the culture enables the...

        Their beef is with "Reddit" not the website reddit.com, if that makes any sense. Reddit.com has been very accommodating to them by not showing them the door, where "Reddit" the culture enables the EsJayDubbaYews and the Feminists to oppress them.

        17 votes
        1. [4]
          Deimos
          Link Parent
          Oh, they absolutely believe the site itself is against them. There have been a lot of accusations along those lines over the last few years: reddit's changing the algorithm to suppress their...

          Oh, they absolutely believe the site itself is against them. There have been a lot of accusations along those lines over the last few years: reddit's changing the algorithm to suppress their posts, reddit's showing fake subscriber numbers in T_D to make it seem smaller than it really is, reddit's community managers apply different standards to them, and so on.

          One of those incidents is how the "fuck spez" thing happened, where he edited a bunch of users' posts directly in the database. The thread he did it in was T_D being mad that spez was singling the subreddit out for unfair treatment in some way.

          20 votes
          1. nacho
            Link Parent
            This has been so extremely frustrating with the incredible amounts of special treatment the sub has had practically since it started gaining traction. I've lost count of how many mods the reddit...

            This has been so extremely frustrating with the incredible amounts of special treatment the sub has had practically since it started gaining traction.

            I've lost count of how many mods the reddit admins have removed from running the community, banned, how many chances they've given the mod teams to get things in order and on and on.

            12 votes
          2. Wes
            Link Parent
            Wasn't that a misunderstanding in the end, as they were changing how the number worked site-wide? I guess T_D reacting to something without evidence isn't that hard to believe.

            reddit's showing fake subscriber numbers in T_D to make it seem smaller than it really is

            Wasn't that a misunderstanding in the end, as they were changing how the number worked site-wide?

            I guess T_D reacting to something without evidence isn't that hard to believe.

            5 votes
          3. haykam821
            Link Parent
            Well, I'm sure that doesn't help with anything.

            One of those incidents is how the "fuck spez" thing happened, where he edited a bunch of users' posts directly in the database. The thread he did it in was T_D being mad that spez was singling the subreddit out for unfair treatment in some way.

            Well, I'm sure that doesn't help with anything.

        2. alyaza
          Link Parent
          nah, T_D users definitely have at minimum a lowkey beef with reddit the website too at this point, especially post-spez incident. they've locked down on at least one occasion over reddit website...

          nah, T_D users definitely have at minimum a lowkey beef with reddit the website too at this point, especially post-spez incident. they've locked down on at least one occasion over reddit website decisions and they of course tried to migrate over to voat that one time before being strongly rebuked by the actually fascist userbase there.

          9 votes
      2. [2]
        The_Fad
        Link Parent
        I get the feeling the majority of T_D's daily users are fake, with the much fewer remaining users being made up of people who believe they're "fighting the good fight from within", so to speak.

        I get the feeling the majority of T_D's daily users are fake, with the much fewer remaining users being made up of people who believe they're "fighting the good fight from within", so to speak.

        7 votes
        1. ubergeek
          Link Parent
          I've had that feeling for quite some time. It's pretty much just a bot meme farm at this point; with likely a couple thousand real humans.

          I've had that feeling for quite some time. It's pretty much just a bot meme farm at this point; with likely a couple thousand real humans.

          4 votes
      3. culturedleftfoot
        Link Parent
        You are asking for a level of self-awareness and critical thinking that T_D tends to shy away from.

        You are asking for a level of self-awareness and critical thinking that T_D tends to shy away from.

        2 votes
  4. [31]
    rkcr
    Link
    As an aside, from the quarantine post: I can't believe reddit still lets people get away with people using CSS to remove important functionality on the site. :P

    As an aside, from the quarantine post:

    Custom styling has been disabled to restore the report and downvote buttons.

    I can't believe reddit still lets people get away with people using CSS to remove important functionality on the site. :P

    25 votes
    1. [6]
      talkingwires
      Link Parent
      A quick glance through the posts shows that quite a few people there find it unreasonable for Reddit to rely on users to report content violating site-wide policies. How do these folks imagine a...

      A quick glance through the posts shows that quite a few people there find it unreasonable for Reddit to rely on users to report content violating site-wide policies. How do these folks imagine a gigantic site that relies solely on user-generated content operates? There's a team of people reading the millions of posts created each day? That subreddit moderators are paid employees that spend hours each day micromanaging their community? Sheesh.

      10 votes
      1. [4]
        Anwyl
        Link Parent
        Personally I think sites with user generated content should hire enough moderators to review that content. It'd mean an end to mass UGC as we know it, but I'm honestly fine with that. My...

        Personally I think sites with user generated content should hire enough moderators to review that content. It'd mean an end to mass UGC as we know it, but I'm honestly fine with that. My impression is forum sites still work like that, but social media sites don't.

        10 votes
        1. [2]
          stu2b50
          Link Parent
          There was a post a while ago about Facebook, which contracts actual humans to moderate, and about how those moderators were literally dying -- one of them actually died on the job.

          There was a post a while ago about Facebook, which contracts actual humans to moderate, and about how those moderators were literally dying -- one of them actually died on the job.

          6 votes
          1. alyaza
            Link Parent
            yeah, this one: Bodies in Seats: At Facebook’s worst-performing content moderation site in North America, one contractor has died, and others say they fear for their lives. in fairness, facebook...

            yeah, this one: Bodies in Seats: At Facebook’s worst-performing content moderation site in North America, one contractor has died, and others say they fear for their lives. in fairness, facebook outsources their labor on this and contractors for this kind of thing are all garbage and have literally no support for these people, which contributes to the problems and outcomes you see. i'm not sold on purely human moderation as an idea, but it would definitely better if people weren't treated as warm bodies by companies which specialize in it.

            9 votes
        2. Crespyl
          Link Parent
          How do you distinguish between social media and forum sites? In my experience most forums still rely on volunteer moderators, paid moderators seem to mostly exist in the occasional for-profit...

          How do you distinguish between social media and forum sites?

          In my experience most forums still rely on volunteer moderators, paid moderators seem to mostly exist in the occasional for-profit site, and even that seems rare (outside of the occasional "community manager" or social media team, which isn't quite the same thing).

          2 votes
      2. The_Fad
        Link Parent
        To be frank, I don't think they do. I think they're more caught up in seeking vindication for perceived slights than anything else.

        How do these folks imagine a gigantic site that relies solely on user-generated content operates?

        To be frank, I don't think they do. I think they're more caught up in seeking vindication for perceived slights than anything else.

        4 votes
    2. [18]
      Eabryt
      Link Parent
      I'm in a subreddit where the CSS removes downvotes unless you're subscribed to help cut down on raiding. Obviously that can be overwritten by disabling CSS (or using a/z to vote in RES)

      I'm in a subreddit where the CSS removes downvotes unless you're subscribed to help cut down on raiding. Obviously that can be overwritten by disabling CSS (or using a/z to vote in RES)

      5 votes
      1. [11]
        Deimos
        Link Parent
        It also doesn't apply to anyone using a mobile app (which is the majority of reddit's users now), and anyone using the redesign. Hiding the downvote with CSS is almost totally ineffective at this...

        It also doesn't apply to anyone using a mobile app (which is the majority of reddit's users now), and anyone using the redesign. Hiding the downvote with CSS is almost totally ineffective at this point, because it probably only applies to about 10% of users or so.

        20 votes
        1. teaearlgraycold
          Link Parent
          I imagine that most people on the old desktop UI are also using RES, which lets you bypass that restriction in two ways: Disabling subreddit styles for just that subreddit. Pressing A with the...

          I imagine that most people on the old desktop UI are also using RES, which lets you bypass that restriction in two ways:

          1. Disabling subreddit styles for just that subreddit.
          2. Pressing A with the comment/post selected.
          6 votes
        2. [9]
          alyaza
          Link Parent
          i think even the ceiling at this point can't be more 20% for the overwhelming majority of subreddits, just pegging it based on even my small subreddit of 1,500 which sorta prioritizes the old...

          i think even the ceiling at this point can't be more 20% for the overwhelming majority of subreddits, just pegging it based on even my small subreddit of 1,500 which sorta prioritizes the old design but has a functioning redesign version. at this point there, old reddit traffic is only ~15% of the traffic on a good day, and sometimes it's closer to 10% because the redesign is increasingly eating into traffic that isn't mobile.

          EDIT: running the numbers, in our best month recently (april of this year), old reddit traffic just barely topped 21% before dropping the next month to about 18%, so yeah.

          4 votes
          1. [8]
            Deimos
            Link Parent
            This is how it looks in /r/SubredditSimulator (the largest subreddit I still "moderate"): https://i.imgur.com/liegHlv.png The pageview numbers for the most recent month are: Source Number Reddit...

            This is how it looks in /r/SubredditSimulator (the largest subreddit I still "moderate"): https://i.imgur.com/liegHlv.png

            The pageview numbers for the most recent month are:

            Source Number
            Reddit Apps 1,359,988
            Mobile Web 155,971
            New Reddit 120,009
            Old Reddit 99,304

            So that's about 6% on old reddit and 87% on mobile in there. The traffic page doesn't include traffic from third-party mobile apps either, so it's actually even more tilted towards apps than it shows.

            20 votes
            1. [7]
              nacho
              Link Parent
              That's a very different distribution from the largest subreddits on the site (former "default" subreddits) They look more like this: Source Monthly uniques Reddit apps 1.6 million Mobile web 1.7...

              That's a very different distribution from the largest subreddits on the site (former "default" subreddits)

              They look more like this:

              Source Monthly uniques
              Reddit apps 1.6 million
              Mobile web 1.7 million
              New reddit 1.4 million
              Old reddit 1.3 million

              In terms of pageviews, apps make up around two thirds.

              I'd expect voting patterns would heavily favor non-mobile users to vote more.

              Your main point still stands though.

              8 votes
              1. [3]
                EditingAndLayout
                Link Parent
                Here's the traffic in r/HighQualityGifs, which is one of the larger subreddits now. r/ReactionGifs looks the same. Pretty much matches what @Deimos is seeing.

                Here's the traffic in r/HighQualityGifs, which is one of the larger subreddits now. r/ReactionGifs looks the same. Pretty much matches what @Deimos is seeing.

                9 votes
                1. Barskie
                  Link Parent
                  Interesting stuff. Let me share the same for r/polandball - 500k subs. Our traffic is almost similar, but stronger on the redesign, less so on the reddit app.

                  Interesting stuff. Let me share the same for r/polandball - 500k subs. Our traffic is almost similar, but stronger on the redesign, less so on the reddit app.

                  1 vote
                2. nacho
                  Link Parent
                  I guess the data I pulled from a sub in the top portion in the subs sorted by most active users trends differently for some reason.

                  I guess the data I pulled from a sub in the top portion in the subs sorted by most active users trends differently for some reason.

              2. [2]
                imperialismus
                Link Parent
                Mobile web is more popular than apps? The mobile version spams you with buttons everywhere screaming at you to use the app, and if you click to make it go away, they show up again the moment you...

                Mobile web is more popular than apps? The mobile version spams you with buttons everywhere screaming at you to use the app, and if you click to make it go away, they show up again the moment you load a different page.

                3 votes
                1. alyaza
                  Link Parent
                  definitely variant on the subreddit, although i'd guess with size the two become more and more equal. on my small subreddit, mobile web usually gets doubled up by app use.

                  definitely variant on the subreddit, although i'd guess with size the two become more and more equal. on my small subreddit, mobile web usually gets doubled up by app use.

                  1 vote
              3. tomf
                Link Parent
                Slightly off-topic, but it's funny how different the platform distribution is. This is my main sub (food based), which is waaaaaay smaller (~150k, adding ~250 per day) x x Reddit Apps 53.97% Old...

                Slightly off-topic, but it's funny how different the platform distribution is. This is my main sub (food based), which is waaaaaay smaller (~150k, adding ~250 per day)

                x x
                Reddit Apps 53.97%
                Old Reddit 24.62%
                Redesign 11.39%
                Mobile Web 10.02%
                3 votes
      2. [6]
        hamstergeddon
        Link Parent
        Removing downvotes is totally fine, imo. It's removing reporting that's an issue. At that point the mods are basically saying I want the power that comes with moderation without any of the...

        Removing downvotes is totally fine, imo. It's removing reporting that's an issue. At that point the mods are basically saying I want the power that comes with moderation without any of the responsibility. Plus, it completely eliminates the primary way a saner user could bring questionable stuff on the subreddit to the moderator's attention.

        3 votes
        1. [4]
          The_Fad
          Link Parent
          Iirc their reasoning for removing it long ago was that they were getting "report bombed" or something by "bad actors". Could be remembering incorrectly though.

          Iirc their reasoning for removing it long ago was that they were getting "report bombed" or something by "bad actors". Could be remembering incorrectly though.

          5 votes
          1. [2]
            hamstergeddon
            Link Parent
            Wouldn't that be considered bregading and worth bringing to admin attention though?

            Wouldn't that be considered bregading and worth bringing to admin attention though?

            2 votes
            1. The_Fad
              Link Parent
              You are correct. As memory serves they allegedly did that and the admins kept ignoring them or something, because it was happening right around the time they were spamming the front page with T_D...

              You are correct. As memory serves they allegedly did that and the admins kept ignoring them or something, because it was happening right around the time they were spamming the front page with T_D posts.

              To be honest the whole sub's been a cluster fuck since its inception.

              4 votes
          2. Parliament
            Link Parent
            At one point, you could report any post on T_D, and it would be immediately removed until a mod manually approved it again. It worked the last time I tried it months ago. Not sure why they had the...

            At one point, you could report any post on T_D, and it would be immediately removed until a mod manually approved it again. It worked the last time I tried it months ago. Not sure why they had the auto-removal report threshold so low.

            1 vote
        2. Eabryt
          Link Parent
          Definitely agree with that. Meanwhile I mod a sub with over 100k subs and people bitch about posts but refuse to report them.

          Definitely agree with that. Meanwhile I mod a sub with over 100k subs and people bitch about posts but refuse to report them.

          3 votes
    3. [2]
      Luna
      Link Parent
      I think it's against the site rules (or used to be) but the admins do not care.

      I think it's against the site rules (or used to be) but the admins do not care.

      3 votes
      1. Cosmos
        Link Parent
        It definitely used to. I remember they used to really enforce rules like making sure there is a link back to the front page in the top left. Seems they gave up on that a while ago.

        It definitely used to. I remember they used to really enforce rules like making sure there is a link back to the front page in the top left. Seems they gave up on that a while ago.

        3 votes
    4. ubergeek
      Link Parent
      Hence why restools is pretty key for using the site. To disable the theming yourself, and enable those buttons. Sadly, lots of subs do it, too, which is stupid.

      Hence why restools is pretty key for using the site. To disable the theming yourself, and enable those buttons.

      Sadly, lots of subs do it, too, which is stupid.

      2 votes
    5. [3]
      stephen
      Link Parent
      I went there just to go downvote a bunch of shit just now. Felt pretty damn good.

      I went there just to go downvote a bunch of shit just now. Felt pretty damn good.

      1. [2]
        Keegan
        Link Parent
        That is part of why Tildes doesn't have a downvote. This way you can't blindly downvote an opposing opinion, and actual quality posts receive (up)votes.

        That is part of why Tildes doesn't have a downvote. This way you can't blindly downvote an opposing opinion, and actual quality posts receive (up)votes.

        3 votes
        1. stephen
          Link Parent
          They were actually all low quality posts though.

          actual quality posts receive

          They were actually all low quality posts though.

  5. [6]
    EditingAndLayout
    Link
    I want to know how they got away with only a quarantine.

    I want to know how they got away with only a quarantine.

    20 votes
    1. moocow1452
      Link Parent
      If I had to hazard a guess, even when the mods say they are removing threatening material, there is still enough to draw attention, and the admins had to do something about it, but not enough to...

      If I had to hazard a guess, even when the mods say they are removing threatening material, there is still enough to draw attention, and the admins had to do something about it, but not enough to incur the wrath of all conservative media all at once. Quarantine gives them an out to say that they can unquarantine the sub later when this all blows over.

      11 votes
    2. Algernon_Asimov
      Link Parent
      Because the Reddit admins don't want to deal with the absolute riot that would occur if they outright banned that subreddit. The admins are not being driven by principle here, they're being driven...

      Because the Reddit admins don't want to deal with the absolute riot that would occur if they outright banned that subreddit.

      The admins are not being driven by principle here, they're being driven by outside factors. They're not taking a stand against evil things and being willing to fight the good fight. They're just trying to damp down a bad public relations situation by doing the minimum necessary to make the problem go away. That's how they've always dealt with these things: wait until they become a problem, and then do as little as possible.

      10 votes
    3. [3]
      ubergeek
      Link Parent
      Sweet, sweet ad money. How much traffic do you think reddit would lose, if it lost t_d?

      Sweet, sweet ad money.

      How much traffic do you think reddit would lose, if it lost t_d?

      2 votes
      1. [2]
        Wes
        Link Parent
        They might make a lot of ad money, but I'm sure t_d equally creates a lot of work for the admins. Maybe things have changed recently, but historically it's been the well-paid engineers who have...

        They might make a lot of ad money, but I'm sure t_d equally creates a lot of work for the admins. Maybe things have changed recently, but historically it's been the well-paid engineers who have had to stop work to come clean up after petty squabbles. They'd probably be just as happy to be rid of them.

        4 votes
        1. ubergeek
          Link Parent
          Most of the admin work is volunteer. It took news hitting media for reddit to lift a finger and do anything. Eh. It's still a net positive profit line, is what matters. Don't have the numbers, but...

          but I'm sure t_d equally creates a lot of work for the admins

          Most of the admin work is volunteer. It took news hitting media for reddit to lift a finger and do anything.

          but historically it's been the well-paid engineers who have had to stop work to come clean up after petty squabbles.

          Eh. It's still a net positive profit line, is what matters.

          They'd probably be just as happy to be rid of them.

          Don't have the numbers, but I surmise you may be correct that the numbers have turned, at this point. Bots don't usually drive good ad engagement.

          4 votes
  6. Parliament
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    I don't have anything significant to add here, but I'm thrilled about the quarantine. Admins should have ripped the banned-aid off and shut down T_D for good though. We only have to wait another...

    I don't have anything significant to add here, but I'm thrilled about the quarantine. Admins should have ripped the banned-aid off and shut down T_D for good though. We only have to wait another three years for that to happen.

    12 votes
  7. [2]
    suspended
    Link
    Daily Beast just published an article about this minutes ago: https://www.thedailybeast.com/reddit-quarantines-pro-trump-subreddit-the_donald-over-anti-police-threats/
    11 votes
  8. eladnarra
    Link
    The sub's reaction is pretty predicable. People are claiming that there weren't any comments encouraging violence, or if there were they must have been written by liberals to make the sub look...

    The sub's reaction is pretty predicable. People are claiming that there weren't any comments encouraging violence, or if there were they must have been written by liberals to make the sub look bad. One person suggested that the timing was due to the first Dem debate being held tonight.

    11 votes
  9. [6]
    Shahriar
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    I thought quarantined subreddits have their subscriber count hidden, how come T_D does not have theirs hidden?

    I thought quarantined subreddits have their subscriber count hidden, how come T_D does not have theirs hidden?

    3 votes
    1. [5]
      Deimos
      Link Parent
      I thought so too, that's interesting. I wonder if they've modified quarantine to be able to apply the different effects (no subscriber numbers, no stylesheet, etc.) individually.

      I thought so too, that's interesting. I wonder if they've modified quarantine to be able to apply the different effects (no subscriber numbers, no stylesheet, etc.) individually.

      5 votes
      1. [4]
        dubteedub
        Link Parent
        There have been a few times that they have displayed the subscriber counts still. /r/waterniggas is one of them, though there may be one or two more. On the stylesheet side, just this week they...

        There have been a few times that they have displayed the subscriber counts still. /r/waterniggas is one of them, though there may be one or two more.

        On the stylesheet side, just this week they removed the ability to edit the CSS / stylesheet on /r/smuggies and /r/honkler after they used it to display a large yellow Jewish star with the word quarantined on it.

        It is something the admins just started doing very recently and on a seemingly case by case instance.

        7 votes
        1. [3]
          bee
          Link Parent
          Was there a public reason given why that water subreddit was quarantined? I haven't really been following it but I thought it was merely just... praising water? Or is it something more malicious?

          Was there a public reason given why that water subreddit was quarantined? I haven't really been following it but I thought it was merely just... praising water? Or is it something more malicious?

          3 votes
          1. [2]
            dubteedub
            Link Parent
            It is because the name includes the n word and is offensive. The admins said they were seeing if there was some way to fully move the sub over to a new name, which has not happened before.

            It is because the name includes the n word and is offensive. The admins said they were seeing if there was some way to fully move the sub over to a new name, which has not happened before.

            4 votes
            1. bee
              Link Parent
              Thank you for clarifying. The name is clearly not in the best taste, especially for a website which is overwhelmingly used by white Americans.

              Thank you for clarifying. The name is clearly not in the best taste, especially for a website which is overwhelmingly used by white Americans.

              3 votes
  10. [5]
    evrae
    Link
    they did this with /r/watchpeopledie and banned it shorty after. quarantine seems to be a setup before the outright ban. i'lll miss T_D when it's gone, it was a fun place to support DJT in 2016.

    they did this with /r/watchpeopledie and banned it shorty after. quarantine seems to be a setup before the outright ban.

    i'lll miss T_D when it's gone, it was a fun place to support DJT in 2016.

    1 vote
    1. ubergeek
      Link Parent
      It's a cesspool of the internet. Nothing of value would be lost if t_d got flushed.

      It's a cesspool of the internet. Nothing of value would be lost if t_d got flushed.

      11 votes
    2. [3]
      dubteedub
      Link Parent
      Plenty of subs were quarantined for months before getting banned, and some have still not been banned. /r/cringeanarchy was quarantined in late September 2018 and was not banned until late April...

      Plenty of subs were quarantined for months before getting banned, and some have still not been banned.

      /r/cringeanarchy was quarantined in late September 2018 and was not banned until late April 2019.

      /r/watchpeopledie was quarantined at the same time as CA and was not banned until March 2019.

      /r/theredpill and /r/fullcommunism were quarantined at the same time and are still alive and active on Reddit.

      8 votes
      1. [2]
        evrae
        Link Parent
        interesting, I wonder how many were able to get un-quarantined.

        interesting, I wonder how many were able to get un-quarantined.

        2 votes
        1. dubteedub
          Link Parent
          As far as I am aware, no sub has been unquarantined that did not have a complete changeover in moderators from something like being reddit requested.

          As far as I am aware, no sub has been unquarantined that did not have a complete changeover in moderators from something like being reddit requested.

          8 votes
  11. [18]
    The_Fad
    Link
    Hold on. Just...just hold on a second. There are SIX HUNDRED people threatening to enact violence upon the state capitol in Oregon, and there's YET TO BE A POLICE RESPONSE TO THEM? What the fuck...

    Hold on.

    Just...just hold on a second.

    There are SIX HUNDRED people threatening to enact violence upon the state capitol in Oregon, and there's YET TO BE A POLICE RESPONSE TO THEM?

    What the fuck is going on in Oregon, guys?

    23 votes
    1. [17]
      Silbern
      Link Parent
      As I understand it, the state government was about to pass a landmark bill addressing emissions for climate change, and the Republicans couldn't stop it, so they left the capitol to prevent the...

      As I understand it, the state government was about to pass a landmark bill addressing emissions for climate change, and the Republicans couldn't stop it, so they left the capitol to prevent the government from having a quorum (a minimum number of members required for any votes to have effect). The Democrats proceeded to vote to order the Sargent of Arms to bring the Republicans back (which is a right specifically guaranteed in the Oregon Constitution), and as a result, the Republicans fled to Idaho (outside Oregon's jurisdiction). Far right "militias" volenteered to be the Republicans' armed security and have threatened to shoot anyone who tries to come get them, and back home, they discussed an armed assault on the Oregon state capitol. Therefore, the Democrats shut the building down and suspended the legislature. Anyone's guess what happens from here.

      31 votes
      1. [9]
        smoontjes
        Link Parent
        This is like reading the script to a bad dystopian tv series. This would be absolutely impossible here in Denmark. WTF!?

        This is like reading the script to a bad dystopian tv series. This would be absolutely impossible here in Denmark. WTF!?

        10 votes
        1. [4]
          Silbern
          Link Parent
          We thought it would be impossible here too, until it happened. Telling yah man, this authoritarian streak going throughout the world scares the shit out of me. I can't imagine what would have to...

          We thought it would be impossible here too, until it happened. Telling yah man, this authoritarian streak going throughout the world scares the shit out of me. I can't imagine what would have to go through the minds of the people who do this.

          My one consolation is that it's seriously hardening a generation of young people in America such as myself against them. We may have to wait 10, 15 years, but eventually these fucks won't have a viable base anymore. I just hope the country survives until then, we've been through some pretty bad shit before though.

          21 votes
          1. ubergeek
            Link Parent
            Yeah, the past 4 years have shown us that a lot of the US government is glued together with "Good intentions". Some individual states are taking up the mantle, to correct this, codify some of the...

            Yeah, the past 4 years have shown us that a lot of the US government is glued together with "Good intentions".

            Some individual states are taking up the mantle, to correct this, codify some of the "good intentions" into law (ie, releasing tax returns to be on the ballot, criminalizing things like taking foreign money to interfere in elections, codification of bodily autonomy of women, etc etc).

            10 votes
          2. [2]
            sqew
            Link Parent
            Same here. I still can't believe that we're doing this thing again; "we" as a species tried it 70-80 years ago, and we all know how that turned out. I'm truly terrified, especially because...

            Telling yah man, this authoritarian streak going throughout the world scares the shit out of me.

            Same here. I still can't believe that we're doing this thing again; "we" as a species tried it 70-80 years ago, and we all know how that turned out. I'm truly terrified, especially because humanity has a lot of other pressing problems to get solved.

            5 votes
            1. ubergeek
              Link Parent
              All the people that paid in blood for that are dead, though. The lesson has been forgotten, essentially.

              "we" as a species tried it 70-80 years ago, and we all know how that turned out

              All the people that paid in blood for that are dead, though. The lesson has been forgotten, essentially.

              10 votes
        2. [3]
          moonbathers
          Link Parent
          People might bring up Wisconsin's Democrats doing something similar in 2011, so I'm gonna get ahead of that and explain why the two situations are different. In Wisconsin's case, the Democrats...

          People might bring up Wisconsin's Democrats doing something similar in 2011, so I'm gonna get ahead of that and explain why the two situations are different. In Wisconsin's case, the Democrats fled across the Illinois border to prevent a quorum from passing a law to take away teachers' collective bargaining rights. The border is about an hour drive from Wisconsin's capital and they stayed in a hotel there. They didn't threaten violence, nor did any left-wing militias (does such a thing exist?). In addition, there were protests at the state capitol that went on for three or four weeks in the Democrats' support, in which a hundred thousand people showed up.

          TL;DR Wisconsin's Democrats didn't threaten violence and had massive public support and that's why the situation in Oregon isn't comparable.

          10 votes
          1. [2]
            The_Fad
            Link Parent
            Antifa is the closest you get on the left.

            does such a thing exist

            Antifa is the closest you get on the left.

            2 votes
            1. sxo
              Link Parent
              Not really. Antifa isn't some specific group, it's just a banner to unite under against the fash. There's the Socialist RA though.

              Not really. Antifa isn't some specific group, it's just a banner to unite under against the fash. There's the Socialist RA though.

        3. unknown user
          Link Parent
          Denmark? We're not surprised at much here in Turkey anymore (thanks Erdogan!?), but this would've made me drop my jaw if I'm honest.

          Denmark? We're not surprised at much here in Turkey anymore (thanks Erdogan!?), but this would've made me drop my jaw if I'm honest.

          5 votes
      2. [5]
        Cosmos
        Link Parent
        So are they not having any sessions whatsoever since the entire legislature is shut down? How can this possibly be worth it?

        So are they not having any sessions whatsoever since the entire legislature is shut down? How can this possibly be worth it?

        2 votes
        1. [4]
          The_Fad
          Link Parent
          It's not. I guarantee you this is being propped up and egged on by foreign intelligence in some capacity. Not saying it started there, just saying they're actively supporting it.

          It's not. I guarantee you this is being propped up and egged on by foreign intelligence in some capacity. Not saying it started there, just saying they're actively supporting it.

          1 vote
          1. [3]
            Cosmos
            Link Parent
            Even if it is the result of foreign influence, these people are still nuts for going along with it. How can anyone justify this ridiculously destructive reaction to one bill they don't like? This...

            Even if it is the result of foreign influence, these people are still nuts for going along with it.

            How can anyone justify this ridiculously destructive reaction to one bill they don't like? This is one of the most extreme cases of cutting off your nose to spite your face I have ever seen.

            1 vote
            1. [2]
              Amarok
              Link Parent
              It seems pretty clear we need some form of 'dereliction of duty' clause for rogue representatives like this. Give them a set (and short) time window in which to appear, and if they don't appear,...

              It seems pretty clear we need some form of 'dereliction of duty' clause for rogue representatives like this. Give them a set (and short) time window in which to appear, and if they don't appear, they are stripped of office completely, irrevocably, and automatically. I'd even go into dishonorable discharge territory for this. Then we don't need to worry about them anymore and can concentrate on replacing them with competent people.

              1 vote
              1. Cosmos
                Link Parent
                I feel like we don't have laws like that is because it was assumed anyone this insane would never be able to win another election.

                I feel like we don't have laws like that is because it was assumed anyone this insane would never be able to win another election.

                1 vote
  12. nothis
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    Oh, this is huge, isn't it? Long overdue, too.

    Oh, this is huge, isn't it? Long overdue, too.

    8 votes
  13. [3]
    Spodacus
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    Thank God. I swear the conspiracy theories and antisemitism on that place made it look like 4chan.

    Thank God. I swear the conspiracy theories and antisemitism on that place made it look like 4chan.

    3 votes
    1. [2]
      Cosmos
      Link Parent
      Sadly, this will only make that problem a thousand times worse.

      Sadly, this will only make that problem a thousand times worse.

      1. Loire
        Link Parent
        Briefly, but as we have seen with other quarantines, the quarantined subreddit's activity will collapse, and eventually die off. The real question is if reddit admins will have the balls to...

        Briefly, but as we have seen with other quarantines, the quarantined subreddit's activity will collapse, and eventually die off.

        The real question is if reddit admins will have the balls to maintain the quarantine or if they will remove it in a weeks time citing "improvements".

        7 votes
  14. [4]
    andre
    Link
    Man, I totally forgot T_D was even a thing. I blocked it the second its bullshit started appearing on the front page 3 years ago and have never looked back.

    Man, I totally forgot T_D was even a thing. I blocked it the second its bullshit started appearing on the front page 3 years ago and have never looked back.

    2 votes
    1. [3]
      Cosmos
      Link Parent
      It was worse then that. I kept having it pop up as the top search result when searching even the most irrelevent terms. No clue what the fuck is wrong with reddit's search algorithm if it keeps...

      It was worse then that. I kept having it pop up as the top search result when searching even the most irrelevent terms. No clue what the fuck is wrong with reddit's search algorithm if it keeps putting the least informative sub on the entire site at the top of every result.

      5 votes
      1. [2]
        SunSpotter
        Link Parent
        I remember for a while people were convinced they had found a way to rig the search engine. This was further enforced by a lot of changes to the search engine after people started complaining. If...

        I remember for a while people were convinced they had found a way to rig the search engine. This was further enforced by a lot of changes to the search engine after people started complaining.

        If they did, I don't know exactly how it would have happened, but I would guess high participation, stuffing posts with key words, and posting certain times of day would get you pretty close.

        1. Cosmos
          Link Parent
          I think it's simpler than that. Just like with everything else, the admins were probably just too lazy to put much work into the search engine. so they just used a stupid algorithm that put high...

          I think it's simpler than that.

          Just like with everything else, the admins were probably just too lazy to put much work into the search engine. so they just used a stupid algorithm that put high traffic subs at the top of the results no matter what. That's an extension of the bullshit "let the upvotes decide" philosophy the admins love. TD is an incredibly high traffic sub on its own. They don't need to do any manipulation to skew the results.

          1 vote