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Redditors of Tildes .. what is the thing you can live without?
Akin to this: https://tildes.net/~tech/1670/redditors_of_tildes_which_subreddits_are_you_missing_the_most_during_the_blackout
What can we leave behind?
What should we leave behind?
For me, the one BIG thing is the stupid puns.
Threads full and full and full of puns, one after the other.
Case in point:
https://tildes.net/~movies/16bf/chasing_horse_faces_sex_assault_charges
I can so live without that side of reddit.
edit: Yeah, that "thread" is two comments long, but I just got reddit flashbacks just seeing those.
Tildes is reallllly growing on me. Felt weird at first, but I am seeing more interesting links and comments, as well as spending more time reading and thinking, as opposed to just typing random bullshit out for the possible dopamine hit.
As a RIF user, I didn't know any of these were a thing for the longest time except the puns and text memes. I don't care for any of it, and I'm glad tildes doesn't have it.
RIF user here too. That's exactly where that list came from...Everything I found shocking when I had to actually login to the reddit website for the first time in years after using RIF exclusively (I even have thumbnails turned off, so Tildes is kinda perfect for me).
old.reddit.com doesn't have any of that either, FWIW (except maybe autoplay videos (edit: and thumbnails)). It's a lot closer to Tildes formatting (but still with a lot of extras). New Reddit is completely awful, though.
Right, I just happened to switch to RIF before going to old.reddit was even a thing. So to have a history of original reddit, then RIF, and then have to login to Reddit not even knowing what old.reddit really was was a massive shock, e.g:
Why is my screen filled with menus?
Where the fuck did the mod tools/menu go???
What the fuck are these user pics?
Why is like 50% of my screen wasted?
Why is everything in the middle?
Why are there weird menu column things on the left and right? And then more menus at the top? Wtf?
What is up with all these damned videos? Where are the articles and self posts?
...and so on.
This is my pet hate. It's like going from reading a newspaper to reading a learning-to-read book.
Technically there's a chat button near the notifications icon but it opens a mini-window with new.reddit.com-style graphics in order to actually work.
old.reddit.com does display the in-line images as well unfortunately, I think it is a subreddit setting (and possibly RES can override it, I can't confirm but would expect this to be a feature).
There isn't a lot of newreddit that has infected oldreddit but there are glimpses here and there. The tone of the site following its redesign unfortunately carried over though, can't avoid that and oldreddit or not you're still exposed to the new vision for Reddit which is basically 4chan.
Baconreader here... Same.
Tildes does feel like the old school forums of Internet days past.
I dig it.
I realized today why I felt weird at first using Tildes. Because typing out meaningless short responses has become the norm. I can do that without much effort and it feels expected (or at least acceptable). That's not what this site is about. Really trying to understand a situation and formulate a coherent relevant response uses a part of my brain that has atrophied. Which contributes to the boredom and doom scrolling. I'm not engaging in any meaningful way so I'm not engaged. It took me far longer than necessary to write this comment but I'm doing it because I'm realizing I need the kind of engagement found here.
I replied to someone on Imgur recently, and they said "thanks for the novel." On Imgur. Where the maximum comment size is 500 characters. Hoo boy. That's how bad the "sound byte" culture has gotten on the internet. I like discussions, I like long well-thought responses. I'm actually annoyed at myself that that this one is so short.
Yeah, it's a very old reddit feel. I had forgotten the feeling, and it's taken me a bit of time to adjust to actually conversing via text. But I fucking missed it.
We used to actually do meetups on reddit, and I would go. That stopped ages ago because of how many maladjusted weirdos started popping up, and you just didn't want them to know of your physical existence.
Tildes almost has that meetup potential vibe that old old original reddit had.
Reddit is the only instance in my life where I agreed to go meet up with a bunch of strangers at a bar, and it was actually kinda fun! Mind you, this was easily a decade ago. Like you said, it was a very different community back then. No way in hell would I have done it in recent history.
Still adjusting to putting more thought into my responses as well. Funny how you can walk into a new situation, take five minutes to read the room and go "huh... well, I've turned into a bit of a jackass, how do I actually express myself?"
One thing that I've really enjoyed about the rexodus is the sheer volume of memories I've re-unlocked from reading comments like this.
I distinctly remember one of the first things you'd see on visiting a new subreddit was a pinned post of a group photo titled something like "Great to meet you all at the 23rd July /r/Whatever meetup". It does make me wonder how many other late 00s/early 10s internet stuff that has quietly disappeared and I've just forgot about.
Same...Also actually finding new sites that aren't reddit.
I hadn't realized how much happier I am on this site until I opened my user page on reddit just now. 18 out of my 25 latest comments have been totally meaningless jokes, arguments, or insults. 5 of my more substantive comments were about the current situation at reddit, and the last two were actual meaningful discussion about a TV show.
I fear I'm overcompensating by making my comments here longer than they need to be, but at least I'm not just screaming pointless thoughts into the void. My last ever comment on reddit may very well be "I always thought [pumpjacks] looked like packs of dinosaurs when I was a kid," and if that doesn't sum up the kind of comments I make on reddit, I don't know what does.
I think you hit the nail on the head with doom scrolling and boredom. Most forms of content don't promote long-form engagement with other people, you're often stuck in your bubble of consuming whatever the algorithm throws your way – leaving you in a state where it feels that it's irrelevant to contribute because it will be drowned in the noise. Funnily enough TikTok is one of the platforms where I've found that the algorithm connects me with other like-minded people, where I see positive engagement with most comments. For Reddit, it strongly depended on the subreddit community. On Tildes, almost every post I've read has had thoughtful conversations which I very much enjoy reading, but I too must practice to contribute...
Avatars are one thing that I wouldn't mind seeing, to be honest, though the current layout doesn't lend itself well to it and changing it for the sake of accommodating a single feature that doesn't add to the functionality of the website would be pointless.
I really really don't want avatars. I understand wanting a degree of personalization, but if it's custom chosen avatars then we just end up looking like every other forum and there's so many inappropriate ones that I just don't care to see. And if it's customizing an avatar from preset options such as reddit snoos I'm much less opposed to that, but then they'd have to customize and design everything themselves and that seems like it would be a lot of work. How much benefit that would be is a question for the community though, but I myself don't see much value in it for me.
One big thing though that I do want from my reddit experience actually comes from RES, and that would be tracking the amount of votes you've given to a specific person. I'm pretty bad when it comes to remembering usernames that I've interacted with before, and it would be nice to keep record of the people that I'm interacting with a lot.
Customizable tildes would maybe ok. As in you can change the background color, and the colors of each pixel of your tilde. Anything more than that I would find distracting.
I would love a purple Tildes. Love Dark is a good start, but I'd love the ability to mix and match... say, Love Dark for the background, Solarized Light for the actual interaction areas.
Ironically, this is more or less what avatars were for on old style forums. After a while you'd recognize the regulars by their avatar, instead of by their name.
That was more for PHBB style flat forums, though. Not nested bulletin board/usenet style discussions. I don't remember seeing avatars on a site with this kind of thread structure before modern social media, with Facebook, Twitter, and new Reddit all having a variation of it.
I didn't realize how much I'd miss this until I didn't have it.
What about text based signatures? I suppose you could just... Already do that, but I think if it was a sitewide feature it wouldn't be as jarring or strange. Ideally limited to one sentence or less to force someone to use their words carefully.
This randomly popped into my mind without much thought, and there are plenty of issues with it I can already imagine, but the concept seems almost cute.
I think I would find signatures very jarring in the context of tildes, even if they were just text-based ones. I am assuming here that the signature would be a text added to the end of each of a user's comments.
If the goal is text-based discussion, what purpose does a signature serve? Is there a specific piece of information which would be beneficial if it was added to each of a user's posts? If it is not beneficial, how does one ensure that having a signature on potentially every post by every user does not break the flow when reading?
I could see having 10 or so characters to the right of the username. Could be used for pronouns and that sort of thing. On mobile there's enough space if "1 day, 2 hours ago" becomes 1d 2h, or just a timestamp in the browser time zone.
I never do... but that's cause I tend to be bad and just read the person's words and tend to forget to even look at the username. Add in I'm bad at remembering names, and it means I have a bad habit of not remembering people on a forum.
I am exactly the same. I absolutely cannot remember "trivia" like that. I can't even remember people's names in real life unless I've known them for a very long time.
Instead of avatars (I would not remember those, either), I would love a way to make personal tags for people: "the person who has pet geese", "the person who made this site", etc. That would be a massive, massive improvement for me and help me feel more engaged with the community.
As it is, it just feels like everyone is posting anonymously because I can't remember who anyone is.
You may be interested in Tildes ReExtended, a community made browser addon that supports labeling users among other features.
Personally, I tend to avoid user-labeling as it tends to become a way to keep tabs on users that have frustrated or annoyed me in the past, and seeing the labels on every future post of theirs primes me for antagonistic dialog and doesn't leave a lot of room to forgive and move on.
That said, as in your example, there's plenty of more wholesome uses, and I certainly don't hold it against anyone.
omg bless you I wanted this to exist but couldn't find anything
Yay, thank you, I am using it now!
Yep, usertags would be a great feature for Tildes and I use them in reddit (via RES) to remember worthwhile accounts.
Last time we got to talking avatars I got as far as coats and hats. We were going to have Tildes users look like caterpillars or snakes, the type could tip the proper gender pronoun at a glance. Then you toss on a 'coat' which is semi-official for tipping status or expertise, and a 'hat' which other users assign to you based on how you are behaving. I'm quite sure that's a mile from an optimal idea set but it gets the potential of an avatar across. I do wonder if we could do them with ascii only, so that we're still text only, and still dialup friendly.
When you put a pretty colored icon on the page, all eyes snap to it instantly. That's a terrible, terrible power and we only ever get to use it once. Whatever we use it on had better be damn important, from a social software engineering perspective. Reputation is one of the things that might be that important. Maybe it's avatars, maybe it's something else, but that's going to be one very important design choice that's still waiting for us.
SVG should be dialup friendly and easily scalable across form factor and screen sizes.
On almost any other forum I would agree with you, however the one thing giving me pause is the text driven nature of Tildes. I think a more Tildesian approach might be to allow a curated selection of fonts for users to display their username with.
Ah nooo. If it's opt in ok, but I need to be able to disable it completely on my end as soon as the first user picks comic sans as their flair :/
“Curated selection” are key words here. If Deimos allowed comic sans as an option, I would lose all faith in his decision making abilities.
Haha, I knew you were gonna get me on "curated collection". Still, it would drive me nuts to see random fonts on usernames, and I would want to be able to disable it for my own viewing sanity.
That's not a bad idea, actually, or even a bad jumping off point to fiddle with reputation (also known as recognition). It's got the zero-bandwidth thing going for it there unlike avatars, and it's still all text. We'd have to add a curated color selection too. Introduce it as a vanity usernames 'paid' option on April 1st and see what the site looks like on the 2nd when we turn it off, then reflect on it and decide it was a terrible idea. :P
I would feel as strongly negative about user selected colors as @Plik does for fonts. Your ascii coats and hats comment got me thinking of the enormous amount of Unicode characters that could be used.
Colors would drive me nuts too. In my original post I meant literally a customizable 8x8 pixel art Tilde just before a username would be the most I could handle.
Hm, if it's about code functionality/difficulty of implementation, then yeah it's not that important.
But regarding some of the responses below, I think if it were easy to implement then why not. One of my earliest internet forum experiences was playing Werewolf online, with games that lasted like weeks. I think the website is still around, actually, I should check it out because it was a lot of fun.
And one of the first things that happened when you began a game in that forum, was everyone asking you to pick an avatar if you hadn't already. Purely for the sake of easier recognising of users, which was very important when the point of the forum was to figure out who the werewolves were based on their posts.
I guess what I'm saying is I'm neither super for it nor super against it, since the point of this site isn't to figure out who the killer is. But I also get the arguments to have avatars, because they're easy ways of connecting names to.... avatars, lol.
The bigger the subreddit, the shittier it is. So many nice little subreddits turned crappy when they were 'found' like /r/daddit was getting there. my local city one... people invade from facebook and post memes and when it feels less like a neighborhood, and more like a crowded concert, people through nice social norms out the window.
That just comes down to reddit's system though. Things more easily consumed rise to the top above things that require more effort, even if they have more substance. So the lowest common denominator rises up no matter what. I'm hoping that Tildes is actually the answer to that. With community moderation and weeding out low effort comments and jokes to begin with it makes it easier to keep away from that denominator and keep up the community feel.
That being said we'll either need to break out the groups individually so that not everything shows up together as we grow because even with quality not everything will appeal to everyone and we'll need a way to customize it down, or we'll have to cap out users eventually and only allow so many active users at a time with invitation rounds going out when active users drop. And the latter feels like a terrible option because that just causes stagnation and in-groups.
For me a lot of these issues have to do with bots. Once there was a pattern, especially in the comments, that got easy upvotes every single thread would have a bots spamming to get karma. I think just keeping that out of tilde will make these more novel and funny.
On the other hand I think thumbnails can be useful when it comes to places like ~creative. Picture is a thousand words and all that.
It would definitely need to be a group by group basis and make sense for the context though.
The way it worked on reddit, yes. But One of the most interesting factors of reddit was the (increasingly less visible) "Other discussions" tab. It was interesting how drastically the tone of the same content can shift depending on who comments on it.
That isn't relevant right now, but if the site starts growing larger than a villiage, and Deimos does start creating more groups/sub groups, it may be an interesting feature to revisit.
Ah, I had forgotten about other discussions. That was actually interesting, you are right. I was thinking more of low effort posts under multiple titles where even the discussion in the comments is basically the same text memes repeated in order despite the posts coming from different subs.
Yeah, thumbnails could be group specific. If a group is about imagery of course it makes sense, otherwise I feel they should be restricted to avoid hurting the readability of the site.
Please no Chat and no NFTs
Heh... I liked the silly comments (and usually could find find serious comment threads too so they never bothered me).
But yeah, a lot of the other stuff you listed I either ignored entirely (chat, avatars, nfts) or found annoying (auto play video). I don't mind thumbnails but they aren't essential to me.
As for the same link, for me a lot of times it meant I saw something I otherwise would not have seen (at least judging by how much new stuff I saw with people complaining it was a repost). So... I can see how that is annoying but I actually found it useful.
The same link thing is more specific to browsing r/all or r/popular on reddit. Lately I have frequently seen the same public freakout type video posted with different submission titles to different subs, which means you see it maybe 3 times on one brief scroll through of r/popular.
It got to the point where without thumbnails I already new what meme/video was gonna pop up if I clicked the link in RIF.
Pretty much agree with almost the entire list. Thumbnails I don't mind, though if we want to avoid Fluff content it might be good to stay away from them.
The one exception I wouldn't mind seeing a Tildes take on would chat. Just not forced as on reddit as a DM replacement, and also not necessarily for each group.
I'd also don't want it to be on a platform like Discord because of how closed off it is. Not only does that go against the spirit of Tildes, but I think that also creates a situation where people behave differently than on the website.
People might suggest Matrix, but anything that is on a different platform will exclude some people simply because it is a different platform (if that makes sense?).
I'd be interesting to see a complementary Tildes chat for logged in users but with a public viewing option. Basically mirroring how Tildes itself also operates.
I also fully realized that in order to make that happen and integrate nicely in Tildes a lot of work needs to be done. Not only to implement it, but managing chat is also more work in some ways. This combined with some other objections people might have is likely why chat isn't going to be a thing on Tildes. Nevertheless, I still think it is interesting to think about how chat would look like in a Tildes context.
Maybe if it was some kind of unique chat with an end goal, but twitch style live commentary would be lame imo. I could maybe see public rate limited chat on wiki articles being useful for creating informative wiki pages, i.e. "How to build your first HD FPV drone".
Open ended community chats would just be tiresome, because you'd have to constantly be checking on it, and still might miss useful/interesting info.
Isn't that what live communication is? Compare it to an office or any other social event, you aren't there for all conversations. The way I'd see it is not to replace comments under articles or anything like that. But more for people to socialize with whoever happens to be online about things that don't necessarily fit as posts/comments.
And if the chat log is publicly viewable, you can always look back if you missed something. That actually wouldn't be that different from reading up on comments. Realistically speaking, you are also not reading every single comment under each single post. So it is equally possible you might miss something there.
Even if I agreed with you on the rest of this, you've completely neglected to think of how much work a live chat like that would be to moderate.
No? I could have been more clear, but said so in my first comment :)
Besides, I am not doing a complete feature pitch here. I am just stating that I think a chat centered around the ideas of Tildes from my perspective is something I'd be interested in. I also fully do recognize there are a lot of challenges involved.
Apart from your first and last point, everything else could be fixed or worked around by using a good third-party client or old.reddit on desktop. This is what reddit is to me; without them, it’s not a place I want to be…
Just.....crap filling up my All on Reddit.
Cat pictures (Wut should I call my soon to be family member reddit??), photos of a PS5 box in a car 'my wifes a keeper!', non-content in gaming subs (X game has sold 1MIL units! Who cares?!). I always say in my head - who cares about this nothingness and why is upvoted tens of thousands of times.
Having been off reddit for a few days, I've been reading actual discussions here instead and while it's still inherently pointless it curbs these little chips of annoyance in my life. Good to be here, it's so refreshing and nice :)
I'm so happy about no memes. Some are funny, but I love a gamed called Deep Rock Galactic and the main sub is full of repeated memes and what I call pop-up-memes that take it over for a week or two. Fucking unbearable.
Quick question. I've seen a lot of people grumbling about r/all.
Am I the only one who didn't use it and just followed subs on topics I was interested in?
I'm shocked so many people use r/all. It's always filled with things I either don't care about or know nothing about, basically things I don't care to see. Using r/frontpage, I know a good portion of posts will be things I do care for. It did take me some time to find most of the subs I'm subscribed to to be able to cultivate a nice frontpage for myself.
All was kind of a "Let's see what I'm not subbed to" exploration.
Found a few subs that were interesting enough to sub to.
But for the most part, it's was just mindless memes and posts that held no interest to me.
I liked r/all for news. Otherwise, I stayed in my curated area of reddit to only see the content I was interested in. I would never subscribe to a lot of those news sources because I don't want to see so much negativity on my feed all the time. I'm still trying to find a place to get that news that isn't reddit or twitter and to find a place to grumble about how much I hate working.
I only ever looked there out of severe boredom if I found all my regular subs had no new content.
I don't recall ever finding anything of interest though, I did begin to understand how so many subreddits seemingly get 'raided' through that page though, particularly on any sort of 'controversial' topic.
I used /r/all as a way to find things I wouldn't otherwise be exposed to. Especially drama and 'big moments' from smaller subs.
Of course, that also came with using RES to filter out like 300 subreddits that seemed to mostly dominate it.
/r/all is the front page of the internet, or at least that’s what Reddit claims. I still browsed it because it was the best representation of what the internet is thinking about on a given day. Highly upvoted threads about basketball, or vtubers, or federal politics, or overseas box office numbers… all things I’m not particularly interested in following. But it maintained this feeling that I was involved, up to date, informed.
Maybe that’s part of the addiction of doom scrolling. Or maybe it’s just the same itch as reading newspapers for previous generations.
It was always cool to see a brand new sub pop up and tell you its story. When the Ukraine invasion happened, seeing posts like “it’s been 10 days and Kyiv has not fallen” really gave a sense of the hope they’re feeling. When anger about No Man’s Sky held the front page for days, even though I had little interest in the game, it demonstrated that many other people did care.
Those sorts of discoveries were why /r/all was my default, even though I always found more relevant content in /r/home.
I never used it either. Strictly just interacted with Reddit directly via the very few subreddits I was subscribed to, and only through a third party app. Because that was the only way to keep the noise on minimum for me (I really don’t like noise). A lot of unintentional past tense I notice typing this out.
In contrast, I really quite like seeing the Tildes “all” and have found some interesting things to read because of it.
This is exactly my experience using Reddit. I had a specific sub list that I wanted to engage with and that was it. I often found new subs through cross-posting. I never needed r/all, because if it was interesting or noteworthy enough I would find out about it somehow regardless.
Some people just don't know how to use something properly and will complain about everything.
It's says it in the name /r/all, it will show everything..
I used r/all, but after rigorously filtering subs i disliked using the Boost app. I mainly just used it to know what my family & friends are talking about (i don't facebook & rarely watch broadcast tv). I probably had +100 subs blocked, so my r/all was pretty good.
I used it as ‘bonus fluff’ browsing really, or to catch big happenings in the world. My subbed subs were just games and pcgaming, anything else I would just visit my favourites (Apollo).
All would occasionally net me a new favourite if it got a viral post going ;)
I really only browse individual subreddits. It's mostly just a consolidated web forum to me and I just go through each subreddit like I would each forum. I'll visit the front page on mobile since RIF loads that by default. I never use /r/all.
I only ever used the frontpage, or perhaps an individual subreddit like /r/boardgames when I wanted to zoom ino that topic. Never ever /r/all or /r/popular, not even once.
Can't imagine what kind of terrible experience that would have been for me back when Reddit was a thing. :)
I used /r/all at times. But I also have the native reddit filter for /r/all maxed out with ignored subreddits and then RES also filters out 300+ more subreddits.
Basically whenever browsing /r/all when I encountered a meme sub, political sub, other low effort stupid shit sub I would hover of the subreddit name and click the RES filter button.
This has basically turned /r/all in something that I could browse from time to time. To actually see some interesting things, see what is going on in other subreddits that are okay but not to the degree I'd sub to them, etc.
It is ridiculous, of course, that you need to filter out hundreds of subreddits in order to get a semblance of sane content. But it did allow me to keep in touch with the bits of reddit that still had some semblance of quality I did not vist frequently.
I'd primarily browse individual subreddits of topics that I'm interested in.
But in a similar vein to what others have already mentioned, I would use r/all occasionally to pick up on any general tends / if a big news event had happened to get a quick overview of differing opinions from the different subs talking about it.
I used Apollo, so I could set my front page there, as well as on old reddit - but maybe having r/all as the front page is another idiosyncrasy the official app insists on? Would certainly fit their MO.
I don't think so, I used the official app alongside Narwhal.
I used /r/all because it had a lot more variety.
I found that I only subscribed to smaller/niche communities, but the amount of content was too small.
See, that's kinda what I liked about not browsing /r/all. It would limit the amount of time I spend on reddit. I see interesting stuff and can engage (or lurk) in those communities, but then once content runs out, leave reddit. It felt much healthier to me than endlessly scrolling and seeing the same stuff over and over. Open, realise there's nothing new, close. No getting sucked in for ages.
You should name your new furbaby Odin, Thor, Loki, Luna, or rock and stone just like everyone else, unless it's a black cat, then it must be named toothless, no exceptions. Engine puns only acceptable for kittens rescued from inside cars' engine compartments.
Was that every "What should I name my critter?" post? While I miss the photos, I do not miss the lack of creativity.
Toothless for black cats is just from the newer generation. Salem is also acceptable for millennials.
Pretty much you nailed it! Now I taste sick in my mouth.... :P
Remember how you could only filter 100 subs from r/all? I needed more like 1k. Those arbitrary limits usually rooted in reddit’s messy code base annoyed me.
I used Reddit Sync which had powerful filters of its own. I had (just went and checked) 330 subreddits filtered so they didn't appear in /r/all and that made it a great way to discover content outside my subs while also not seeing any garbage.
Yep, Apollo made up for it on mobile for me as well, but I've still always been a regular desktop user on old.reddit during work hours.
The biggest thing for me is how the vote button ultimately became a like button and all the implications of that. I am not sure if it is even possible to avoid that, while retaining having a large user-base along with the conventional ways of designing forums. These things has been talked about on more "pretentious" subreddits before. Some of the main issues close to the heart of vote based like reddit are these things based on those discussions:
There is a longer interesting discussion here, but I'll leave it there. I guess what I want is to (somehow) leave those points or phenomena, or whatever you want to call them.
Something I think about whenever I think about reddit (and one of the reasons I haven't used reddit in like 8 years now), is the way reddit's algorithm and point system ossify conversation in big subs before it even starts. Not only do you have the phenomena you identified where a 3-word pun is guaranteed to be the top-voted reply by virtue of how the system works, but the top 50 replies are going to be that, and since reddit (by default) sorts by "best", the vast majority of people aren't going to see any comment made more than a few minutes after a thread takes off. Compare this to old-school forums that went by post order. A lot of those forums still allowed you to up or downvote posts, or apply some other reaction, but threads progressed linearly rather than sorta immediately becoming a race for the top 20 comments as soon as they open.
I feel like the reality that it simply wasn't possible to post a top-level comment and be seen unless you're the first one in the thread was responsible for a lot of the nonsense where people would reply-guy the top couple comments with puns and try to start pun chains. It was the only way to be heard if they weren't there first.
Tildes deals with this on a couple levels, first by getting rid of karma so people aren't incentivized to farm karma by doing that kind of crap, but second by setting the default comment sort method to "relevance" instead of reddit's "best", which isn't quite the same as "most votes", but does almost the same thing. I don't think I'm crazy noticing that Tildes's default "relevance" sort seems to give a lot of deference to new top level comments, so that if the thread is still alive, they get to be part of the conversation.
I joined Reddit around ‘14 and that was near the tail end of reddiquette. Digg exodus was a few years prior and I’d bet that was the beginning of the end of the downvote button being a tool for ordering comments by relevance. Only a year or so later and most users didn’t know reddiquette or use it.
I appreciate the lack of a downvote button on tildes for that reason, as well as the design choices, because it reinforces the tildes philosophy well.
The number of times I write this on hacker news... I think HN has a similar vibe, though it's very narrowly focused on serious tech topics. Tildes might be my new place for everything else, let's see :)
Tweakers.net (Dutch) has an interesting system: you can vote on comments with five buttons and it shows you what each button means when you hover over it (screenshot, the text for
-1says in Dutch: "Undesired. Flamebaits, trolls, misplaced jokes, unnecessarily hurtful reactions and other things in violation of the ToS/CoC"):-1crap that doesn't belong on the site0(yes, you can vote for zero, and it has an effect!) irrelevant: not malicious but not contributing to the conversation+1relevant: nice, on-topic reaction+2informative and interesting comment+3spotlight: a comment that is of such high quality that it clearly exceeds the othersThey said people were starting to also abuse the downvotes, so the site owners' reaction was to start moderating these votes. If you disagreed with your rating, you could report it, and they alleged to also start checking
-1votes occasionally to see if the reaction was truly undesirable or just disagreed with. I don't know how often this actually resulted in voting rights being taken away, but that was the threat used.It seems to be effective, though I'm not deeply involved there so I can't pick up on subtle trends. The only wish I'd have is that you can vote positively (+1 or above) on direct replies (currently, you just can't vote on replies-to-you at all).
On Tildes I've noticed there's the Exemplary label as well as Malice and others. Haven't seen it used yet and haven't used it myself yet, though. Haven't yet seen something that made me reach for "exemplary" and I also haven't come across any of the negative categories. So I suppose Tildes kind of has this, but then there's also the votes system that seems to make these other things a bit useless.
The other labels interact with the votes system to determine how high up a comment is shown by default, so the votes system doesn't make it useless. The only one that doesn't do this is Malice afaik, which just serves as a way to report a post/comment to a mod (I think just Deimos atm).
And there have been instances of people getting their label privileges taken away for misusing them here, which sounds a lot like your tweakers example.
It's always interesting to hear different implementations on vote based forums. Thanks :)
Advertisers, especially the work-from-home sex workers. Nothing against them, but tired of seeing them in roast me threads, cosplay threads, and just about every darn post that has anything to do with pictures of people.
You've got to give them credit for managing to use their one line of work and reeling in punters though.
I think last week one of my favourite comic artists made it public that she also did adult content. I initially thought she meant cartoons on Patron but it turns out, no, the comic character was her and she was advertising that she did adult work of the photo/video style.
I'll just stick to her funny openly published comics though, that's what I wanted to see.
I thought it was nsfw comics she also made when I saw that! Actual sex work though, plus making comics? Huh, that's a combination I don't think I've seen before 😆
I think the funniest thing that had happened in a subreddit for a game was that a amateur pornstar had posted a picture of herself while cosplaying a character from that game. And everyone basically had said don't look at her posting history if you are underage or innocent. And of course the meme subreddit for that game had picked it up for a while.
That's all that comes to my mind at the moment, might edit to add more if needed.
The fact that reddit had two messaging systems—mail and… IMs?—was incredibly stupid. Only one was accessible on Apollo ("mail," I believe) so on the rare occasion I would look at reddit on the computer, I was always surprised to see I had unread messages. So frustrating, so inconsistent (or, to point, the quintessential reddit experience).
But wait, it gets worse! The instant messaging part is itself fractured into its current incarnation and the legacy one! And I only learned that there was a new one because I started getting spam from porn bots through it, which is the reason the linked screenshot isn't showing anything more.
Amazing. Bravo, reddit. Bravo.
I had an alt for talking about my career and helping other people in the related sub, and I constantly missed IMs because they didn’t show up on Apollo and I was toggling to check that alt from mobile most of the time. Apollo made it really easy to check alts by holding the profile Account icon at the bottom.
I get why they made the IM system. They built it so that you could have "Chats" in different subreddits, trying to keep users contained to their environment rather than everyone going to different discords for each sub. The implementation though was just so unbelievably, laughably bad that I have a total of 10 non-bot chats since it got started in 2020. And everyone still goes to discord for the live message community.
I'm on the fence with bots. Some were super helpful, like the wiki bot and the various lookup bots (lego and anime) and remind me and the bot rating bot, and some of the useless bots were decently clever like subreddit sim and haiku bot, but a lot of the novelty bots were irritating.
Subreddit Sim was actually made by Deimos, the guy who runs Tildes
There's an awesome bot in the chess beginner's community that will analyze the position of a game posted and then give the next best moves in a spoiler text.
We have talked about bots on tildes in the past. I think the conclusion was: if a bot is providing enough value to users, it should probably just be a built in feature of tildes. A built in feature has much more flexibility than a text only bot. That is why posts show the media type of the link, number of words in an article, and/or video time. That is something that bots would do on some subreddits.
On the r/Scams sub, which I am still nominally a mod of (though we're still blacked out), we had an automod bot that could be summoned to explain a list of common scams that people were worried about. It was quite useful, but in general bots and automod auto-responses are just noise.
Low effort memes and whatnot are definitely not going to be received well, but linking to an image is perfectly fine and allowed on Tildes. How else would I share on ~creative when I finish my next project?
To specify, I mean topics that are solely made of a title and an image hosted directly on Tildes, as Reddit allows you to do on their own platform. This would drive the storage requirements up to a probably unmanageable degree (images are so much more expensive to store than text), and possibly favor posting low effort content if you don't have to go through the trouble of uploading the image elsewhere first. I see no issue with having a link to an image in a text post or comment, though.
Do you know what Tildes philosophy on bots in general is? I’m new and your comment has me curious.
My account is actually newer than yours. From what I've seen so far, the consensus seems to be that bots are generally a nuisance, and that if any are considered to be a positive addition to the website, that they should be clearly marked as a bot.
Trying to create a new community by using tags does not seem like a good idea. Using hashtags for anything on twitter other than filtering for some live event ("tweet your pictures with #MetsPhotos so we can put them on the jumbotron").
If tildes is changing to be more like a city (where you interact with people of shared interests) than a village (where everyone knows everyone) which seems inevitable as it grows, people should be able to spontaneously create new communities and try to attract like-minded individuals to them. Maybe there needs to be some way of just weeding out and deleting inactive groups that never gained traction so they don't linger forever like subreddits do.
Interesting, I disagree on basically everything :o
Image posts, you mean being able to upload a picture as a submission? I loved that content in r/space when someone posted their amateur astrophotography pictures or so. What's not to like?
Subreddits are more than tags, also a way of moderating. In practice there weren't overlapping subreddits, but theoretically the community could just make their own and move over if they didn't like how r/whatever moderators operate.
If by IM you mean the chat function, yeah I don't get that. Why not use the existing messages system with a new UI? But I liked having private messages in general. Used a few times, such as when posting on r/blind a game I had made and someone needed to send me their address to ship it to.
Auto-responding bots really depends. A lot of them are obnoxious, but another set was useful or funny. I didn't mind the bot picking up dropped arms in ⁻_(:))_/⁻ smileys (the backslash needs doubling to show up, otherwise it's a special character), or the bot that points out when a random comment is a haiku, which is very occasional and therefore unexpected and funny, to me at least.
The only auto-responding bot I hate is this stupid automoderator that now has a sticky post at the top of literally every thread ever, like holy heck, can they not shut it up for even just one thread? So glad the redreader app could auto-collapse those; such a pain on RIF. Won't have to deal with that now anymore.
The tremendous amount of people who dedicate their online time just to be anonymous sassy assholes.
Also all of the violence. Reddit had a serious uptick in fights and super violent content getting to r/popular for a few years. It totally challenged my enjoyment of anything. At some point they allowed you to mute entire communities, but it feels very hands-off to addressing the issue of reddit providing a platform to violence and hate. Certain communities still grow and get through, too, so I'm never entirely relaxed there.
Also all of the memes that make no sense but they get to the top.
I had a roommate in college just up and dissappear at the start of finals week. No contact, no answering their phone, nothing. After about a day of no progress, I created a throwaway account and made a post on our local area subreddit.
One commenter takes this as an excuse to be an absolute anonymous sassy asshole. I can't recall the exact words, nor would I care to, but this prick decides it's a funny and appropriate idea to snark and shit on my roommate and me. In a move I now regret, I snarked back, when I really should have reported and moved on.
About a day after that, my roommate is found dead. It becomes a local news story, so someone else ends up posting about it to the local subreddit. Surprise, surprise, the commenter is back, and they ain't pumping the breaks on the snark train.
I really should have quit reddit forever after all that. This user had a handle that indicates they used to work at one of the major multinational companies with a presence in that local area. A professional, working adult saw someone posting about a missing loved one and decided to make light of it right to their face. It would be fine if this were an anomaly, but this is absolutely the sort of behavior the reddit environment selected for.
Jeez, I am so sorry about your roommate. That must have been an incredibly rough time.
That it was, I appreciate it.
That entire week was a whirlwind, because not only did I have a dead roommate, I turned 21 mere hours after learning they were dead, I still had my finals tests (those were graciously postponed, at least, but I still took them within a few days), and then I had an overseas school trip the following week to get ready for. But I made it through, finished school, paid off my loans, and I'm still here, which certainly counts for something.
Do you find that experiences like that feel surreal in retrospect, almost like they happened to someone else?
I wouldn't say so, at least in this instance. It quickly became a time were I really leaned into my personal relationships, and I think that helped ground me.
Ugh, totally agree. Places like r/fightporn or r/publicfreakout. I have absolutely no idea why so many hundreds of thousands, if not millions, seek out videos of middle schoolers fighting, or people at a gas station shouting at each other, etc. Distasteful and off putting to say the least. Just... yikes.
I suppose I can see the point of view that it's interesting when you have a martial arts background. And I also wholly agree that videos like the George Floyd one are incredibly important - I don't think I ever actually watched it though. I just really don't have the stomach for that stuff and I also filtered out boxing and MMA subreddits for the same reason.
I will occasionally look at r/combatfootage but I almost always regret it because of how brutal it is, I am very interested in military history though (like every amateur historian on the internet lol), so I get too curious to keep away. Don't get me wrong, I've absolutely seen my fair share of violent, disgusting crap on the internet but I try to refrain from seeking it out now. I think as I've gotten older, I have less and less of a stomach for this kind of stuff. The reason I made my comment about r/fightporn and r/publicfreakout is that it seems people seek it out for entertainment which I just honestly abhor that someone uses real world videos for the sake of fun or something
Was it r/PublicFreakout that hosted a lot of the breaking J6 footage as well? I don't remember exactly but I feel like I spent a big chunk of time watching the chaos from various shaky cams on one of those subs that day.
There was a fantastic comment here on tildes from about a week ago where someone was describing how we are inadvertently seeking out the things we dislike in some sick dopamine chase, and it really stuck with me that Reddit has become a battleground for ridicule, anger, spite, snark and sarcasm because of this drive we have developed. This paired with the media’s focus from clickbait being honed to almost exclusively rage-bait, and the internet, and Reddit in particular, has become volatile and vitriolic.
A company that does not clearly give a shit about it's user base.
More specifically, a company who prioritizes monetization of its user base over the values of the user base.
All of it, turns out. I'm realizing the only thing I actually miss is having something quick/low-effort to do when I'm bored. But there are other sites/apps or even hobbies to fill that void.
I was about to post a very similar comment. While I do get exposed to some news and ideas on Reddit that I might miss otherwise, it is far healthier to proactively look for these things via a web or library search rather than to stumble upon them randomly via a Reddit feed. I prefer putting effort into a lifestyle that involves purposefully seeking information to use rather than passively waiting for something interesting.
I'm sure there's much more, but that's what I got for now.
I'm honestly great with Tildes the way it is... I use both Reddit and Tildes, and I use them in different ways. Tildes is not Reddit the same way Twitter is not Tumblr and Imgur is not Instagram. Should there be a better Reddit? Yes, there should... but that's not Tildes, and in my opinion it shouldn't be.
It's a great lifeboat for people looking for a better Reddit, though, absolutely. And it's great if some/most/all want to stay as well.
The misinformation that could be spread even in ways you didn't think it would matter.
I was a moderator of a toy sub with a rather healthy community and the amount of misinformation that could spread was insane. There is no punishment for it and someone could be lured into a false sense of confidence over the amount of upvotes an answer has, even if it was completely wrong.
Absolutely and it’s only when one happens to have expertise or personal experience that it becomes glaringly obvious. Same happened to me.
Magic internet points, and their farmers. Also the bullshit power hierarchy and gamification that karma created.
I like the way the vote system here works, but I do have to admit to liking some kind of a vote system. Part of it is a need for validation, I suspect, but part of it is the normal need to not feel like you're being talked over and ignored at a gathering, just spewing words into an uncaring void.
Yes, I am good with votes, but I don't like counting all the votes and displaying the count for a user.
I like vote counting, actually. I've never "farmed" it by posting things, posing as a self-proclaimed unpopular opinion that actually everyone agrees with, or by reposting popular content or so. For me, it's a measure of how much I've been positively involved with the community. One accrues some almost no matter what one posts, so a high value is not merely an indicator of positivity, but it's a combination of involvement and being appreciated.
I can see how that also leads to farming behavior, but tbh the only thing in which I noticed a negative effect was re-post bots (and most of the time I hadn't seen the post before and it was only pointed out in the comments, so it wasn't even that negative for me). I always assumed this was an easy way to create accounts with good standing to then do malicious things later, but idk. One could combat those without getting rid of a karma system altogether, from my point of view.
Mean spirited people. People that are just out to downvote/argue just for the sake of doing it.
I also won’t miss the creeps that would try and slide into my DM’s…
Definitely something I noticed on Tildes is that the community is friendlier. I hope it stays this way as it encourages me to be a lot more active.
I am noticing that as well, and I’ve only been here for 5 days. Doesn’t seem nearly as likely for someone to, let’s say completely do a 180 on you.
For example I posted in r/socialskills or a similar sub about making more friends in your 30’s, and someone replied with a genuine, heartfelt response. It really felt like she understood where I was coming from. So I did the same, and said I was open to chatting and getting to know each other. Then she comes back at me saying I
was talking down and patronizing her, which… I read through my comment to this person several times and I was in no shape or form doing that. Just completely twisted my words around completely. Seemed like a real bait and switch.
I think I’m really going to like it here. Too often I was afraid to post or comment somewhere because of stuff like that.
Damn that sucks, sorry that happened to you. Kind of ironic it happened in r/socialskills…
Yeah I was really taken aback. It was strange it happened there.
Thing is, whatever they claimed I don’t even know how to do.
I honestly don’t see that happening here, everyone I’ve met on here so far have been wonderful.
I have noticed that a certain culture has developed on reddit, in which people routinely ascribe malice to innocent, polite comment replies, because they are so used to being shit on by fellow users.
I cannot count the number of times I have seen redditors receive a reply that completely agrees with and supports their comment, and somehow they assume the person is fighting with them. It's as if people cannot comprehend a positive reply if it doesn't explicitly begin with "Yes, I agree, and..."
Horrific moderation combined with the rule adopted my many subreddits to always assume good faith or be punished.
If moderators aren't going to police bad faith actors and comments, forcing everyone to assume good faith just breeds tons of anger and gets useful contributors banned while the bad faith people run wild.
I got banned from one of my favorite subreddits for nothing malicious, just some vague rule that other people broke all the time. I tried to plead my case, said I was always courteous and never attacked anyone, was always pleasant to other members. But I made one tiny mistake after like 3 years, and it was an instant ban, forever. And I saw other people do the same thing and were still posting.
Getting banned from subreddits with no option for recourse is such an absurd state of affairs. I linked to a nytimes article about Hasidim and public pools and got banned for being antisemitic. I'm like... my wife and kids are Jewish I'm the least antisemitic non-Jewish person in the world, I can't even share a nytimes article?
Mods have such a power trip. There should be a community review process you can undertake for getting reinstated or for getting power-tripping mods booted, like recalling a bad politician.
Absolutely. I feel like some subs do give you a chance for recourse, but some are so power hungry that any little infraction is an instaban, and that’s not fair. I wish there were more kind and thoughtful mods. I mean… not letting serious infractions go but you know what I mean. There’s got to be a balance.
I can’t believe that happened to you, though. I hope you’ve been treated a lot better on other subs.
I want to be clear that I don’t mean this in a snarky way to you OP because I can see there’s a lot of interest in these topics, but one thing I could happily live without is the constant comparison of Reddit to Tildes. I’m hoping that when the drama cools down a bit we don’t have so many of these threads that are about Reddit. I’d like to just forget about it and let it die off from my mind, tbh! I say this with full acknowledgement that I should just ignore the post and move on. Mea culpa (I just can’t help myself!)
Eh, it comes in waves. It'll be gone by end of next month after the apps have been dead a bit.
Then we do it one last time when old.reddit.com dies.
I see that (now). I meant this thread half as a reminder (let’s leave these things behind) and half as a sigh of relief (aren’t you glad…)
Its explosion in popularity. Id read a question and have direct experience and the answer and then see it already had 1000 replies. Why bother?
I hope Tildes never gets that big.
Oof I understand that feeling, though it’s already happened to me here. More of a reason to sort by new I suppose.
I love puns. Brevity is the soul of wit etc.
I like a well placed pun .. every once in a while.
Look at reddit - almost every news thread is filled with puns .. for pages.
Please, just ... no.
Sometimes I'll wonder why I even bother going into the comments knowing it'll be filled with people trying to make the funniest puns, jokes for karma. Or they'll recite the same memes, copypastas. Clogs up the whole thread. The example you put in your post is a good one. An article about an actor sexually assaulting minors and the comments are joking about it. Yikes.
Often you can know the top, most upvoted comment before even looking.
I’d sometimes play a game where I would guess the top comment, and then I’d only be allowed to scroll until I saw it. Usually my guess was top 3 and often number 1, which is when I realised I needed to leave that website
To be honest, my example was nto even abut that (I did not make that connectiuon).
Just the endless puns had me sooo annoyed.
I did not see this here.. and I hope the old redditors don't bring it over.
If I understand correctly, we can tag the comments with noise or joke and they will filter under the exemplary and relevant comments. Love that.
I love puns with the caveat that they’re used in the appropriate threads.
Puns in serious news threads that aren’t satirical aren’t a good look.
The misuse of the voting system. Most of us knew that when the site hit critical mass it would turn from voting based on relevance to a simple agree/disagree button. With the combative nature of many users on Reddit I caught myself starting to use it in the same way prompting me to stop voting up or down on anything. In doing so I found it much easier to detach emotions from interactions and control the kneejerk reactions I was starting to develop. Now it feels rather foreign to be using a voting system again here on Tildes.
I also wont miss all of the marketing astroturf on the gaming subs (/r/games & /r/pcgaming). Those subs in particular were mostly controlled by Turbostrider/Cloudsheep/MonolithOrchids/CoronaBeer51 and the other half-dozen accounts run by that team. There were very few organic posts there anymore.
Definitely won't miss the oversexualization of EVERYTHING. "Hey reddit DAE sexy sex when they sex?? Tee hee!" "AITA for sexing with sex?" and all the fake stories on all the subs that are just so weirdly, non-consensually exhibitionist and voyeuristic at the same time.
And all the subs named porn, space porn, art porn, history porn ... not everything has to be named "porn," it isn't pornography, please get a grip for god's sake. Can we have just one normal conversation about just ONE topic without using the word "porn"? In fact, I looked up some research on space exploration, and it turns out, it's not actually pornographic! Call me crazy, who knew??
It's all so pathologically hypersexualized and dysfunctional, and it's so insidious, so normalized and so embedded that you don't even notice.
I hate how even trueoffmychest and ask reddit became, "I just made my partner cum a million times by accident and I didn't even try" it read like shitty fiction. I definitely won't miss that.
Power-mad mods. They can all stay with power-mad u/spez.
Non-power-mad mods are certainly welcome here, however. As peers...
I was banned from Reddit for posting something pro-lgbt in the “wrong” sub. I appealed it and was reinstated. Then about every four months or so I was being banned again for the most basic and innocuous comments. It was so weird and periodic that I started to think I was on some mods shit list and was getting a ban hammer arbitrarily. I appealed and was reinstated I think 4 times. So weird. But then I did fuck up and got banned, maybe even by the same mod.
(I made a reference to a poem with the phrase “punch nazis” in thread about the clash in NYC between drag queens and far right extremists and was banned permanently for that though, appeal denied. I get it, I did break the rules that time. I’m not violent and don’t advocate violence. The only thing I won’t tolerate is intolerance.) anyway I’m rambling sorry your post got me thinking!
Edit: I missed the original thread and misread it. This is list of things I would want.
Things that I don't want, are:
etc.
I also saw some responses, and because I used old.reddit.com I didn't even realize those were a thing (also don't miss, because I never used them):
As for things that I like:
Downvotes are such an important part of filtering out bad content and why reddit, even with its problems, is so much more usable than facebook, twitter, and the other social networks.
I disagree...I feel that moderation and self-policing is best for that, and downvoting isn't self-policing. Someone who makes a bad comment need to either have it explained to them why that comment is bad (via self-policing) or be put in a time-out (via moderation.) All downvoting does is tell them what they said was unpopular.
Downvoting isn’t just a signal to the poster, it’s used by readers to filter out things they don’t want to see because as a community grows the bad apples problem will always get worse.
However, it's much more effective to actually address the issue than it is to hide it without comment. Because yes, hiding it helps this time, but only educating the poster (or, just as likely, filtering them out) helps in the long term.
I dunno I guess I’m just less black and white about it. I’ve seen some posters who give poor content in some areas and great content in others. I wouldn’t want to filter them out because I’d miss their good stuff but I like that the community can downvote bad content.
Honestly the only downside I see to downvotes is the occasional brigading that happens but I think the pros far outweigh the cons. Reddit was way better than other sites for a long time and I’m convinced downvoting is the single largest contributor to that.
Downvotes on Reddit have lost their content curation meaning when they became synonymous with a "dislike/disagree" button. I've had many seemingly innocuous comments get sent to oblivion, and I wouldn't know why because no one would actually talk to me about it.
If you disagree with someone's position, you can write a response and thus have a chance at a productive or enlightening conversation. If someone's contribution is breaking the established etiquette, you can let them know where they went against the grain. Assuming good faith from both parties, everyone can gain something from this interaction: the OP, the replier, and any subsequent readers of that exchange.
Downvoting dismisses that opportunity. It's similar in effect to a thought-terminating cliche because of how trivial it is to do. It doesn't provide useful feedback and an opportunity to grow, it just shuts the conversation down. It can also lead to the reinforcement of groupthink and the rise of the lowest common denominator contributions — exactly what we have seen happen on Reddit for years.
Consider it from the receiving side as well: would you prefer it if I simply downvoted your comment instead of taking my time to write out a reply? Would you gain anything from that downvote other than a sense of indignation? And if you say that that's not how downvotes should be used — I agree! But they can be, and so they will be.
As for the bad faith contributions, they shouldn't be downvoted — they should be reported and moderated accordingly, which we already have tools for.
If I went to a friend’s party and met someone I didn’t enjoy talking to I’d just mentally downvote them so I don’t spend much time talking to them in the future. I don’t mind that that person is at the party, presumably someone else liked them enough to invite them but that doesn’t mean I want to interact with them.
I don’t know maybe we need separate buttons to distinguish between agree/disagree and high effort/low effort posts. I think there’s a lot of ways to improve on the reddits model that shouldn’t depend on a poorly scalable solution like manual moderation.
As far as your disinformation comment those can be labelled as malice or noise by established users as will auto collapse for people arriving in the thread.
That's great when community is still small enough that admins can manage everything. I remember when reddit was like tildes.net today.
With disinformation though is that it is very subtle, and without knowing about subject it is very believable. And even if you know, you don't know if that person just made a common mistake. It's after seeing other comments you starting to see where he is going with it.
Most of Reddit honestly.
Puns, low effort, image posts, usernames that are there to purely get attention. Bots (those ones that try to correct people's spelling or whatever).
My least favorite bot is the metric conversion bot. "So and so football player ran an 80 yard touchdown" "80 yards is--" not the point in this situation. At all.
Low effort memes that can spammed everywhere and don't make sense and are just dumb if you don't "get it". Things like replacing the first letter of a word with the red B emoji even if the word didn't start with B.
With a lot of the replies in this thread, I wonder how come I didn't see any of that. This is one of them, maybe we are/were subscribed to very different subreddits? Could you name one or two where this was prevalent?
There were references being posted alright, but I didn't experience them as spam or everywhere, and they made sense most of the time (I didn't understand all, of course, but then you just collapse that subthread and move on). Probably once every couple dozen threads there'd be a random star wars, wheel of time, lord of the rings, game of thrones, etc. quote that fit in the situation and people kept adding replies in that theme, which I then found funny. Not sure if that's the kind you mean.
The karma bots, the human karma hoes posting random garbage just for the sake of fake internet fame, the endless trolling. I love how wholesome this community feels so far.
Oh, quite a few things!
Everything about the "redesign" that made everything look horrible and added half-baked features. Only old.reddit with RES made the UX bearable.
So many drama-optimized trash subreddits the spirit of which slowly infected other, originally much higher quality communities. The amount of times someone posted stuff in /r/rpg asking "AITA for telling my GM..." made me sick and narrow down which subreddits I would peruse more and more over time.
So many less-than-zero-effort memes and puns! There were like thirty puns in total on all of reddit and they were trotted out in every single thread without two grams of wit amongs all of it combined.
The combativeness on every given topic where people apparently enjoyed being contrarian or voicing "I will die on this hill" topics just for the hell of it. I blocked so many users over the years just to keep the useless noise to a minimum in order to get any valuable signal out of my time spent there.
Lastly, the shitty company behind the platform... although in hindsight this utterly atrocious and morally bancrupt behavior shown was probably just the nudge I needed to finally set off and never look back.
Reddit doesn't know whether it wants to be serious like StackOverflow or meme-y and chaotic like 4chan, so they try to have their cake and eat it too. If you ask how to take care of a spider infestation in your home, all of the comments will suggest in jest to commit arson. I have to admit, the r/AskReddit thread on attractive actresses with all of the answers being Danny DeVito was funny (IMO) but why can't those memes stay in their subreddits?
Also, the new Reddit corporate minimalist design is a scourge on the senses and hid the CSS designs of individual subreddits. The old.reddit design from 2005 gives the platform a sense of timelessness, like part of the wild west of the world wide web was preserved in this forum that should have died out by 2012.
The bots. I'm convinced half of the stupid one line jokes are bot comments. The scourge of bot rank and shit like that just annoy the shit out of me. Haiku bot just reposting other people's posts formatted slightly different, fuck that. Misspelling bots, get the fuck out.
All the fake posts for karma. It's hard to be proven but especially on r/amintheasshole and r/antiwork so many seemingly fake stories with a clickbait title..
Maybe they weren't all fake but after antiwork had its "drama" the only time i saw it in my feed was a screenshot of messages.. no articles or anything
Talking about reddit anywhere feels like I'm talking about a recent break up.
All the reposts and content stealing.
So many trolls even on small subreddits or local subreddits.
Hard to have an actual scientific conversation. Ex. The recent air pollution of the NE/Midwest states had a lot of misinformation. Had someone yell at me because I was using EPA definitions.
Low effort posts that were just tweets. I was an avid r/nba user and that place was so reactionary and bad.
Things I’ll miss
The dog piling and/or groupthink of most subreddits. Disagree with the echo chamber with a even a rational, polite thought and suddenly you’re downvoted into oblivion with most who respond taking whatever you stated as a personal attack. Walking on eggshells is never fun.
Agreed. I was attacked for replying with trade knowledge of how the industry works and get attacked. Odd for sure. But it makes me respect good scientific communicators even more. It’s a hard job translating niche info to the general pop.
Seeing complaints of down voting early on in a thread, but then when you get to the post theyre very much in the positives. Basically just too much worrying about initial reactions comments even though in big subs it was prob a lot of just bots etc.
Low effort photo posts/reposts taking over the frontpages of small subs, informational and interesting stuff just getting pushed back for whatever new benchy is trending.
Big events never making the subs you would expect very fast. Stuff like natural disasters or incidents youd have to go to like askreddit or something to find current info and never in the actual like news subs.
Here's what I don't miss and can definitely live without...
The comments here are so damn clean and on topic I'd forgotten what that was like. Not many places left where you can just assume 'human' when interacting with other users. It's been a long, long time since we all had that, I think.
Large echo chamber, too many useless features leading to unnecessary bloat, and stupid gag memes that got old fast (holy hell, new response dropped ; r/theydidthemath chain, etc). It was enjoyable for a bit but then it just became overused.
I will miss the meme posts though, mainly r/goodanimemes, r/omegachan, and r/politicalcompassmemes. I really hope that if/when Tildes begins image rollout, these subs appear here.
I have been weaning myself off of reddit but still find myself brainlessly pressing RIF when I'm bored. As soon as I see my homepage I realise there is nothing I would really like to read. It's all distraction, or memes, or things that i forget about as soon as I close the app.
I'd like to read more stuff of substance, when I'm not reading a book at least. maybe I'll look into setting up a RSS reader.
People shoehorning a topic into the comments which turns into a circle jerk, usually generational.
Users treating depression like it's a personality trait. Depression is serious, it impacts a lot of people, some seek therapy, some take meds or self medicate and deal with it in various ways. But holy hell you could throw a digital rock in any direction and hit 12 users who are clinically depressed...self-diagnosed of course.
And half of those depressed people were "cured" by getting outside and taking a walk twice a week, so obviously that's all it takes, right? Infuriating, especially when I'd read those threads while hopelessly cycling through various medications and therapies for severe treatment resistant depression. It made me have imposter syndrome for my own disease sometimes and wonder if there was anything actually wrong with me or if I was self-deluded like those other people and hyper exaggerating my own issues. (I wasn't, and fortunately eventually found tools that worked for me).
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As it turns out: Reddit. I thought I'd miss it much more than I have. I've had more enjoyment here in the past few days than I have there in a while.
Lazy, snarky one liners to try and win an argument. „Touch grass“ is the first one that comes to mind. Just the typical social media talk, that spilled over from Twitter at some point or God knows where from. I‘ve always hated it.
I can live without the low-effort content. I'll miss it; I do notice that I miss that few moments of "chilling out" on my phone with just random content. I'm not sure where to get that content elsewhere, because it's not like I was subscribed to popular subreddits. I'd see pictures of trees from /r/marijuanaenthusiasts (the forum about trees--the ones that grow out of the ground); discussions from /r/arborists that don't apply to me but interest me; plants that people want to have identified, giving me a little practice at identification; etc. (Though as an aside, since most photos are now on the Reddit server rather than Imgur, they load so slowly that I don't have the patience to wait for them to load, so I was kind of done with them, anyway.)
At some point I might look for other sources of that stuff, but at this point it actually feels like I'm better off without it. I read a parenting article on here a bit ago that discussed how content like this is like junk food, and that you feel like you want it even though it actually makes you feel worse. I think I'm experiencing that. I've given it up, because I'm happy to give the finger to Reddit if that's what it's going to come to, and I think it's better for me. Having only the high quality discussion seems better. I used to think I wanted a mix of that discussion with low-effort stuff, and I'm not sure I do anymore. This feels like a healthier media diet.
r/worldnews and it's blatant discourse manipulation and fake accounts
Honestly, the puns are what I miss most. Everything else that reddit did for me, Tildes does better. I mean reddit had more things for niche interests, but Tildes will get there in some way eventually, and personally, I like their philosophy and style, and am happy to wait.
But I always used reddit after a long day at work, right before bedtime. Sometimes I just need a laugh, and I like stupid puns.
I can live without that, and I'll go further to say what I'm happy to live without -- hate. Reddit is a hateful, sexist community, and it has always been sexist since the earliest of days. Back then, it was more of a niche Libertarian "rationalized" version of "acceptable" hate, but it grew into full Trumpian Nazi hate fast enough. I won't miss that.
Bots. Honestly, I think probably 30% of what's posted to reddit is bot activity. That's probably unavoidable anywhere nowadays, but I think Tildes's invite system protects against that and makes that easier to solve for.
I won't miss karma at all. I won't miss their way of managing (I remember Victoriagate). I would say I won't miss the memes and stuff, but honestly, I unsubbed from those subreddits long ago and never looked at /all, so I just never saw many memes.
I've just accepted that tildes provides to me 90% of what I liked about reddit and at a quality level 150% better than reddit provided it. I just need to go elsewhere for my comedy fix.
forwarding stupid tiktok videos. happens in most subs i've been to , sadly
I can totally live without Spez trying to use my eyeballs for his financial gain.
Yes, this is in ~tech.
As tildes used to be much smaller, subdivisions are few. Tags and filters do the job (for now?)
I will finally be a user again and not a moderator getting notifications all day. I will only come here if I like to and not because I think I have to clean up.
I think I'm content with leaving the millions of subscriber behind and maybe it was long overdue.
Overly aggressive interactions. Gratuitous hostility. 2000 downvotes because I disliked a movie. Being verbally assaulted for accidentally infringing a highly specific, unspoken, unwritten, non-intuitive, implicit social rule that only exists in that sub. On subs level, vague rules with overzealous enforcement. On site level, aspirational principles that are never enforced. Adults behaving like 12 year olds.
oh, the question was what can you live without
I really really really would love niche communities back because very often I do not care about the most mainstream aspects of any given hobby that are drowning out the smaller conversations in the catch-all subs.
But you just mentioned the terribly trashy meme-iness that I can totally do without. The amount of "that guy's friend's butt I 3D printed" posts made me lose faith in humanity.
I'm going to miss coin roll hunting and metal detecting and silver and gold subreddits
I bought a supported account on shroomery to make my own Treasure Hunting subforum
So if you want to post about coin roll hunting, ormetal detecting, or geo-caching, ormagnet fishing, or gold or silver bullion, check out my user created forum on shroomery, it currently has no traffic, but I hope to getsome soon
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/postlist.php/Board/345
Please re-read the title.
What can you live without?
I can live without the arguments, even if its a agree to disagree situation and the down votes, eveeytime ive been downvoted on reddit, and I'm not sure the reason why, I leave a child comment asking why I was downvoted, and then people start down voting the comment instead if actually explaing why
One thing I'm going to miss though is down voting double comments, I did it just for fun, if I see a double post, no matter what it is I upvote the first instance and down vote the second instance and watch dozens of people follow my lead
The stupidity of trying to be an end all be all repository for humanities idiocy.
I definitely do not want something like Reddit, otherwise I'd have stayed.