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Tildes Book Club - January 2026 - Fire on the Mountain by Terry Bisson

This is the first Tildes Book Club Discussion for 2026 and the twentyfirst overall. We are discussing Fire on the Mountain by Bissen. At the end of February we will discuss The Truth by Terry Pratchett.

This is the first time that I as your coordinator have not finished the book myself. It was not my cup of tea and I might or might not add my impressions to the discussion.

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    1. [3]
      DefinitelyNotAFae
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      Me forgetting book club existed entirely. This year has already lasted 18 months.

      Me forgetting book club existed entirely. This year has already lasted 18 months.

      6 votes
      1. [2]
        boxer_dogs_dance
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        Join us next month for the Truth by Pratchett.

        Join us next month for the Truth by Pratchett.

        2 votes
        1. DefinitelyNotAFae
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          I hope to, directing my focus is hard. I have had 3 library books I want to read and was stuck on RR reading about bees instead. It's just rough in the old head

          I hope to, directing my focus is hard. I have had 3 library books I want to read and was stuck on RR reading about bees instead. It's just rough in the old head

          4 votes
  1. [4]
    kfwyre
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    It feels bad (almost shameful) to admit this, but this book slid almost completely off my brain. I read it. The whole thing. But I don’t feel like I ever fully grasped it. It was more like sand...

    It feels bad (almost shameful) to admit this, but this book slid almost completely off my brain.

    I read it. The whole thing. But I don’t feel like I ever fully grasped it. It was more like sand spilling through my fingers than something I could hold on to.

    I think it’s equal parts where my brain is at right now (you know, because of ::waves arms at a nondescript everything::) and also how the book was written.

    This is NOT a criticism of the writing. In fact, one of the things that impressed me was that the book felt very authentic (admittedly less so in the “present” but very much so in the historical parts). Additionally, I think it’s a book that carries most of its weight not in its words but in their implications. Some books tell; some books show; and some books give you details and expect you to put together the pieces to find the bigger meaning. This is one of the latter ones. I don’t think I spent enough time earnestly considering it or mulling it over. Instead, I let its words pass over me and don’t have much to show for that.

    One thing I kept forgetting was that the (great) great grandfather was writing about when he was twelve years old. I think I repeatedly forgot this because he didn’t sound like a twelve-year-old (because he’s writing as an older man) and because so many of the things he did felt more grown up than twelve. It also wasn’t entirely clear how much time had or hadn’t passed between sections, so sometimes I ended up thinking he was older than he was until I was reminded again of his age.

    This hit me really hard in the scene where they hang Cricket. I thought he was older by then, and that made sense to me because he had joined the resistance.

    But then there was this sentence:

    I slipped forward through the crowd, making myself small, as kids can still do at twelve, until I was at the front, by the scaffold.

    Reading that was like a smack in the face. Twelve and he’s at a hanging (of his brother nonetheless).

    His youth gets further reinforced in the scene by what comes after it, which is utterly horrific. Some adults gleefully pick him up and push him closer to Cricket, forcing them to look at one another. That part of the book was genuinely heart-wrenching. It hit the teacher part of my soul pretty hard — the part that cares deeply for kids and wants no harm to come to them. I’m tearing up right now as I write this, because just thinking about the cruelty and the suffering of that moment hurts.

    Speaking of hard-hitting, the book would occasionally have these “whallop” sentences. A lot of the book was told in a very dry or even-handed way, but occasionally a sentence would just jump right out of the page. I wish I had highlighted them so I could give better examples, but I can only remember one (emphasis mine):

    “The Mericans wipe out the buffalo, string the country together with railroads and barbwire; annihilate, not just defeat, the Sioux, the Crow, the Cheyenne, the Apache, one after the other. Genocide is celebrated by adding stars to the flag.

    Not all of them were as punchy as this. Sometimes they were little details with huge implications, or just thoughtful little additions that had significant depth if you stopped to think about them.

    I also really liked every time they discussed John Brown’s Body, which was the in-universe alternate history that is our actual IRL history. It was interesting to frame our own timeline as a “what if?” and I really liked how the author pulled apart some of the story (i.e. our own society) via characters’ comments on it:

    For a white supremacist fantasy the book has a certain grim honesty. It ends in this hideous...”

    “Please,” Yasmin said. “I think I’ll pass. John Brown the traitor, huh?”

    “Worse; a madman. A murderous fanatic. Lincoln, on the other hand, is a hero. The great emancipator.”

    “Who does he emancipate?”

    “Me,” Grissom laughed. “He emancipates the whites from having to give up any of the land they stole. From having to join the human race.”

    I thought the sci-fi aspect of the book was pretty thin and unsatisfying, but I think the juxtaposition was made to emphasize the potential for progress in a short period of time. The book basically chronicles a century gap between dystopic inhuman slavery and utopian (fully automated luxury?) space communism. These drastically different settings are experienced within three generations of the same family.

    As such, for as dark as the book is, it also has an indelible hope to it. In fact, tonally, it’s hard to pin down. It dares to dream of a different, better path than the one we went down, but in doing so it casts are current situation as a continuation of a dystopia. Is it optimistic for imagining a bright path? Or is it pessimistic for noting that we’re on a dark one? I’m not sure. Maybe it’s both.

    I mentioned above that the book had a very authentic feel to it with regards to the historical parts, so it was a bit of a plot twist to me when I looked up the author after finishing and found out that he’s white. The whole book I thought I was reading a work from a black author, and it’s a testament to Bisson that he was able to write a book that very directly communicates the lived experiences of racism and slavery in a way that felt so perceptive and insightful.

    Of course, take this with a grain of salt because, as a white guy I’m not the most qualified person to make this judgment in the first place. Speaking only from my own perspective: I think Bisson did a remarkable job of telling a story of black liberation in an earnest and skillful way.

    As much as I liked a lot of the different pieces of the book, I do wish I liked the whole of it more. I will admit that I found it a chore to read in places. Some of its “authenticity” makes for turgid prose, and Bisson seems to REALLY love looooooong paragraphs that I found it all too easy to get lost in (not in the good way).

    I don’t think it’s a bad book by any means. In fact, I think this book would be great for a literature class, because it almost demands a slower, more reflective reading where you can dive in deep, pull it apart, and find the meaning buried in its soil. There’s a richness and depth under the surface of the novel that I didn’t get to fully appreciate because I just skimmed along the top, reading the book to finish it and unable to really commit my full brain to it, probably because of the aforementioned everything.

    6 votes
    1. [2]
      kfwyre
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      I realized I had one more thought that I forgot to include, and I didn't want to bury it in an edit. This book fits in nearly perfectly with the stories in A People's Future of the United States....

      I realized I had one more thought that I forgot to include, and I didn't want to bury it in an edit.

      This book fits in nearly perfectly with the stories in A People's Future of the United States.

      It was, of course, considerably longer given that it's a full novel rather than a short story, but in terms of concept and delivery, it's an almost perfect companion to that collection.

      5 votes
      1. boxer_dogs_dance
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        It makes sense that I also disliked most of the stories in A People's Future. I had an easier time with the earlier time line. The depiction of slavery and of how it feels to be a civilian when a...

        It makes sense that I also disliked most of the stories in A People's Future.

        I had an easier time with the earlier time line. The depiction of slavery and of how it feels to be a civilian when a war intrudes on your town was reasonably well done. But I quit before the halfway point. I got similar educational content about slavery from Roots in my teens and Kindred and other books later in life. The 'utopia' in the 'modern' timeline didn't resonate with me at all.

        3 votes
    2. Wes
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      That was a very punchy quote. The kind that hits you right in the face. Thanks for sharing it. It does feel like colonialism is an ongoing theme in our book picks, and I'm glad of it. All these...

      That was a very punchy quote. The kind that hits you right in the face. Thanks for sharing it.

      It does feel like colonialism is an ongoing theme in our book picks, and I'm glad of it. All these different perspectives grant an understanding far beyond what I was capable of imagining on my own. Plus a depiction of a human experience - whether fictional or not - really helps humanize the historical understanding I typically file these things under.

      4 votes
  2. Wes
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    I feel guilty for skipping this one as I did vote for it. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to find it at my library or any other sources at an affordable cost. Normally I skip the discussion threads...

    I feel guilty for skipping this one as I did vote for it. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to find it at my library or any other sources at an affordable cost. Normally I skip the discussion threads if I haven't read a book for fear of spoilers, but I think I'll follow along just to see what others thought of this one. The premise did intrigue me.

    3 votes
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    boxer_dogs_dance
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    What did you think about the timeline in the 1850s?

    What did you think about the timeline in the 1850s?

    2 votes
    1. cfabbro
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      I found the 1850s timeline to be the most compelling, by far. It very much reminded me of Kindred, which was a similarly difficult read in terms of how dark the subject matter got, but I also got...

      I found the 1850s timeline to be the most compelling, by far. It very much reminded me of Kindred, which was a similarly difficult read in terms of how dark the subject matter got, but I also got incredibly invested/engrossed in.

      3 votes
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    boxer_dogs_dance
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    What did you think about the alternative history timeline in the 1950s?

    What did you think about the alternative history timeline in the 1950s?

    2 votes
    1. [3]
      cfabbro
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      This section of the book was incredibly disappointing for me. The whole reason I voted for this book in the first place was because I was excited to read about a more hopeful/optimistic...

      This section of the book was incredibly disappointing for me. The whole reason I voted for this book in the first place was because I was excited to read about a more hopeful/optimistic alternative American history timeline than what we saw in People's Future, and how those events might impact the present/future in interesting ways. I was hoping for way more world-building from this section, but instead all I got was a story about two characters I didn't really care about going on a road trip to drop off a book at a museum, and way too much time spent focused on a pair of futuristic space shoes. :(

      3 votes
      1. [2]
        boxer_dogs_dance
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        Agreed. If all we had was the later timeline, I have trouble understanding how this was an award winning writer.

        Agreed. If all we had was the later timeline, I have trouble understanding how this was an award winning writer.

        2 votes
        1. cfabbro
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          Ditto... although alternatively, if all we had was a book focused entirely on the 1850s timeline I would have been blown away by it. I was surprised by how engrossing that section of the book was,...

          Ditto... although alternatively, if all we had was a book focused entirely on the 1850s timeline I would have been blown away by it. I was surprised by how engrossing that section of the book was, despite how difficult / dark it was. I genuinely don't understand how Bisson managed to write such a compelling story for that section, and such a remarkably bland section in the next. It almost felt like two totally different authors, that's how drastic the difference between them was. :/

          3 votes
    2. [4]
      AgentRedfield
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      I just read “Born in the GDR” about people who were born in East Germany after the Berlin Wall and border in general were closed. It was very interesting reading how people in the GDR felt about...

      I just read “Born in the GDR” about people who were born in East Germany after the Berlin Wall and border in general were closed. It was very interesting reading how people in the GDR felt about reunification and that their country and culture was just disappeared from history.

      Reading the alternate history of Fire on Mountain just after that made me sympathetic to East Germans as the way Terry Bission wrote about the in world alternate history of Lincoln and the John Brown raid failing (i.e. actual history, but told in a different light). That recasting of our history for the book within this book was very effective and reconsidering the narratives that makeup history and how much small moments impact the future.

      2 votes
      1. [3]
        boxer_dogs_dance
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        Based on this, you might enjoy the film Goodbye Lenin. I loved this movie. I didn't appreciate the reimagining of Lincoln but I'm glad you got so much out of this book.

        Based on this, you might enjoy the film Goodbye Lenin. I loved this movie.

        I didn't appreciate the reimagining of Lincoln but I'm glad you got so much out of this book.

        3 votes
        1. AgentRedfield
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          Whoa that looks like the perfect film version of this, I’ll check it out! Looks like my library has it. Also, I can’t say I agree with the books characterization of Lincoln, especially as it’s...

          Whoa that looks like the perfect film version of this, I’ll check it out! Looks like my library has it.

          Also, I can’t say I agree with the books characterization of Lincoln, especially as it’s such a short section, but it’s an interesting thought exercise to me.

          I’m now reading Raven Rock, about Cold War bunkers and other US military panicking and it’s interesting from declassified memos how similar presidents from JFK, to Carter, to Reagan were in nuclear planning, even though they all projected their actions externally very differently. JFK was quite surprised to find the US greatly out gunned the US (see the “bomber gap”), but it was top secret info because the US obtained that info from the classified U2 spy plane. Kind of a tangent, but the through line is how additional info or selective info greatly changes the context and historical “story” of a person.

          2 votes
        2. kfwyre
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          I loved that movie! Great recommendation.

          I loved that movie! Great recommendation.

          2 votes
  5. boxer_dogs_dance
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    What do you want to say/ how do you want to respond to the description of the experience of being a slave?

    What do you want to say/ how do you want to respond to the description of the experience of being a slave?

    2 votes
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    boxer_dogs_dance
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    What do you think about the format using letters/ diary entries to help tell the story?

    What do you think about the format using letters/ diary entries to help tell the story?

    2 votes
    1. tanglisha
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      This is something that usually annoys me, but for some reason it didn't here. Maybe because it was interwoven with first person perspective.

      This is something that usually annoys me, but for some reason it didn't here. Maybe because it was interwoven with first person perspective.

      3 votes
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      AgentRedfield
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      I really enjoyed the letter format since it felt accurate and reminded me of some genealogy research I’ve done. When the one younger white character’s letters suddenly stopped it was also shocking...

      I really enjoyed the letter format since it felt accurate and reminded me of some genealogy research I’ve done. When the one younger white character’s letters suddenly stopped it was also shocking it that he was just gone, which subverted my expectations of some dramatic death scene.

      3 votes
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        boxer_dogs_dance
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        If you want to read more books with this style, the technical term is epistolary novel.

        If you want to read more books with this style, the technical term is epistolary novel.

        2 votes
        1. AgentRedfield
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          Good to know, thank you. I usually read historical non-fiction, so this was a good diversion for January and I’ll have to add some more of these books to my reading list.

          Good to know, thank you. I usually read historical non-fiction, so this was a good diversion for January and I’ll have to add some more of these books to my reading list.

          2 votes
    3. cfabbro
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      One of the first "serious" novels I ever read was Bram Stoker's Dracula, which is comprised of letters written between various characters, so I actually have a fondness for the format. Fire on the...

      One of the first "serious" novels I ever read was Bram Stoker's Dracula, which is comprised of letters written between various characters, so I actually have a fondness for the format. Fire on the Mountain didn't do it nearly as well as Dracula does, but it still added a more intimate feeling to those sections of the story. And in retrospect, that is perhaps part of the reason why I enjoyed them a lot more than the 1950s part, and why I felt more connected with the characters in the past too.

      3 votes
  7. boxer_dogs_dance
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    What characters did you like/appreciate or relate to?

    What characters did you like/appreciate or relate to?

    2 votes
  8. boxer_dogs_dance
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    Were there characters that you disliked or didn't relate to?

    Were there characters that you disliked or didn't relate to?

    2 votes
  9. boxer_dogs_dance
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    What did you think of the ending?

    What did you think of the ending?

    2 votes
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    boxer_dogs_dance
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    What are your thoughts or reactions to the supposed utopian qualities of the later timeline?

    What are your thoughts or reactions to the supposed utopian qualities of the later timeline?

    2 votes
    1. cfabbro
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      IMO the supposedly utopian timeline was so vaguely explained that it was almost impossible to get a sense of if it was actually even utopian. Other than a bunch of nation names, very very brief...

      IMO the supposedly utopian timeline was so vaguely explained that it was almost impossible to get a sense of if it was actually even utopian. Other than a bunch of nation names, very very brief descriptions of how they formed, and the fact they were "socialist", we got almost nothing about how they actually functioned, what they were like to live in, how they interacted with each other, etc. And that lack of clearer world building is one of the main reasons I was so disappointed with that section of the book. :(

      3 votes
  11. boxer_dogs_dance
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    What do you think about this as science fiction from the 1980s? Was there anything interesting about the use of technology?

    What do you think about this as science fiction from the 1980s? Was there anything interesting about the use of technology?

    2 votes
  12. boxer_dogs_dance
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    What else do you want to talk about related to this book?

    What else do you want to talk about related to this book?

    2 votes